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Danganronpa 3 The End of Hope's Peak Academy |OT| Nagito Komaeda's Wild Ride Part Two
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Who is the character in this series who shares the most profound wisdom? The usual uplifting platitudes from a Chiaki or Makoto don't count.
This tweet made me think of this:
I feel the "wise" character archetype might be one that hasn't been explored yet. I suppose it's natural when we're talking about a series mostly revolving around teenagers, but they are Ultimates. It'd be interesting to see V3 have a character like that who people can turn to for answers, but isn't simply "positive thinking" all the time.
This tweet made me think of this:
I feel the "wise" character archetype might be one that hasn't been explored yet. I suppose it's natural when we're talking about a series mostly revolving around teenagers, but they are Ultimates. It'd be interesting to see V3 have a character like that who people can turn to for answers, but isn't simply "positive thinking" all the time.
A Link to the Past
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Sakura was wise
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Who is the character in this series who shares the most profound wisdom? The usual uplifting platitudes from a Chiaki or Makoto don't count.
This tweet made me think of this:
I feel the "wise" character archetype might be one that hasn't been explored yet. I suppose it's natural when we're talking about a series mostly revolving around teenagers, but they are Ultimates. It'd be interesting to see V3 have a character like that who people can turn to for answers, but isn't simply "positive thinking" all the time.
Sakura
He didn't care all that much when Chisa was being brainwashed or the student council killings were happening right in front of him or Mukuro was killing random guards.
He doesn't care about humanity. He cares for one cute gamer girl.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Izuru pre-D10 maybe, but I think that Chiaki's death awoke feelings in him. Consider what Izuru in F6 was thinking - when he woke up, he probably felt a lot of despair, having witnessed Chiaki die for a second time.
I think what bugged me most about Chiaki's Punishment Time was... it was a cheating lose situation.
Chiaki of course was never meant to win, but beyond that in the games all the Punishment Times existed technically to "punish" those who did wrong, either by disrupting the mutual school life/trip, or (in terms of game over, albeit non-canon) the class accusing the wrong person.
Here... It was just Chiaki put on display to be slaughtered in front of her classmates.
Edit: Now that isn't to say Junko is unknown to cheating, considering she does that when she tries to setup Kyoko, but still.
Also I guess I'm bothered that it seems like this is still before DR/0, yet the whole trial grounds, etc, is in place, yet it was the end of DR/0 where Junko realized she needed to make the killings more of a game.
Chiaki of course was never meant to win, but beyond that in the games all the Punishment Times existed technically to "punish" those who did wrong, either by disrupting the mutual school life/trip, or (in terms of game over, albeit non-canon) the class accusing the wrong person.
Here... It was just Chiaki put on display to be slaughtered in front of her classmates.
Edit: Now that isn't to say Junko is unknown to cheating, considering she does that when she tries to setup Kyoko, but still.
Also I guess I'm bothered that it seems like this is still before DR/0, yet the whole trial grounds, etc, is in place, yet it was the end of DR/0 where Junko realized she needed to make the killings more of a game.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Its nothing but torture porn.
Yeah, basically.
mugurumakensei
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just because he cared doesnt mean he could do anything. he was broadcasted as the one responsible for killing the student council. Junko already had tow corp and the steering committee behind her. Junko had an army of brainwashed reserve course students. if he fought against her, Junko would have sent them against him. there would have likely been no scenario in which they didn't fight him to the death. I think it's unfair to say he was uncaring. More like, he was analyzing the situation as hopeless at that point in time mixed with curiosity about what Junko would do.
Who is the character in this series who shares the most profound wisdom? The usual uplifting platitudes from a Chiaki or Makoto don't count.
This tweet made me think of this:
I feel the "wise" character archetype might be one that hasn't been explored yet. I suppose it's natural when we're talking about a series mostly revolving around teenagers, but they are Ultimates. It'd be interesting to see V3 have a character like that who people can turn to for answers, but isn't simply "positive thinking" all the time.
Byakuya is a bit of hit and miss case, since even though that comment about not assuming others share your values is REALLY good, his shocking inability to understand the feelings of other people really held him back. Hell, even in DR2 he didn't "get" the feelings of the DR2 survivors and his harsh "orders" didn't help at all.
Honestly, I don't think any of the DR characters are particularly wise. They're teens so it's to be expected, but the DR characters in general are especially juvenile (probably due to the fact that their talents basically define them) and they haven't been able to grow as people. If you put a gun to my head, I'd probably go with Junko. She has a profoundly strong understanding of how people work and effortlessly runs circles around Makoto/Byakuya/Kyoko & the DR2 survivors.
RecRoulette
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I mean they're gonna bring back Junko (and probably Mukuro) anyway so fuck it. Go all out
Heh, that video. And the emphasis from the DR1 crew that Junko works by lulling people into a sense of despair by using her words. Brings me back to the common complaint of DR3.
ScherzoPrime
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Yeah like I said, I can't help but see Despair as a profoundly missed oppurtunity. I mean frankly, to do right by DR's backstory you'd probably have to do at least two cour, but even with the episodes it has, it's done a bad job focusing on a coherent narrative, and just overall feels kinda lame? There's no rhetorical punch to anything Junko does here, she's just magicking the world into despair because THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE.
Like I've been reading some of ANN's review recently and while I'm generally a forgiving reviewer personally I feel they've been way too fanboyish about how well the show has communicated its themes. I don't think the drawn out, inevitability of Chiaki's death epitomizes despair or whatever; it's just gratuitous for gratuity's sake. Which, obviously, has been a part of Danganronpa from the beginning, but I'd like o think its drama has had more weight to it.
Like I've been reading some of ANN's review recently and while I'm generally a forgiving reviewer personally I feel they've been way too fanboyish about how well the show has communicated its themes. I don't think the drawn out, inevitability of Chiaki's death epitomizes despair or whatever; it's just gratuitous for gratuity's sake. Which, obviously, has been a part of Danganronpa from the beginning, but I'd like o think its drama has had more weight to it.
I think Chiaki's Punishment Time scene would have the potential to be a really powerful scene in an alternate universe where the Despair arc was handled better but, as it is now, it unfortunately falls rather flat unless you're a huge fan of the character and it hurts you or something to watch it.
A scene like that should be really compelling to me, but it's a real failure that even I see it and just find it pretty weak in the larger context of the story, while kind of serviceable taken in isolation.
A scene like that should be really compelling to me, but it's a real failure that even I see it and just find it pretty weak in the larger context of the story, while kind of serviceable taken in isolation.
Sky Interloper
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DR, DR0 and DR2 are really Junko at her prime. I knew in my gut that it was imposible to get a dedicated story for the fall of the Despairs the moment it was confirmed to be 1 cour for both animes, but watching the contrast between sweet-talker Junko here and the brainwashing in DR3 is harsh.
They shouldn't have sold the Despair anime as the fall from grace of the 77th Class. It set unrealistic expectations for the time allotted to it.
It just felt flat.
From what I have seen, the reactions are really projecting their experience with the Chiaki AI character onto the scene, thus coloring it. But real Chiaki and the AI are different characters, so the scene really loses its weight when it is related to the sacrificial sue that Nanami was constructed to be in DR3. Yes, people can like the happy, hope-bringer nature of her in this anime, but the fact is that we lacked time to really develop her.
If Chiaki's role was rewritten for a new character with the same scenes it wouldn't have got anything close to the current reaction - I'd see it being closer to the shock of the Student Council Mutual Killing.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
so in the long run how utterly pointless was that fuyuhiko sister episode
I thought I would actually see some conflict between Mahiru and Fuyuhiko. Wasted potential tbh.
In the grander scheme of things, I suppose it had two purposes:
1. Represent the dissatisfaction of the Reserve Course from a closer perspective to then lead into the "parade."
2. I guess wrap that plot point up since it was a big deal in DR2, and since the Despair arc would naturally intersect with it.
At the time, obviously, it seemed like it would have been a far more important catalyst towards the downfall of class 77 than it was but, after his sister died and Mahiru's friend ate it as well, no one cared at all.
It was weird how seemingly quickly they made a dude like Fuyuhiko get over it.
Sky Interloper
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You could call the backgrounds of all the DR2 students that. The Twilight Syndrome case was simple fan service, besides some nodes to Hajime's arc and the Reserve Course at large.
It was the one thing we knew from their school life, so it had to be there or people would be complaining about it.
The Silver
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Now I actually think it makes sense for Chiaki to have a long drawn out torturous death since Junko's goal is to fill the rest of the cast with as much despair possible. The problem for me is I don't really care about this Chiaki, she was just boring.....in part because the rest of the cast got treated like a Persona 4 spinoff, once intersting characters reduced to their gimmicks and so Chiaki had nothing to really bounce off of besides Hajime.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
thats a pretty good comparison
lazyproblems
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Chiaki in DR3 is just so boring and lazy. She isn't interesting and I find it hard to care about her. She's not the AI, and making her be this perfect person they idolized felt silly and unearned.
Also, this is the just about the third or fourth week in a row with an extended torture porn scene. At this point it's really not that shocking anymore. If this was the first time they had a brutal scene I might've at least been more surprised, but it's hard to top the other more shocking scenes at this point.
I'm still amazed at how quickly they dropped that. Could've been great buildup. They could've even had a scene with the perfect class rep helping them persevere, but nothing.
Also, this is the just about the third or fourth week in a row with an extended torture porn scene. At this point it's really not that shocking anymore. If this was the first time they had a brutal scene I might've at least been more surprised, but it's hard to top the other more shocking scenes at this point.
I'm still amazed at how quickly they dropped that. Could've been great buildup. They could've even had a scene with the perfect class rep helping them persevere, but nothing.
Despair arc being limited to 11 episodes is what hurts it most. If it had twice the time to actually develop the relationships of Class 77, then there would be a lot more to care about.
Basically it seemed like it was banking on "Well you liked them from DR2, so since you already do we don't need to focus on developing them again", but unfortunately that's not good storytelling.
Basically it seemed like it was banking on "Well you liked them from DR2, so since you already do we don't need to focus on developing them again", but unfortunately that's not good storytelling.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Haha, remember when people were saying Despair was sogood.gif and Future was shit?
I was always on the "Future is better" side. I thought it had a strong opening while Despair was busy being slice-of-life lighthearted. Then Future hit a certain lull and Despair started picking up, so it got switched a bit for me. And now I'm down on both.
toastyToast
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Haha, remember when people were saying Despair was sogood.gif and Future was shit?
despair fell off a cliff but future has never gone past being just alright. junko's plan came together so fucking fast it was absurd. her initial ep made it seem there was a way more elaborate plan in motion. still junko > no junko
HeroInGreen
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The mastermind will be
Chisa and we'll like it.
AI
Ludger Kresnik
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Haha, remember when people were saying Despair was sogood.gif and Future was shit?
Yeeaaah, I was one of them. Future seemed to be really busy with pointless subplots, even more pointless action scenes, and repeatedly following the predictable pattern of killing off a character immediately after giving them any development or screentime. Despair seemed to be building up to something amazing, but it turned out to have been slowly crashing down from the very beginning.
I don't like either of them by now. Future could redeem itself partially with a satisfying finale, but Despair is completely and irreversibly fucked. imo DR3 was a wash and shouldn't have happened at all.
wait, what was the explanation?
Funyarinpa
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Wasn't it something like "his brain juice turned into the butter and his bones turned into the container"?
Then again I also remember someone claim that the whole thing was a reference to a legend or something of a cheetah that ran so fast it turned into butter, so *shrug*
BTW, OT but how did the DR2 cast overcome the restrictions of the NWP at the end of DR2? Was it createourownfuture.jpeg? Any explanation whatsoever for Chiaki appearing then and there? (Hajime guesses it might be his memories of Chiaki, but then dismisses it by saying "it doesn't matter".)
Ludger Kresnik
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It was all left really vague, if I recall correctly.
His brain juices became the butter while his skin and the rest of his liquified body was used to make the container. The electric shocks from the cage kept him conscious during the whole process.
Haha, remember when people were saying Despair was sogood.gif and Future was shit?
I was one of those peeps. Consider the crow ate.
Permanently A
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I wonder if we will get Chiaki back somehow or she's just dead for good. Like Hinata now has the memories of him watching Chiaki die when he could have saved her. That's gotta fuck him up. FeelsBadMan with a gun
Probably to continue the pink blood tradition the series has.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Oh it's definitely is going to be shown in episode 11, and it's going to be fucked up.
If they were going to do it, they'd have to completely skip Zero for it. I think the final episode might be focused on Izuru sort of "finding" himself. In Zero, we know he went missing but we're not sure what was going on with him.
We might get a montage of riots or something in the last few minutes though.
Ludger Kresnik
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So they could do the Asahina ketchup fakeout.
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