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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
- Thread starter LaunchpadMcQ
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Possibly? I actually still thought of Fran as scummy or at least borderline-scum at the end of Day 1 and seeing him be Hope and killed during the Night has thrown me off a bit. I am in the process of rereading Day 1 so I can re-asses my strategy going forward but it is definitely a strange development.
It can easily be the Mafia not wanting to focus in on someone who might be protected but with the news of this:
It could also be that they wanted to remove someone who could watch them if they move during the Night. Seeing as Fran's placement was near the Gym ( and by extension the Food Court as well ) it could be possible something might be going on there and they wanted to eliminate the possibility of being seen.
SalvaPot, I mentioned a few reasons for using my PR on Day 2 (besides my suspicion of Crab and loss of faith in his ability to guide us).
(1) I wanted Hopes to be aware of another power early in the game, and plan their future move accordingly.
Some of you have begun to wonder whether there is another Hope or Despair with the same power. Had I not revealed it today, I'm not sure if they could do so.
(2) It takes a lot of time to build a case for lynch. As you see from what's going on right now, I am not guaranteed to win the duel just because I initiated it.
(3) Without PR to worry about, I can put more effort into giving helpful discussions in the future days.
I do wish that you would take the time to critique the posts that I made for the duel instead of calling my move a dumb play.
If you disagreed with any of the parts of my analysis, you need to tell us where and why.
It is critical that we all think about what good Crab did for us on Day 1 and whether he is Hope or Despair. If there are posts that Crab made that makes your gut feeling trust him, you need to let us know.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
But if I were to target Salva or vice versa, what corridor would be used?
Same with you TL21xx, I'd really like you to take time to critique the posts that I made for the duel instead of calling my move a dumb play.
We all seem to be playing this game under the assumption we are all logical Hopes or logical Despairs, but we're not because we're human.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
In unique cases I'll make a decision on which route was used.
He was playing loud music at 3am, guy got what he deserved imo
It's only been 1 Night so only 1 Mafia kill. They might go after him on the next Night.
Hush now, you have no power here. Also I am pretty sure the gif is from buzzfeed.
careful posting jokes, people might think you're deflecting fellow mafia teammate
No offense taken, AbsolutBro. Thanks for going through them.
It's ok they change their opinion every 20 minutes anyway
I read through it all and it honestly sounded like you trying to convince yourself of going for crab was a good idea, since you used your turn. Its kind of like buying a new cereal and not liking it that much, but hey, since you already bought it might as well finish it, right?
As I said, I think crab is suspicious and I agree with a few of your arguments, but even then I think I´ll rather get you now and crab later, as simple as that.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Even worse.
Salva I don't understand that last part. Crab has had a lot of influence in the group so far, if you think he's Despair why would you let that continue?
No, I don´t think he is Despair, I think, again, he is suspicious.
See, in my mind there is a 50/50 chance Crab is despair and I don´t know his role.
Meanwhile, there is a 33/33/33 chance kgtrep is Despair, neutral or hope. So, that means, he is 66% not likely to be hope, AND if his role is already in the open, there is no point to his role. Also, I don´t like the way he forced the second day into a U.S. President Election day, what if I want to vote for Jim Carry? Oh, thats right, I can´t, because he is not on the ballot and because it would be a waste of a vote.
This is going to sound weird, but I honestly don´t care right now if crab is hope or despair, I just don´t care, I care more about what alignment kgtrep has and how his role works exactly, so I want that info... so I want him dead.
Oh, and crap doesn´t have as much influence as your guys think he does, in that you can call kgtrep move successful, it´ll be foolish to trust crab from now on, either despair gets him this night since he is very veeery likely to be a PR, or we get him in the next two days since, if kgtrep dies and reveals to be a good role, then we will feel kind of guilty about it and would want to grant his wish.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
A likely story.
ok I'm going to lay off Salva, my interest in him is starting to look unnatural lol
I'm not sure what franconp said on Day 1 that would have triggered Despair.
But there is always the possibility that they wanted us to go in circles on Day 2 looking at someone innocuous.
Of course, they did not expect my PR to happen and our conversation topic to be mostly about me vs. Crab.
But there is always the possibility that they wanted us to go in circles on Day 2 looking at someone innocuous.
Of course, they did not expect my PR to happen and our conversation topic to be mostly about me vs. Crab.
CornBurrito
Member
My opinion on CzarTim has not changed.
CornBurrito
Member
If, after all the posts that Crab and I made, you believe that the odds for our alignment are in 1:1 or 1:1:1 ratio, then you really did not consider our posts and are relying on your prejudgment of us.
I have already told everyone what my alignment is, what power is, so there is nothing to be gained by lynching me today.
On the other hand, Crab's alignment and power are uncertain, and those who believe Crab is Hope have yet to show evidence (show us his posts) that he is.
It is much easier to kill me than Crab on Day 3.
CornBurrito
Member
Are you saying that isn't a legit strategy? It's unthinkable that someone could use humor in the way I described to do what I described?
You told me your power and alignment but you could be lying. Crab told us his alignment too, but again, he could be lying.
It really is up to who I think is going to be MORE USEFUL for town later on. You are clearly not, since you already used your role, and since your role raises its own questions I´ll rather have those solved and focus on crab later.
Because if you are hope, then you are playing awful. Again, I think lynching either one of you is a bad idea, but getting you now seems better to me.
Once again I've posted far more reads and as opinions than most players have. If you have any actual question about any of those I will gladly answer you. However it feels like you are focusing on the players posting the most because you keep seeing their name pop up. If I am scum, you will catch me in an inconsistency eventually because playing a consistent scum game as a top poster is Damn near impossible. I can't respond to "he's deflecting" when there's nothing for me to deflect.
sandalphon
Member
I may have worded it badly, but what I meant was that I do not like this mechanic where Hope is forced to choose between two candidates for lynching instead of the full pool of suspects.
Clearly, efforts-wise, it is unfeasible for most players to launch a full-scale attack as you have done here. However, arguing that your power is unlikely to be re-employed due to the amount of efforts that would have to go to it is not quite reassuring as removing that ability from the board entirely.
And bolded parts reads really self-important.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Kgtrep, my vote isn't against you. My vote is for crab. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's how I'm going about today
CornBurrito
Member
Fair enough. I wouldn't vote for you D3 for what it's worth.
I'm sorry that you don't like this PR, but that is something you need to address to LaunchpadMcQ, not me.
I imagine that we knew when we had signed up for amafia that there would be unconventional PRs. You have to accept the rules that a gamemaster set.
I was trying to say that, despite my not having PR anymore, there is still reason for Despair to lynch me during the night. I did not mean to convey that I was more useful than any others over the past week.
No problem.
sandalphon
Member
My comment is in-game, not towards the design. I mean to say, I would rather that we remove this role, and by extension, the player that wields it, from the current flow. That is why I am voting for you.
I reiterate: I believe Crab will be a more valuable Hope player.
Just to be clear I want you to push and pursue people you find suspicious even if that's me. Asking questions and gauging reactions are a big part of reading people. So I think you're doing okay in that regard, and I know I come off as an ass, that's just how I play.
How about who is going to be more harmful later? If Crab is Despair, that's a heck of a lot worse than if kgtrep is Despair or neutral.
Ok, that's a fair reason for voting for me.
I want to know, though, why do you believe that Crab is Hope? I can't seem to find posts as evidence from people who believe such, only gut feeling.
I town read kg and crab, with crab I'm a little less sure but still mostly town. So this next part will sound shitty but I'd rather crab in the game tomorrow. Completely setting aside either player's history, experience, or skill, I think it's the best choice right now given the situation.
However TB made a good point earlier in that if we are just going to spend all day every day talking about crab, it'd be better just cut him loose now and move on. I'm not saying crab should never be on the chopping block again, but I do expect those of you tunneling on crab to at least give other reads and talk about some other people if he's in the game.
However TB made a good point earlier in that if we are just going to spend all day every day talking about crab, it'd be better just cut him loose now and move on. I'm not saying crab should never be on the chopping block again, but I do expect those of you tunneling on crab to at least give other reads and talk about some other people if he's in the game.
Yes, but that is only IF crab is despair, if he is hope and his role is important, then lynching now is a waste.
Either way, my mind is set on getting kgtrep.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I welcome questions via PM. Just throwing that out there.
No, that is bullshit, you ask here like a man or a bear or a manbear.
Or a lady or a bear or a ladybear.
Or a genderless bear.
Crab wants us to believe he is an Ordinary Student. He has said "optimal play" for a power role is to hide in the middle of the pack, not posting too much or too little. He is the #2 poster, so he is not following his own advice if he is a Hope power role.
AbsolutBro
Member
No need to apologize, that's just the way the game is played. Happy to assuage your fears re: Rest and all that.
I think the bold "what you do isn't as important as how you get there" in the post with the map has finally sunk in for a few players.
nah man, it's totally me, czar. I killed Franconp, you should totally lynch me D3.
Anyway, moving off of Crab/KG again for a minute:
We should all think about D3, since one of us isn't going to get there. I'm holding my vote until the end specifically so we have time to discuss this. The more we get our suspicions out there, the more we have to work with when, invariably, one (or more!) of us dies.
...what exactly made you believe his an ordinary student? Where or when did he say that? Honest question, since all this time I have seen him soft-claim a minor hope PR.
AbsolutBro
Member
I do not think he is an Ordinary Student. Crab is scum. Anyway, CornBurrito postulated that I was an investigatory role. Crab said this was unlikely because I was acting too differently from everybody else (insisting on No Punishment).
If he is a Hope power role, he is not following his own advice. His postcount is far above average. He is much more aggressive than typical - both in accusations and even personal attacks. He clearly has a low opinion of many of the other players - if you don't do what he suggests, you are an imbecile. Definitely drawing attention to himself. Crab also breaks his advice as Mafia, but Crab is arrogant enough to think he will get away with it. Are you guys not seeing the manipulation? I won't be surprised if kgtrep loses the duel with Crab "reluctantly staying in the game for the good of town."
He even admits it.
Deception is the calling card of Despair, which is why Lynch All Liars is a reliable Hope strategy. Lying as Hope is detrimental with few exceptions.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Day Phase 2 ends in:
Current Vote Count:
11 Votes Needed for a Majority
Crab (6)
kgtrep
CornBurrito
*Splinter
Rest
Makai
Terrabyte20xx
kgtrep (6)
CzarTim
SalvaPot
goshujinsama
TL21xx
Zippedpinhead
Pau
Current Vote Count:
11 Votes Needed for a Majority
Crab (6)
kgtrep
CornBurrito
*Splinter
Rest
Makai
Terrabyte20xx
kgtrep (6)
CzarTim
SalvaPot
goshujinsama
TL21xx
Zippedpinhead
Pau