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[Maebe]

I found Nanami's execution was needlessly cruel shock value. I already didn't like despair arc but that blatant emotional manipulation really turned me off. They barely did anything with her character but use her as a plot device for Hinata-Izuru and the class. The fact that she immediately decided walking right into the palm of Junko's hands was a good idea it makes the whole thing silly.

This whole anime makes me think Kodaka really couldn't give less of a shit about the sdr2 cast now, that he just isn't motivated to do them justice again. They already had a great game. Even if I'm not fond of the new characters, when you compare the old ones to how the new cast members are treated, it seems the writers have a preference. Maybe the 77th class is just here for fanservice since they may not have gotten the whole fanbase to tune in otherwise.

edit I hate being at the top of the page oh god

 

[Permanently A]

I found Nanami's execution was needlessly cruel shock value. I already didn't like despair arc but that blatant emotional manipulation really turned me off. They barely did anything with her character but use her as a plot device for Hinata-Izuru and the class. The fact that she immediately decided walking right into the palm of Junko's hands was a good idea it makes the whole thing silly.

This whole anime makes me think Kodaka really couldn't give less of a shit about the sdr2 cast now, that he just isn't motivated to do them justice again. They already had a great game. Even if I'm not fond of the new characters, when you compare the old ones to how the new cast members are treated, it seems the writers have a preference. Maybe the 77th class is just here for fanservice since they may not have gotten the whole fanbase to tune in otherwise.

edit I hate being at the top of the page oh god

I was thinking about how else they could have actually told the story, and honestly I don't see how they could do it better. Breaking them down would be easy to show, but how do you logically link that to "now they serve junko forever and without question". I don't know if you could tell that story believably with one character, let alone 15. I think seeing that version would just as unsatisfying as MIND HACK.

 

[The Bankslammer]

one thing i've found really lacking about the violent scenes in DR3 compared to the games, ironically considering the brainwashing they're used for, is their entertainment value. the games make a point of executions being a spectacle, something to be looked forward to and enjoyed, rife with dark humor, all in contrast to the fact that they're killing off a character in the process. hell, we're even given the contents of unused executions, and fanmade executions exist, because they bring about this sense of curiosity, despite our not actually wanting to see these characters get killed (most of the time).

on the other hand, the student council killing game and chiaki's death just feel like i'm watching a snuff film. i don't want anything to do with that. executions in the games are interesting in how they captivate the player into deriving enjoyment out of a character's death, i think that could've been an interesting angle to explore in the anime as opposed to sheer explicit violence and brainwashing.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

From yesterday that I watched the episode:

despair 10

Sweeet so Juzo is gay after all. I admit I like Juzo more now than in the beginning of the series, but it's amazing to see the Reserve Course students laugh at him <3

Fuck you Mikan. Is that the DR1 elevator? Chisa STOP. "There isn't enough despair" Oh shit oh shit. It is the DR1 trial! Punishment time? Ohhhhhhh boy Izuru you better do something. Chiaki will totally die Chiaki totally die Chiaki will totally Chiaki will totally. CHIAKI STOP SAYING YOU WON'T LOSE GODDAMIT. Don't open the door, DON'T OPEN THE FRICKIN DOOR. sssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
She's still alive?!?! How?? Oh man that's her speech from DR2 right??? Noooooo don't say you still want to live goddamit stop trying to get up ugggh

fuck

today:
welp I spent the rest of the day reading DR2 manga to calm myself down but ohhh boy. I was seriously expecting Chiaki to be the mastermind of Future or at least be the head of the 13th branch but well this episode happened. I recognize how people can consider this Chiaki a Mary Sue due to her being liked by everybody, being the only who plans events like Chisa's party, making the group stay together, not having any serious "flaw", etc. but I still didn't want her to die. The fact that she still wanted to live and kept trying to get up hurt me, since most of the DR characters actually accept their death/fate. Plus if they wanted Chiaki to have that convo with Izuru at the end they shouldn't have made Chiaki suffer that much, I still can't believe she lived enough to say all of that to Izuru, unbelievable :/

 

[Red Frost]

Chiaki took all the attention away from the last episode, so I only just noticed how well done the scene with Juzo was as far as Junko's role goes.

See, now THAT'S manipulation. Making an actual joke out of his affections with a photoshopped picture, having students laugh at him to consolidate his sense of shame and further the illusion that it's "not okay", use language that reeks of subtle homophobia ("maiden in love"); these are all things that would be incredibly effective on a prideful man with something to hide in a society that still has wonky views on homosexuality as well as what it means for their continued friendship. I still think Juzo is 100% in the wrong here for getting taken in by it and kind of casts doubt on his ability to empathize considering this is after a school massacre, but it's still a human reaction.

Which brings me to my next point, Junko has still shown an impressive penchant for manipulation. The problem is all that manipulation comes down to people unwillingly doing her bidding. The only ones that willingly joined her cause were those with a predisposition toward despair, such as the sociopath Monaca or the completely insane Ted Chikatilo (assuming he wasn't brainwashed). For everyone else, she has to cheat.

So I do think I've eased up a bit on Junko's badass decay. Yeah it sucks that we've made her out to be some kind of crazy dark messiah that could make even the best people evil through her charisma while the reality is anything but, but thinking about it more I don't see it as such a massive downgrade that it completely ruins her character.

The brainwashing is still really fuckin dumb though.

 

[Funyarinpa]

I was thinking about how else they could have actually told the story, and honestly I don't see how they could do it better. Breaking them down would be easy to show, but how do you logically link that to "now they serve junko forever and without question". I don't know if you could tell that story believably with one character, let alone 15. I think seeing that version would just as unsatisfying as MIND HACK.

Insert Izuru into Class 77 from really early on, and let the 'converted' members of the class propagate despair. Let Junko interact with them individually outside of class and Hope's Peak, portray Class 77 as a class that isn't as sugary sweet or getting along as well as they do in Zetsubou-Hen. By the end, have all members of the class be rather restless and apprehensive around Junko- then have the final hit be the murder of Nanami, who should NOT have been as much a flawless emotional crutch right from the get go. Hell, making them witness the mass suicide of the Reserve Course could have served as a sufficient trigger without the need of a real life Nanami.

Couple smaller ideas:
-Nanami holds out from despair until seeing the suicide. Believing Hinata died along with the rest of the Reserves reverts her to Despair (would conflict with Izuru being present to Class 77 before, or at least Nanami's ability to recognize him, though). Her resistance against despair makes her status in the class go from "Great, lovable class rep!" to ostracization (hell, you could even squeeze in some interactions with Komaeda in there, seeing as he'd likely be another outcast).
-Kuzuryu receives photos of her dead sister anonymously from Junko.
-Mikan was actually bullied/ ostracized/ ignored by many people in Class 77 and not just casually so by Saionji.
-Don't let the EXACT SAME cliques form in the actual school life (Saionji pairs up with Ibuki instead for example, Nidai and Souda hit it off, Sonia and Mahiru are great friends with Twogami, Akane and Gundam do over-the-top shit together, Twogami and Akane like to compete on eating, etc.) and change up the Class 77 group dynamic.
-Infighting between the classmates. Teruteru tries to hit on Peko and riles up Kuzuryu, for instance).

If the DR2 cast was portrayed in a more complex, troubled and less sugary-sweet manner, I think Junko fucking them all up could have been done. No, not perfectly so, would still feel somewhat rushed, but I think it'd still be leaps and bounds above "The whole class is buddy-buddy but torture porn fucks them all up, at once, equally".

 

[The Silver]

I was thinking about how else they could have actually told the story, and honestly I don't see how they could do it better. Breaking them down would be easy to show, but how do you logically link that to "now they serve junko forever and without question". I don't know if you could tell that story believably with one character, let alone 15. I think seeing that version would just as unsatisfying as MIND HACK.

that's still a problem here, how does brainwashing someone into getting pleasure from despair turn them into zealous Junko fanatics? Why do they take orders? They never said anything about the videos having subliminal "love Junko" messages in them.

The Warriors of Hope already showed that Junko can in fact use pure charisma to bring over broken people to her side.

The answer to "why do they follow" Junko would have to be the "same" in both cases, they get broken down(brainwashing or they're already fucked like the WoH) then Junko pulls them in via her charisma. In the brainwashed people they must see her as Despair Jesus and the WoH was classic cult like indoctrination.


and this brainwashing is already as bad as mind hack, hell i prefer mind hack since it doesn't retroactively fuck things up.

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

Chiaki took all the attention away from the last episode, so I only just noticed how well done the scene with Juzo was as far as Junko's role goes.

See, now THAT'S manipulation. Making an actual joke out of his affections with a photoshopped picture, having students laugh at him to consolidate his sense of shame and further the illusion that it's "not okay", use language that reeks of subtle homophobia ("maiden in love"); these are all things that would be incredibly effective on a prideful man with something to hide in a society that still has wonky views on homosexuality as well as what it means for their continued friendship. I still think Juzo is 100% in the wrong here for getting taken in by it and kind of casts doubt on his ability to empathize considering this is after a school massacre, but it's still a human reaction.

That scene hit me like a ton of bricks. I was a lot more affected by that than I was Chiaki's torture and it made me rethink pretty much all of Juzo's earlier scenes in both Despair and Future. His character is one of the few things I think they did really well in the series, which is pretty funny when you consider how much I didn't like him at first. I also doubt I'd be able to stand up to Junko right then and there if I were him. He made the completely wrong decision, but like you said I can totally understand why he did that.

Insert Izuru into Class 77 from really early on, and let the 'converted' members of the class propagate despair. Let Junko interact with them individually outside of class and Hope's Peak, portray Class 77 as a class that isn't as sugary sweet or getting along as well as they do in Zetsubou-Hen. By the end, have all members of the class be rather restless and apprehensive around Junko- then have the final hit be the murder of Nanami, who should NOT have been as much a flawless emotional crutch right from the get go. Hell, making them witness the mass suicide of the Reserve Course could have served as a sufficient trigger without the need of a real life Nanami.

Couple smaller ideas:
-Nanami holds out from despair until seeing the suicide. Believing Hinata died along with the rest of the Reserves reverts her to Despair (would conflict with Izuru being present to Class 77 before, or at least Nanami's ability to recognize him, though). Her resistance against despair makes her status in the class go from "Great, lovable class rep!" to ostracization (hell, you could even squeeze in some interactions with Komaeda in there, seeing as he'd likely be another outcast).
-Kuzuryu receives photos of her dead sister anonymously from Junko.
-Mikan was actually bullied/ ostracized/ ignored by many people in Class 77 and not just casually so by Saionji.
-Don't let the EXACT SAME cliques form in the actual school life (Saionji pairs up with Ibuki instead for example, Nidai and Souda hit it off, Sonia and Mahiru are great friends with Twogami, Akane and Gundam do over-the-top shit together, Twogami and Akane like to compete on eating, etc.) and change up the Class 77 group dynamic.
-Infighting between the classmates. Teruteru tries to hit on Peko and riles up Kuzuryu, for instance).

If the DR2 cast was portrayed in a more complex, troubled and less sugary-sweet manner, I think Junko fucking them all up could have been done. No, not perfectly so, would still feel somewhat rushed, but I think it'd still be leaps and bounds above "The whole class is buddy-buddy but torture porn fucks them all up, at once, equally".

All very good suggestions, A+

 

[Maebe]

Insert Izuru into Class 77 from really early on, and let the 'converted' members of the class propagate despair. Let Junko interact with them individually outside of class and Hope's Peak, portray Class 77 as a class that isn't as sugary sweet or getting along as well as they do in Zetsubou-Hen. By the end, have all members of the class be rather restless and apprehensive around Junko- then have the final hit be the murder of Nanami, who should NOT have been as much a flawless emotional crutch right from the get go. Hell, making them witness the mass suicide of the Reserve Course could have served as a sufficient trigger without the need of a real life Nanami.

Couple smaller ideas:
-Nanami holds out from despair until seeing the suicide. Believing Hinata died along with the rest of the Reserves reverts her to Despair (would conflict with Izuru being present to Class 77 before, or at least Nanami's ability to recognize him, though). Her resistance against despair makes her status in the class go from "Great, lovable class rep!" to ostracization (hell, you could even squeeze in some interactions with Komaeda in there, seeing as he'd likely be another outcast).
-Kuzuryu receives photos of her dead sister anonymously from Junko.
-Mikan was actually bullied/ ostracized/ ignored by many people in Class 77 and not just casually so by Saionji.
-Don't let the EXACT SAME cliques form in the actual school life (Saionji pairs up with Ibuki instead for example, Nidai and Souda hit it off, Sonia and Mahiru are great friends with Twogami, Akane and Gundam do over-the-top shit together, Twogami and Akane like to compete on eating, etc.) and change up the Class 77 group dynamic.
-Infighting between the classmates. Teruteru tries to hit on Peko and riles up Kuzuryu, for instance).

If the DR2 cast was portrayed in a more complex, troubled and less sugary-sweet manner, I think Junko fucking them all up could have been done. No, not perfectly so, would still feel somewhat rushed, but I think it'd still be leaps and bounds above "The whole class is buddy-buddy but torture porn fucks them all up, at once, equally".

I like these ideas, especially the Mikan and cliques ones. I like her, but in the game she clearly suffered severe bullying and it's implied Junko was actually the first to show her "kindness" and value her. In the anime there's no indication of either feeling that way and her class treats her perfectly normally. There are a lot of issues in the backstories of multiple characters to cause schism and tension(like twilight syndrome could ruin multiple relationships at once, Junko has a lot of fodder to toy with)

 

[NeonZ]

Insert Izuru into Class 77 from really early on, and let the 'converted' members of the class propagate despair. Let Junko interact with them individually outside of class and Hope's Peak, portray Class 77 as a class that isn't as sugary sweet or getting along as well as they do in Zetsubou-Hen.

The main issue is that it had been previously established that they actually got along rather well at some point, with the impostor even revealing them his real face.

So, Junko would have to break up their bonds, turn them into nihilist sociopaths that want to destroy society in general (this first part actually could be done rather easily if you don't really have high standards since each one has a tragic backstory or flaw that can be exploited)... but also somehow keep them together as a group, even though, in order to fall, hating their school life likely would be one of the first parts. I think the later is the big issue here. If they aren't getting along anymore by the time they become despair, why would they then make a new group where they work together to spread despair to humanity?

 

[ScherzoPrime]

Curious, what's the overall temperature from the Fandom on DR3 as we near the end? On both sides of the Pacific I mean.

There does seem like a general sense of frustration and disappointment on the Anglophone side, as far as I can tell, but I'm curious if that's mirrored by the Japanese Fanbase.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Curious, what's the overall temperature from the Fandom on DR3 as we near the end? On both sides of the Pacific I mean.

There does seem like a general sense of frustration and disappointment on the Anglophone side, as far as I can tell, but I'm curious if that's mirrored by the Japanese Fanbase.

I think the reactions are pretty positive, which makes me wonder wtf people like about Danganronpa in the first place.

 

[The Silver]

The main issue is that it had been previously established that they actually got along rather well at some point, with the impostor even revealing them his real face.

So, Junko would have to break up their bonds, turn them into nihilist sociopaths that want to destroy society in general (this first part actually could be done rather easily if you don't really have high standards since each one has a tragic backstory or flaw that can be exploited)... but also somehow keep them together as a group, even though in order to fell hating their school life likely would be one of the first parts. I think the later is the big issue here. If they aren't getting along anymore by the time they become despair, why would they then make a new group where they work together to spread despair to humanity?

who ever said they had to like each other or even that they closely worked together,(for example despite Izuru being grouped in with the others it seems he never actually met them as Despairs) what tied Ultimate Despair was their love for Junko. How they feel about each other shouldn't mean much to a bunch of people so crazy they'd chop up Junko's body and implant parts of her unto them.

 

[Ganzlinger]

I thought the episode was pretty good. Chiaki's death was painful like it was supposed to be. Sakakura being gay was also pretty interesting.

And if you read Danganronpa Zero and IF, you'll understand how Junko is terrifying. It's a shame that DR3 couldn't make her like that, but it really made her look like a violent psychopath, even with pink blood.

I think Despair is pretty decent and Future is great, so I am in the minorty here that, overall, approves DR 3.

 

[Permanently A]

Insert Izuru into Class 77 from really early on, and let the 'converted' members of the class propagate despair. Let Junko interact with them individually outside of class and Hope's Peak, portray Class 77 as a class that isn't as sugary sweet or getting along as well as they do in Zetsubou-Hen. By the end, have all members of the class be rather restless and apprehensive around Junko- then have the final hit be the murder of Nanami, who should NOT have been as much a flawless emotional crutch right from the get go. Hell, making them witness the mass suicide of the Reserve Course could have served as a sufficient trigger without the need of a real life Nanami.

Couple smaller ideas:
-Nanami holds out from despair until seeing the suicide. Believing Hinata died along with the rest of the Reserves reverts her to Despair (would conflict with Izuru being present to Class 77 before, or at least Nanami's ability to recognize him, though). Her resistance against despair makes her status in the class go from "Great, lovable class rep!" to ostracization (hell, you could even squeeze in some interactions with Komaeda in there, seeing as he'd likely be another outcast).
-Kuzuryu receives photos of her dead sister anonymously from Junko.
-Mikan was actually bullied/ ostracized/ ignored by many people in Class 77 and not just casually so by Saionji.
-Don't let the EXACT SAME cliques form in the actual school life (Saionji pairs up with Ibuki instead for example, Nidai and Souda hit it off, Sonia and Mahiru are great friends with Twogami, Akane and Gundam do over-the-top shit together, Twogami and Akane like to compete on eating, etc.) and change up the Class 77 group dynamic.
-Infighting between the classmates. Teruteru tries to hit on Peko and riles up Kuzuryu, for instance).

If the DR2 cast was portrayed in a more complex, troubled and less sugary-sweet manner, I think Junko fucking them all up could have been done. No, not perfectly so, would still feel somewhat rushed, but I think it'd still be leaps and bounds above "The whole class is buddy-buddy but torture porn fucks them all up, at once, equally".

These are really interesting suggestions but not solving the problem I brought up. There are tons of ways for Junko to fuck class 77 up. The question is how does that then lead to them swearing fealty to Junko? How does them hating each other lead to them uniting under Junko's command?

 

[PaulBizkit]

I thought the episode was pretty good. Chiaki's death was painful like it was supposed to be. Sakakura being gay was also pretty interesting.

And if you read Danganronpa Zero and IF, you'll understand how Junko is terrifying. It's a shame that DR3 couldn't make her like that, but it really made her look like a violent psychopath, even with pink blood.

I think Despair is pretty decent and Future is great, so I am in the minorty here that, overall, approves DR 3.

She is powerful; i mean, she can kick ass fairly easily in fights and her plans flow organically (she does one thing that kickstarts chain of events that were all foreseen by her). Even herself says it to Ryouko "I have you all running around doing my work".

I think everybody should read Danganronpa Zero.

 

[Maebe]

Curious, what's the overall temperature from the Fandom on DR3 as we near the end? On both sides of the Pacific I mean.

There does seem like a general sense of frustration and disappointment on the Anglophone side, as far as I can tell, but I'm curious if that's mirrored by the Japanese Fanbase.

I've read JP fans have been complaining about the brainwashing as well, it nearly mirrors the west(but they seem more upset about Kirigiri's supposed death than anything else)

 

[Funyarinpa]

The main issue is that it had been previously established that they actually got along rather well at some point, with the impostor even revealing them his real face.

So, Junko would have to break up their bonds, turn them into nihilist sociopaths that want to destroy society in general (this first part actually could be done rather easily if you don't really have high standards since each one has a tragic backstory or flaw that can be exploited)... but also somehow keep them together as a group, even though, in order to fall, hating their school life likely would be one of the first parts. I think the later is the big issue here. If they aren't getting along anymore by the time they become despair, why would they then make a new group where they work together to spread despair to humanity?

Simple. Junko does not keep them together as Class 77. Junko, instead, binds them all to *her*. Class 77 doesn't obey her with any regard for the rest of their classmates. Hell, they might be working as a team solely because being around the rest of that class brings more despair to them or even more simply, because that's what Junko tells them to do.

These are really interesting suggestions but not solving the problem I brought up. There are tons of ways for Junko to fuck class 77 up. The question is how does that then lead to them swearing fealty to Junko? How does them hating each other lead to them uniting under Junko's command?

Wouldn't contact with Junko for a whole schoolyear be enough for her to use her charisma to slowly instill despair in their hearts? In the last Class Trials of both games, the cast comes to the verge of collapsing under Junko's pressure -in just about a couple hours of conversation, by the way- and in both cases are saved by one person (Naegi, and Hinata or Nanami respectively). Class 77 had no such person to save them from extended contact with Junko, no?

If there was a "final punch" of sorts, like the mass suicide for example, then it could be then and there that Junko pressures them into not just feeling and loving despair, but to serve her under its name.


The class getting along at one point should NOT have equaled everybody being buddy-buddy without no internal strife or conflict. Hell, even in the beginning of DR2 the class mutually antagonizes Komaeda (though that could be valid I guess, LOL), Saionji runs around insulting everyone, Mahiru acts all bossy to the boys and looks down on them. Keep in mind that these people have just met from their perspective- there's a ton of room to develop more intra-class relationships AND conflicts in a full schoolyear. Every high school classroom has people that don't really fit in.

Fully disregarding any DR3 characters while theorizing, by the way. This prequel should have revolved around Class 77 and not the Chisa-Narukami-Juzo trio. (Junko and Izuru were supposed to be introduced and developed anyways, so not counting those.)

 

[Permanently A]

honestly for me junko's "charisma" and "brainwashing video" are about on the same level. I've always found it incredibly hard to suspend my disbelief that junko was able to manipulate everyone and everything through her charisma alone. if her charisma is so powerful it lets her create loyal soldiers out of people that hate her, at that point its just a superpower and makoto had no business beating her when she was a well practiced manipulator and he was just a normal optimistic high schooler. I guess this is a case where I would rather the magician not reveal the trick.

 

[Funyarinpa]

honestly for me junko's "charisma" and "brainwashing video" are about on the same level. I've always found it incredibly hard to suspend my disbelief that junko was able to manipulate everyone and everything through her charisma alone. if her charisma is so powerful it lets her create loyal soldiers out of people that hate her, at that point its just a superpower and makoto had no business beating her when she was a well practiced manipulator and he was just a normal optimistic high schooler. I guess this is a case where I would rather the magician not reveal the trick.

I would agree that Junko's charisma and the whole "High schooler ends the fucking world" shtick is utter bullshit. It's just that I've gotten used to it after being beaten over the head by it in DR2, AE, Zero and DR3, and I'm trying to establish a somewhat sensible universe within those restrictions. Does the anime make Mitarai less of a superpower for despair? No. I find a person who can play to a person's individual weaknesses and circumstances, and manipulate them thus ever so slightly more believable than a video that treats every single viewer the same to the exact same effect.

 

[Gradon]

I remember viewing Junko's end of the world charisma as unbelievable when I first played DG1. It was one of those things that I just couldn't believe with her behaviour and I thought it was pretty bad. Regardless, in universe I thought she was a fascinating character for doing just that.

I honestly would've preferred if they kept with the unbelievable charisma as the reason she enslaved so many people though as that's the narrative we've been lead to believe since day 1.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Even with the brainwashing, Junko's charisma is still canon as Mukuro is bewitched by her. Mitarai was also helping her minutes after they met and sharing his techniques, trusting her (before knowing she was messed up). And Junko became the ultimate fashionista and a celebrity, while her true talent is the ultimate analyst. Perhaps that helps explain why everyone obeys her after they fall into despair.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

That picture of Chisa in future was cheesy as fuck lol.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Even with the brainwashing, Junko's charisma is still canon as Mukuro is bewitched by her. Mitarai was also helping her minutes after they met and sharing his techniques, trusting her (before knowing she was messed up). And Junko became the ultimate fashionista and a celebrity, while her true talent is the ultimate analyst. Perhaps that helps explain why everyone obeys her after they fall into despair.

All of this is headcanon and fan theory stuff. I care very little for these rationalizations in the context of the show that's actually being presented.

Plus we have no idea why Mukuro is obsessed with Junko. Maybe she was brainwashed too. I wouldn't attribute Mitarai's helping her to her charisma and more because I think 1. most Ultimates would like to show off their talent to anyone interested; 2. That's just how he is. It quickly turned to the part where he helped her simply because he was being explicitly threatened and he's weak-willed.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Plus we have no idea why Mukuro is obsessed with Junko.

Their relationship is explained in IF. She is the one who is under Junko's influence for the most, since birth. If she is able to make someone like Mukuro, a cold-blood psychopath Ultimate, her slave without brainwashing, she could probably gather a following in due time without Mitarai.

I wouldn't call this headcanon or fan theory because it is stated in Danganronpa 1 that she has strong charisma. The brainwashing video is not necessarily a retcon of that characteristic.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Their relationship is explained in IF. She is the one who is under Junko's influence for the most, since birth. If she is able to make someone like Mukuro, a cold-blood psychopath Ultimate, her slave without brainwashing, she could probably gather a following in due time without Mitarai.

But IF is not canon. And it was stated until now that Junko influences people to be her followers through persuasion, but that's clearly not the case as DR3 so gracefully demonstrates. There is no reason to believe that Mukuro's relationship with Junko couldn't go through a similar kind of retcon.

I wouldn't call this headcanon or fan theory because it is stated in Danganronpa 1 that she has strong charisma. The brainwashing video is not necessarily a retcon of that characteristic.

I'm saying that thinking about how Junko is supposed to be in other DR media does absolutely nothing for me and, evidently, many other people in the context of watching this anime. Going "it's okay that Junko is acting pretty lame in this show because she doesn't in the other stories" does not do anything for my enjoyment of DR3. They're going out of their way to flesh out the history of the Danganronpa universe explicitly; it's not fine to then justify its shortcomings because of implications for what we know comes next that aren't depicted, let alone even understated.

 

[Taruranto]

I found Nanami's execution was needlessly cruel shock value. I already didn't like despair arc but that blatant emotional manipulation really turned me off. They barely did anything with her character but use her as a plot device for Hinata-Izuru and the class. The fact that she immediately decided walking right into the palm of Junko's hands was a good idea it makes the whole thing silly.

I felt nothing toward Chiaki execution personally. Her character was basically made for that scene with the intent to manipulate the audience. She was a poorly developed waifu bait and it was so unsubtle that it almost became hilarious.

Her character in DR2 was already that (waifu bait, I mean), but at least the storyline redeemed itself when it when LOL, SHE NOT REAL and she provided a different perspective during the class trails.

Every week I was "Is time for Nanami to die? No? Maybe next week then..."

 

[Ganzlinger]

But IF is not canon. And it was stated until now that Junko influences people to be her followers through persuasion, but that's clearly not the case as DR3 so gracefully demonstrates. There is no reason to believe that Mukuro's relationship with Junko couldn't go through a similar kind of retcon.



I'm saying that thinking about how Junko is supposed to be in other DR media does absolutely nothing for me and, evidently, many other people in the context of watching this anime. Going "it's okay that Junko is acting pretty lame in this show because she doesn't in the other stories" does not do anything for my enjoyment of DR3. They're going out of their way to flesh out the history of the Danganronpa universe explicitly; it's not fine to then justify its shortcomings because of implications for what we know comes next that aren't depicted, let alone even understated.

Guess I'm more like Naegi, being optimistic and all.

 

[R_thanatos]

I finally gave in and watched despair 10

Juzo is an idiot, Junko still made such an effective plan given the constraints

Chiaki death was expected ... and i'm still mad i like chiaki as a character and nothing that was done in DR3 changed my perspective on her character ..i will hate you junko , untill the end of time and the universe for torturing her and killing her.

I wish a part of hinata woke up after that ending , i wish a retcon will happen and she will be saved .. i wish i could hope ....

FUCK

1 week i lose kigiri , the other i lose chiaki ( AGAIN ) ; curse this earth

This is all .

PS: Juzo , you're an idiot , i still don't know how he lost to junko in this situation i can't even muster to enjoy to his situation , it does explain his behavior in future very well , but i don't care

 

[Amani]

Future 11's tomorrow, getting close to the end of Mr. Komaeda's Wild Ride.

I don't care who's the mastermind at this point, if I don't get my Makoto and Hinata Dual You Got That Wrong point, then fuck this earth and everything it stands for.

 

[mrmickfran]

Finally caught up with the series.

I... want off this wild ride.

 

[Gradon]

Watch the mastermind be Junko's Ghost &#128514;

 

[The Silver]

Finally caught up with the series.

I... want off this wild ride.

welcome to ultimate despair, we have cookies

Spoiler

filled with Chiaki's brains

 

[Blood Diamonds]

The mastermind is Nagito being mind-controlled by Junko's hand.

 

[Taruranto]

The mastermind is Nagito being mind-controlled by Junko's hand.

Sure, why not?

 

[Gradon]

And the victims are all dying from FOXDIE. Holy shit I think we've worked it out guys!

 

[mrmickfran]

welcome to ultimate despair, we have cookies

Spoiler

filled Chiaki's brains

The first time I ever cried for an anime ;_;

LEAVE CHIAKI ALONE

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Okay, let me try this again:

Danganronpa Future 11:

1. Izuru Hinata's "badass" appearance.
2. Byakuya: "I'm okay guys."
3. Juzo: "I'm okay too."
4. Yasuhiro: "Hey, I'm in this anime too."
5. Attacker = Me. I did it.
6. Junko Enoshima.
7. Chiaki Nanami.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

Today's probably the day we get to see the mastermind, so expectations:

-Whatever Asahina says from the notebook is wrong/misleading.
-The remaining survivors somehow end up in a trial.
-Byakuya is alive/captured.
-Ryota's forbidden action is finally explained, probably the fact that he's commanding the brainwashing anime during the sleeping time like people said.
-Kyoko is alive too.
-Monokuma appears once again.
-Makoto and the others are at a moment of despair, until they hear a "SORE WA CHIGAU ZO!". Hajizuru (and probably the other survivors) finally appear on screen, but then the episode ends with a "To be Continued" because despair.

 

[PK Gaming]

Sure, why not?

At this point, I'd love if it that happened

Then we could get a fist fight between Hajime and Nagito

 

[MANUELF]

The mastermind should be revealed in less than 12 hours, who is it? Chisa, Chiaki, Nagito or Junko?

 

[Burbeting]

It would be pretty funny if Juzo was the mastermind, forced by someone.

 

[NEO0MJ]

I guess this is a case where I would rather the magician not reveal the trick.

Danganronpa in a nutshell.

At this point, I'd love if it that happened

Then we could get a fist fight between Hajime and Nagito

Isn't Nagito pretty weak physically? Though maybe Junko's arm gives him super powers. I mean, she's magic so why not?

 

[GSR]

Y'all ready for 20 minutes of stalling and 30 seconds of mastermind reveal

 

[FluxWaveZ]

The mastermind should be revealed in less than 12 hours, who is it? Chisa, Chiaki, Nagito or Junko?

Junko Enoshima

 

[Sky Interloper]

The mastermind should be revealed in less than 12 hours, who is it? Chisa, Chiaki, Nagito or Junko?

Either Junko or Nagito by a plot contrivance. Chisa has to be a misdirection.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Chisa Yukizome is the mastermind, she gained Junko's Ultimate Analyst talent after she replaced her own right leg with Junko's right leg.

 

[lazyproblems]

-Ryota's forbidden action is finally explained, probably the fact that he's commanding the brainwashing anime during the sleeping time like people said.

I'm not sure it's that insidious. Kyosuke should know all of the NG Codes. I know he had a massive hate boner for Makoto, but I'm not sure he would let something like that go.

The mastermind should be revealed in less than 12 hours, who is it? Chisa, Chiaki, Nagito or Junko?

I'd guess Chisa or Junko at this point. Chisa is definitely either the traitor/attacker or mastermind, I just can't forget about that theater scene.

I'm still leaning toward Chiaki being the 13th Branch leader.

 

[The Silver]

Y'all ready for 20 minutes of stalling and 30 seconds of mastermind reveal

It'll be all jabberwock stuff and the last second will cut back to Asahina then immediately go to credits before she says anything

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

The mastermind should be revealed in less than 12 hours, who is it? Chisa, Chiaki, Nagito or Junko?

I would like to say Nagito or Tengan, but it's probably Ryota or Chisa

I'm not sure it's that insidious. Kyosuke should know all of the NG Codes. I know he had a massive hate boner for Makoto, but I'm not sure he would let something like that go.

You're right, if Munakata knows about it but hasn't said anything then a) It's something not obvious that only Ryota recognizes b) it's not important at all lol
And I lost faith at Chiaki