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[sandalphon]

Ok, that's a fair reason for voting for me.

I want to know, though, why do you believe that Crab is Hope? I can't seem to find posts as evidence from people who believe such, only gut feeling.

I don't think there are enough concrete evidence by D2, but his perspectives come across consistent and Hope-aligned to me. He even would put his own life on the line (by voting himself) if he thinks the information would gather Hope a valuable insight. I feel that his frustrations are genuinely caused by his desire to advance Hope's agenda.

To be fair, I also think you are Hope-aligned, or Neutral. I do not see Despair coming from either of you. This situation is really unfortunate, in my opinion.

 

[Makai]

So, kgtrep's initial posts today were rightfully ignored for being the workings of a crazy person, but he did a really good job of laying out his case in Scene02 and Scene03.

This is what you "both are Hope"-ers need to respond to. Crab is clearly scum.

 

[CornBurrito]

...what exactly made you believe his an ordinary student? Where or when did he say that? Honest question, since all this time I have seen him soft-claim a minor hope PR.

No he wasn't soft claiming a minor hope PR.

His "willing to role claim" comment was poking fun at how many people have role claimed this game.

 

[CornBurrito]

As for other people I am suspicious of: I truly have nothing. No gut feelings about anyone other than Czar and Crab. Like... Maybe Pau. She is super quiet but just jumps on bandwagons with fairly mild reasoning. That's super high school level blending in. And then a bunch of people haven't posted today. Why? Busy? They have four days to say shit. Where's swamped? Where's rest? Where's Vivi?

Crab, CzarTim, what do you think of Pau?

 

[kingkitty]

alright, now I can concentrate a little bit on this thread, until I pass out in a few minutes. So this has been said already, but I believe it was a mistake to use this role so early on. But hey it's your power, your choice.

A part of me thinks it's better to kill off Crab because kgtrep seems like hope. My gut tells me his role would be pretty bleh if it was for despair. And doing it this early, where it could easily backfire...wouldn't seem like a smart move from despair. But maybe despair are dumbfucks? Nah.

So...I guess I should totally vote Crab. He's more of an unknown to me compared to kgtrep, and well, we can only vote between these two.

Buuut

vote: kgtrep

Crab brings a lot of crab spunk to the game that I find amusing. I'm not going to pretend I have a better reason, my heart says they're both okay. If Crab was despair, my belly thinks it would've been too dicey for him to stick his neck out, poking so boldly in the first day. But hey I've never played with him before.

Czar seems to have a lot of faith in Crab as well. Hopefully it isn't a secret mafia kind of faith. That would be a downer, I guess.

Regardless, crab + kgtrep have shown some eagerness to prod people. Maybe Crab poked Makai a little too much. And maybe Makai role claimed too soon. Although to be fair, he was apparently busy with work, which is understandable.

And over here in the corner we got kgtrep making graphs, cards, and shit. Neat stuff. It's a shame one of you has to be skinned alive, but this situation was forced upon us.

 

[CornBurrito]

alright, now I can concentrate a little bit on this thread, until I pass out in a few minutes. So this has been said already, but I believe it was a mistake to use this role so early on. But hey it's your power, your choice.

A part of me thinks it's better to kill off Crab because kgtrep seems like hope. My gut tells me his role would be pretty bleh if it was for despair. And doing it this early, where it could easily backfire...wouldn't seem like a smart move from despair. But maybe despair are dumbfucks? Nah.

So...I guess I should totally vote Crab. He's more of an unknown to me compared to kgtrep, and well, we can only vote between these two.

Buuut

vote: kgtrep

Crab brings a lot of crab spunk to the game that I find amusing. I'm not going to pretend I have a better reason, my heart says they're both okay. If Crab was despair, my belly thinks it would've been too dicey for him to stick his neck out, poking so boldly in the first day. But hey I've never played with him before.

Czar seems to have a lot of faith in Crab as well. Hopefully it isn't a secret mafia kind of faith. That would be a downer, I guess.

Regardless, crab + kgtrep have shown some eagerness to prod people. Maybe Crab poked Makai a little too much. And maybe Makai role claimed too soon. Although to be fair, he was apparently busy with work, which is understandable.

And over here in the corner we got kgtrep making graphs, cards, and shit. Neat stuff. It's a shame one of you has to be skinned alive, but this situation was forced upon us.

Like could you maybe discuss any of the evidence kgtrep posted at all? You seem to ignore it all in favor of "it amuses me" and this plus your actions on Day1 almost make me think you don't give a shit who wins. Which is bad for Hope regardless of which team you are on.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Like could you maybe discuss any of the evidence kgtrep posted at all? You seem to ignore it all in favor of "it amuses me" and this plus your actions on Day1 almost make me think you don't give a shit who wins. Which is bad for Hope regardless of which team you are on.

CornBurrito

At least for me I find "scene 1" and "scene 3" circumstantial at best, scene 2 poses some legit questions, but ultimately I have to go with my gut.

Kgtrep,

I, personally, would not have used this power here, however I can't fault you for trying to make a big play. I do think your hope, the problem is I think crab is too. Since you have used your power I feel that crab poses more "potential" since he hasn't revealed anything yet.

That being said, my biggest worry is that whoever lives today dies tonight after all this mess anyway.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

That being said, my biggest worry is that whoever lives today dies tonight after all this mess anyway.

That's not going to happen, whoever comes out of this alive is going to become a walking ball of suspicion, so they wouldn't waste the night kill when they could easily vote him out 2-3 day phases from now.

 

[CornBurrito]

CornBurrito

At least for me I find "scene 1" and "scene 3" circumstantial at best, scene 2 poses some legit questions, but ultimately I have to go with my gut.

Fair enough, but I'd like to hear kingkitty's thoughts.

 

[*Splinter]

We should definitely talk about something else if no one is going to properly talk about Crab.

 

[SalvaPot]

We should definitely talk about something else if no one is going to properly talk about Crab.

Good idea.

 

[*Splinter]

Good idea.

Ok Salva, you've mentioned vague suspicions of kg and Crab, who else are you suspicious of now?

With reasons, if possible

 

[SalvaPot]

Ok Salva, you've mentioned vague suspicions of kg and Crab, who else are you suspicious of now?

With reasons, if possible

Nah, It was your idea, I think you should be the one that has to talk about something.

 

[*Splinter]

Nah, It was your idea, I think you should be the one that has to talk about something.

Sure why not

Terrabyte I was suspicious of yesterday, and today he's been even weirder. Agreeing with Crab on everything, voting he does, says he'll change right after Crab unvotes. I don't know what his game is.

Kalor I pointed out recently was literally invisible yesterday. That's not a suspicion on its own but TWICE now Crab has lied (by omission) to cover him (bandwagons and voteless). If Crab is indeed Despair then Kalor would have to be next on my list.

CornBurrito I want to make a longer post on when I have time, but I'm not impressed by his constant flip flopping opinions and sheepish attacks.

Finally, and I'm sorry if this is too related to Crab, I'm annoyed that there is so many people refusing to discuss evidence against Crab. There is so many now that I have no way of knowing which ones to be suspicious of. Most of you wont even accuse kgtrep, but vote for him anyway.

I mean, I've stated or at least alluded to all of these points today, but sure I'll repeat them for you.

 

[AbsolutBro]

Where's swamped?

I just wanted to let Launchpad know that I will be away from the 8th to the 11th. Tahoe doesn't have great reception but I'm hoping the house we're staying in has wifi so I will try to check in for the second day phase, but things will be pretty busy. I'm sorry everyone! For multiple reasons!

Swamped is on vacation it seems? She will be back tomorrow, so as long as we keep discussing things she can weigh in when she gets back.

Don't remember anyone else saying anything; hopefully the tone of the thread didn't scare people off.

 

[ViviOggi]

So firstly my thoughts on our little duel here:

- Crab: He changed his approach compared to Day 1 pretty significantly, he stopped talking about how Mafia should be played all the time and has gotten a lot more involved in the discussion of our game at hand. Having become a major target of suspicion over the final hours he kind of has to do this, but it's also consistent with his response much earlier when I questioned the "meta-ness" of his posts (#710). That's a point for Hope imo. One could argue that he's a Mafia mastermind and posted that to cover his ass later on but like others before I've come to the conclusion that focusing on specific player's perceived skill only serves to cloud our judgment of their actual posts here - so I want to urge those who emphasized trusting him to also reconsider their expectations. While I've been somewhat coming around to Crab being Hope there's no reason to trust any player at this point.

That being said I noticed that you've had a number of outbursts lately, Crab. When called out by CornBurrito you quickly made a markedly out-of-character post (#1396) and soon reminded us that emotions on display aren't necessarily what people are actually feeling (#1502). Since you've stressed yourself that you're playing a character could you tell me what you're hoping to gain by repeatedly lashing out like this as a Hope player?

- kgtrep: Well, he's clearly done his homework and I'm hoping to find the time to go back to his initial case against Crab later. I'm pretty sure he's Hope going by his recent posts, on the other hand I don't remember much from him on Day 1.

Would someone who thinks he's neutral mind explaining how that would work in their minds? If his role is in fact neutral then what's his win condition, especially if he's telling the truth about his power being one-use?


So I see no reason to vote right now, the ongoing duel forces kgtrep and Crab to make a case for themselves anyway and I'd rather look at the entirety of their contributions again tomorrow than get closer to turboing someone. Ending this day early with no significant information on other players is literally the worst thing we could do.

 

[ViviOggi]

- Zippedpinhead: When making decisions he keeps stressing how he's going with his gut (#544, #967, #1607) when in reality he always mirrors someone else's thoughts, mainly Crab's. He voted for me for being scummy after Crab had called me scummy, quickly switched to Terrabyte (which iirc had been suspected by Crab earlier), and then switched to Barrylocke (who had been suspected by Crab as well). Gave broader reads only when prompted to do so (#1022, but has made some good contributions on Day 2. Still a lot of your posts seem born from necessity rather than actually being invested in Hope's well-being.

- AbsolutBro: After being extremely quit at the start he's recently made it a point to address multiple posts and give his thoughts on a variety of topics when he finds the time, has presented some solid observations and new perspectives. Comes across as very genuine to me, right now I'm convinced that he's Hope.

- CornBurrito: Indeed flip-flops around a bit but I read his behavior as trying to help Hope as much as possible and cover multiple angles at all times. Not afraid of having a go at the big guys and always listens to people's arguments. Clumsy Hope (like myself

)

 

[Kalor]

Kalor I pointed out recently was literally invisible yesterday. That's not a suspicion on its own but TWICE now Crab has lied (by omission) to cover him (bandwagons and voteless). If Crab is indeed Despair then Kalor would have to be next on my list.

I was busy yesterday so that's I didn't post that much yesterday. I'm not going to say much on this right now since suspicion is healthy and I have been flying under the radar up until some people realized that recently.

If I was to vote right now I would vote for kgtrep but I've been going between the two a lot. I think both are Hope but there is a lot of evidence against Crab in kgtreps posts and I can't really argue with any of it. The reason I'm not voting yet is because I want to be sure of my choice and not be changing between the two.

 

[*Splinter]

Thank you Vivi, that's the best argument I've seen in Veab's defense so far. I don't come to the same conclusion as you (I feel he had no choice but to change tack, and I'm more concerned with the later attacks and especially that comment you highlighted about it being an act), but nonetheless that's a fair explanation of trust in Crab.

I was busy yesterday so that's I didn't post that much yesterday. I'm not going to say much on this right now since suspicion is healthy and I have been flying under the radar up until some people realized that recently.

If I was to vote right now I would vote for kgtrep but I've been going between the two a lot. I think both are Hope but there is a lot of evidence against Crab in kgtreps posts and I can't really argue with any of it. The reason I'm not voting yet is because I want to be sure of my choice and not be changing between the two.

To be fair to you Kalor I have very little reason to suspect you on your own. "No one accusing you" is a pretty weak reason to be actively suspicious of someone (except in the context of you surviving N1, I guess). However if Crab is indeed revealed to be Despair after he has neglected to mention your name twice when it was relevant... well, I'm sure you can see how that looks.

And yeah no need to rush the vote. I only put mine in early as I can't foresee any circumstance in which I'd vote for trep (for various reasons, including but not limited to "this is literally my most trusted vs most suspected")

 

[*Splinter]

Veab = Crab

 

[*Splinter]

I was busy yesterday so that's I didn't post that much yesterday.

I just realised what you mean by this. When I said "yesterday" I meant D1, and was referring to the lack of suspicions against you. You posted yesterday, I'm not criticising you there.

Sorry it was poorly worded

 

[CornBurrito]

I really don't think my flip flopping is as bad as people make it out to be.

 

[CornBurrito]

I was busy yesterday so that's I didn't post that much yesterday. I'm not going to say much on this right now since suspicion is healthy and I have been flying under the radar up until some people realized that recently.

If I was to vote right now I would vote for kgtrep but I've been going between the two a lot. I think both are Hope but there is a lot of evidence against Crab in kgtreps posts and I can't really argue with any of it. The reason I'm not voting yet is because I want to be sure of my choice and not be changing between the two.

This is what really scares me. Most everyone voting for kgtrep hasn't bothered discussing any of the evidence he posted against Crab. Or we get people like Zip and Malone who go "yeah he makes a good case but lol whatever yolo" and can't argue against any if the evidence but seem willing to ignore it. Like, what the fuck. The fact that people are so trusting proves that Desoair very well could go with a Fake Town Leader strategy. Crab and others keep pretending it would never work but the evidence doesn't support that in this game.

I also don't like how Crab keeps suggesting he isn't actually leader and doesn't have much sway over people. I think the events on D2 are proving him wrong. Did he intend to have this much sway? Did he want to be leader? Perhaps not. But he does and he is regardless.

Anyway can we all discuss Pau? I want more reads on her. She has been super quiet and just tends to join in on bandwagons with very generic reasoning. It screams Desoair trying to blend in to me, I am currently going to vote Pau on D3.

 

[CornBurrito]

Malone = Kalor

 

[CzarTim]

fight club

 

[CzarTim]

I would like to hear some more reads from Pau.

 

[Ty4on]

Veab = Crab

Malone = Kalor

You and your fancy nicknames.

I haven't voted for anyone, but I really don't find kgtrep's evidence very convincing. Crab was pushing Makai because he acted strange and created doubt while not contributing much for us to work with should he be killed. I come home to a proper computer tomorrow and should have a better argument up then or the day after.

 

[CornBurrito]

So firstly my thoughts on our little duel here:

- Crab: He changed his approach compared to Day 1 pretty significantly, he stopped talking about how Mafia should be played all the time and has gotten a lot more involved in the discussion of our game at hand. Having become a major target of suspicion over the final hours he kind of has to do this, but it's also consistent with his response much earlier when I questioned the "meta-ness" of his posts (#710). That's a point for Hope imo. One could argue that he's a Mafia mastermind and posted that to cover his ass later on but like others before I've come to the conclusion that focusing on specific player's perceived skill only serves to cloud our judgment of their actual posts here - so I want to urge those who emphasized trusting him to also reconsider their expectations. While I've been somewhat coming around to Crab being Hope there's no reason to trust any player at this point.

That being said I noticed that you've had a number of outbursts lately, Crab. When called out by CornBurrito you quickly made a markedly out-of-character post (#1396) and soon reminded us that emotions on display aren't necessarily what people are actually feeling (#1502). Since you've stressed yourself that you're playing a character could you tell me what you're hoping to gain by repeatedly lashing out like this as a Hope player?

- kgtrep: Well, he's clearly done his homework and I'm hoping to find the time to go back to his initial case against Crab later. I'm pretty sure he's Hope going by his recent posts, on the other hand I don't remember much from him on Day 1.

Would someone who thinks he's neutral mind explaining how that would work in their minds? If his role is in fact neutral then what's his win condition, especially if he's telling the truth about his power being one-use?


So I see no reason to vote right now, the ongoing duel forces kgtrep and Crab to make a case for themselves anyway and I'd rather look at the entirety of their contributions again tomorrow than get closer to turboing someone. Ending this day early with no significant information on other players is literally the worst thing we could do.

- Zippedpinhead: When making decisions he keeps stressing how he's going with his gut (#544, #967, #1607) when in reality he always mirrors someone else's thoughts, mainly Crab's. He voted for me for being scummy after Crab had called me scummy, quickly switched to Terrabyte (which iirc had been suspected by Crab earlier), and then switched to Barrylocke (who had been suspected by Crab as well). Gave broader reads only when prompted to do so (#1022, but has made some good contributions on Day 2. Still a lot of your posts seem born from necessity rather than actually being invested in Hope's well-being.

- AbsolutBro: After being extremely quit at the start he's recently made it a point to address multiple posts and give his thoughts on a variety of topics when he finds the time, has presented some solid observations and new perspectives. Comes across as very genuine to me, right now I'm convinced that he's Hope.

- CornBurrito: Indeed flip-flops around a bit but I read his behavior as trying to help Hope as much as possible and cover multiple angles at all times. Not afraid of having a go at the big guys and always listens to people's arguments. Clumsy Hope (like myself

)

Is there anyone you think is Despair?

 

[Swamped]

I haven't quite had the chance to catch up with this thread, it's insane the pace at which it is moving at. By the time i get home there will be a ton more posts and i fear i am going to miss something. I am still convinced that at least one or two scum lie in the middling to low post counts and there are a few people in particular who worry me. Look forward to my posts on them when i get back.

Anyway, now that i have a little time i just wanted to post my inclination on who to vote for. We only have two choices today. It's not a secret that i was suspicious of Makai's role claim. It actually tells us nothing about alignment. It could be Hope or non-Hope. In fact, it's possible that he had been planning that reveal from the beginning, given his stubbornness to engage during Day 1, to make us all think he was a Hope PR. So once he revealed, why did Crab immediately assume he was Hope aligned? This is one reason im leaning towards voting for Crab.

The other is that I'm fairly certain that kgtrep is Hope, but i can't say the same about Crab because i don't have enough proof about him. Kgtrep said his power can only be used once, and he says he didn't want to die before using it. I agree that these one shot Hope powers should be used as early as possible (i actually have first hand experience dying from one in the SW game!). This power is all about gambling. If we all had proof that Crab was Despair there would be no point in using this ability. So what I'm trying to say is I trust kgtrep's judgement.

If Crab is punished and flips Despair, excellent. If Crab flips something else i won't beat myself up over it because i only had two choices today. Personally i feel that i would rather keep a known entity (kgtrep, now essentially an ordinary student) around.

Anyway, please keep in mind that these are just thoughts and that i still haven't had the time to peruse every post with Crab's defense carefully. So things may still change.

Anyone else craving Franconp's pancakes

 

[CornBurrito]

If Crab is punished and flips Despair, excellent. If Crab flips something else i won't beat myself up over it because i only had two choices today. Personally i feel that i would rather keep a known entity (kgtrep, now essentially an ordinary student) around.

As much as I really want people to vote Crab, we actually don't know anything about kgtrep's power and alignment other than that it can force a duel between two players. We do not know:

1. Kgtreps alignment. However this power seems to make no sense as a Neutral role. Thematically it fits Hope. I also don't think it would be the best power for Despair. Lets say kgtrep is Despair and this is a Despair power. Despair now gets a 50/50 chance to have themselves lose a member, or successfully lynch a Hope member during the day. But why would they take this chance? Franconp's death gave us so little info that we'd still be fairly blind on D2. It wouldn't make sense for Despair to use it now.

2. How many times the power can be used. Kgtrep claims once. I actually believe him. Or at least I doubt it can be used every night. But we don't know this.

3. What happens after it is used. For all we know, Kgtrep gets a secondary power is his bullet time duel succeeds with him not being lynched. This could be beneficial for Hope. Alternatively, maybe this is a Despair power and it gives Despair some huge benefit if kgtrep wins. After all this is a high risk thing for Despair (if it is Despair based). They have a 50% chance of failure assuming that everyone votes randomly. But that also seems really unfair, so I doubt it.

 

[kingkitty]

Like could you maybe discuss any of the evidence kgtrep posted at all? You seem to ignore it all in favor of "it amuses me" and this plus your actions on Day1 almost make me think you don't give a shit who wins. Which is bad for Hope regardless of which team you are on.

There's nothing golden by the evidence, my belly says crab is good. It's a bit odd for you keep questioning my loyalty, especially after that unfortunate behavior you pulled towards Day 1. But hey, I forgive you for that.

 

[Pau]

I'll respond more properly to CornBurrito once he gets people's reads on me without a defense, but for now, here are my (generic) reads on others. Sorry y'all I don't have new and exciting information and perspectives.

Rest: Voted for him on Day 1 instead of Hagi. I still think he's regular Hope but it's not like we've had any new material.

kgtrep: I think he's Hope or Neutral and wasted his power today. The power itself seems unnecessary for Despair.

kingkitty: I still don't know what to make of him making himself such a target Day 1.

CornBurrito Out of us newbies, he's trying the hardest I think. Probably Town. Too bad he picks on his own teammates.

Crab: Talked about him before. If we're going by the litmus that if you lie at all, then you must be Despair, then yeah, he's said himself that he's withheld information/put on attitudes, etc. If he's Despair, today's the best day to get him. I'm not convinced, but I won't lose sleep over him dying either. I really don't like his attitude, but I'm wondering why Despair would do something like that or maybe he really is that abrasive when he plays. SalvaPot, I actually don't see the soft role-claim unless you're talking him (jokingly?) saying that he'll role-claim before being lynched?

swamped: Backed off after an aggressive start. Might be Hope trying not to become a target?

CzarTim: Despite posting so much Day 1, he kind of flew below my radar. (There were other folks to focus on, I guess.) He's on the aggressive side which as I've said before, I don't like but then again I'm a baby with thin skin. I'm not convinced he's Hope, but other than high activity I don't see any redflags yet. Except that he seems like a Chuck Palahniuk fan in which case eww.

Makai: Not convinced he's Hope. Like I've asked before (although maybe people don't hear me and that's why they think I'm quiet?), how long are we going to wait for him to be left alive by Despair before we do something about him ourselves?

goshujinsama Most probably Town.

So, in my head I'm thinking of these folks as Hope: goshujinsama, Rest, CornBurrito, swamped, Crab. (In order of most likely to least likely.)

People on my suspicious list: Makai, kgtrep (if it's a neutral power), kingkitty

 

[CzarTim]

fight club is boring

the thing about fight club i'm guessing they dont allow weapons because that would be unfair.

some people love weapons. pirates. americans. ninjas. none of them would be allowed in fight club

so we shouldn't talk about fight club

 

[CzarTim]

also, thanks for your reads pau.

 

[Pau]

If you keep talking about fight club I'll add you to my suspicious list.

 

[CzarTim]

If you keep talking about fight club I'll add you to my suspicious list.

im not talking about fight club. fight club is a metaphor

 

[kingkitty]

metaphors are neat

 

[*Splinter]

he seems like a Chuck Palahniuk fan in which case eww.

VOTE: Pau

 

[ViviOggi]

Is there anyone you think is Despair?

Kingkitty is the one I'd say is most likely scum, after his D1 shenanigans he's said hardly anything of value unless I missed something (at work right now).

 

[CornBurrito]

Can I ask why some people think kgtrep's power is a neutral power? I actually thought Neutrals had an alternate win condition. Like werewolf has to be the last one standing. There's a chaos role that has to be lynched (not in this game, but in some). I really can't imagine what kgtrep's win condition would be if he were neutral. Win the bullet time vote? That'd be a bit fucking absurd given that at it has roughly a 50/50 chance.

I think the power is a Hope one. It is anti-Hope in the sense that forcing the vote between two people (and kgtrep can make a mistake and lock us into voting a Hope out) is bad. But it seems even worse as a Despair power. It wouldn't make sense for Despair to use it D2 and on Crab. The risk of losing one of their own would be too great.

 

[CzarTim]

yeah I dont see it being neutral at all

 

[CornBurrito]

I'll respond more properly to CornBurrito once he gets people's reads on me without a defense, but for now, here are my (generic) reads on others. Sorry y'all I don't have new and exciting information and perspectives.

Rest: Voted for him on Day 1 instead of Hagi. I still think he's regular Hope but it's not like we've had any new material.

kgtrep: I think he's Hope or Neutral and wasted his power today. The power itself seems unnecessary for Despair.

kingkitty: I still don't know what to make of him making himself such a target Day 1.

CornBurrito Out of us newbies, he's trying the hardest I think. Probably Town. Too bad he picks on his own teammates.

Crab: Talked about him before. If we're going by the litmus that if you lie at all, then you must be Despair, then yeah, he's said himself that he's withheld information/put on attitudes, etc. If he's Despair, today's the best day to get him. I'm not convinced, but I won't lose sleep over him dying either. I really don't like his attitude, but I'm wondering why Despair would do something like that or maybe he really is that abrasive when he plays. SalvaPot, I actually don't see the soft role-claim unless you're talking him (jokingly?) saying that he'll role-claim before being lynched?

swamped: Backed off after an aggressive start. Might be Hope trying not to become a target?

CzarTim: Despite posting so much Day 1, he kind of flew below my radar. (There were other folks to focus on, I guess.) He's on the aggressive side which as I've said before, I don't like but then again I'm a baby with thin skin. I'm not convinced he's Hope, but other than high activity I don't see any redflags yet. Except that he seems like a Chuck Palahniuk fan in which case eww.

Makai: Not convinced he's Hope. Like I've asked before (although maybe people don't hear me and that's why they think I'm quiet?), how long are we going to wait for him to be left alive by Despair before we do something about him ourselves?

goshujinsama Most probably Town.

So, in my head I'm thinking of these folks as Hope: goshujinsama, Rest, CornBurrito, swamped, Crab. (In order of most likely to least likely.)

People on my suspicious list: Makai, kgtrep (if it's a neutral power), kingkitty

I'm hardly one to talk given that my strategy consists of a single minded obsession over a single individual at a time, but you avoided giving reads about a loooooooot of people and that doesn't help quell my suspicion of you. But you did stick your neck out. So I'd like to see people that Pau didn't give a read on (and that haven't yet posted on this page or the last) to give their reads and assessment of the current situation. Or say something.

 

[*Splinter]

I don't think it's neutral. Vivi and I have both asked what the win condition would be and there hasn't been any suggestions so far. The thought process seems to be:
"Wellllll it could be hope or despair I can't decide it's like it's in the middle soooooo neutral? Done, let's get lunch"

 

[CzarTim]

I mean the win condition could just be "win x duel(s)" but that seems like a boring 3P role if so.

 

[*Splinter]

Even if it isn't a single use roll... We wouldn't let him get away with this again, right? Like to me we've hit the one rare set of circumstances where I think it's beneficial, that's not gonna happen twice in one game and I say that as probably the biggest supporter of this play

 

[CornBurrito]

I mean the win condition could just be "win x duel(s)" but that seems like a boring 3P role if so.

If that were his win condition then I think he shot himself in the foot by saying how it is a "one time use power, now I am just a regular Hope student". He'd lose any second duel most likely.

 

[CzarTim]

If that were his win condition then I think he shot himself in the foot by saying how it is a "one time use power, now I am just a regular Hope student". He'd lose any second duel most likely.

exactly, so either he only was to win one duel or (more likely) it's a town role

 

[CornBurrito]

Even if it isn't a single use roll... We wouldn't let him get away with this again, right? Like to me we've hit the one rare set of circumstances where I think it's beneficial, that's not gonna happen twice in one game and I say that as probably the biggest supporter of this play

Yeah this play is interesting. Crab is going to win the duel, of that I'm pretty certain. So if Crab actually is Despair then that means we've lost starting D2. If he isn't voted out today, he'll never be voted out. Unless all the "hey well the evidence is there but I'm just trusting my gut" players have their guts magically change. Though if Crab is Hope, we're in a pretty bad situation because we'll be down 4 Hope players come D3.

It was a very very high risk play. It probably won't pay off. But I do have some admiration for kgtrep putting his life on the line and taking that risk.

 

[CornBurrito]

exactly, so either he only was to win one duel or (more likely) it's a town role

Right. Which is why I'm like "seriously?" to the people even suggesting that it is a neutral power. It isn't.

 

[CzarTim]

If kg had posted his case today and used the power tomorrow, it would have been better all around. We would have had another day of posts to go through and gauge reactions.