Spells are largely useless in PVP outside of buffs and heals.
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Spells are largely useless in PVP outside of buffs and heals.
AlimNassor
Banned
Then why did GSR get nerfed? It's fast, but, unless you get lucky nobodys gunna get hit by it. Unless you're a havel wearing hexer...
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I've seen some creative use of Dead Again, Lifedrain Patch and surprise Climax used to great effect. Always be mobile and don't let yourself get cornered. Utilize the element of surprise as much as you can. Chameleon and hexing are like best friends.
SeventhSon
Member
That other guy was Leonardo from TMNT.
Already beat that boss.
Btw any good Dex or any good light weapon I can get by trading with straid? Or it is better to liquidate boss souls?
Because it made PVE easy mode and people were whining about it.
Red Liquorice
Member
Used the blue sentinels arena for the first time for shits and giggles and won. I only had an unupgraded sorcerer's staff with soul arrow and a +3 shortsword. The other dude had a twinblade and ran away and healed at least 7 or 8 times (which I always think is a great sign that you're in with a good chance of winning because they're chicken shit). He did parry me once though.
I was expecting to get Havelyn hexed to death, but I'm guessing the blue sentinels arena is soul memory based - I'm only about an hour or so in with this character, so it seemed like a fair fight at least.
I was expecting to get Havelyn hexed to death, but I'm guessing the blue sentinels arena is soul memory based - I'm only about an hour or so in with this character, so it seemed like a fair fight at least.
It opens a couple of other minor doors for loot, the cell besides Straid's and the locked door in the Saltford in the water where all the explody guys are.
Red Liquorice
Member
edit - sorry, meant to edit.
There's a few like Mytha's bent blade which I absolutely adore. The flexile sentry soul can be used to make the arced sword which is basically a murakumo but you get C scaling for strength. Flexile soul also makes the warped blade which has a special dual weilding move when used with the right weapons.
There's also the spotted whip and the roaring halberd that you can make later.
Orochinagis
Member
Unless you have a bunch to souls to waste for the powerfull spells, hexes acts more like poison spells
you're timing is perfect!
Yeah I noticed that too. I was very surprised to have far more enjoyable PvP sessions and more fair fights in the Blue Sentinels arena. The only thing is, the arenas themselves suck.
AlimNassor
Banned
So, with SM of 2MIL and dark lurker dead, should I go onwards to NG+?
If you plan on doing some invading or plan to get invaded then yes by all means join what From wants you to do. level up.
AlimNassor
Banned
I just want to use life drain to troll people.
What do you mean it takes longer to be summoned? As in no one playing?
Fair enough do you.
You're going on a host killing spree?
AlimNassor
Banned
Oh I am, I so am. I'm going to be the undercover sunbro. Solaire would be mad.
Is summoning broken? I can't be summoned anymore, it just gives me a failed to connect every single time. I used to be able to summon without fail, now I can't be summoned by anyone.
Is summoning broken? I can't be summoned anymore, it just gives me a failed to connect every single time. I used to be able to summon without fail, now I can't be summoned by anyone.
KillerDark
Member
There are items in at least one of those rooms FYI (I want to say both but can't remember for sure)
AlimNassor
Banned
Lol I made some guy rage quit. I killed him with lifedrain as he was going through the boss-gate. He sent me a death threat mail.
That's the best place to use life drain or in a narrow corridor where you can trap the other person/don't mind hurting yourself.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Be honest: you would have done the same thing if you were him. lol
Just_myles
Member
I haven't played for a few days. Was there an update that basically adjusted the avelyn, santir, grs etc...? I heard from my brother yesterday. Please confirm ds2GAF.
AlimNassor
Banned
I would have thrown my controller through the TV and punch my cat.
Laurentius
Member
Yes.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Yes. Nerfed Avelyn, GRS, Painting Guardian Scimitar and Santier's spear into the ground.
Just_myles
Member
You know what, since grs is nerfed, I don't mind avelyn being a little weaker. I assume they are going after the mundane avelyn going by their description.
Fair is fair?
Fair is fair?
Finished the game earlier today (Pc version).
Clocked in around 70 hours, wih SL 152.
Overall really great game, 8/10 as it feels right now.
Maby my expectations where too high, but i feel DS2 where not as good as DS1 and Demons Souls.
Il probably rank it the last of the three actually. Some of the enviorments and the overall pacing where not as good and tight as previoulsy. Some of the bosses felt like "filler" things really. The game is missing that last magic and polish, that the earlier Souls game have.
I feel ready for E3 and Project beast!
Clocked in around 70 hours, wih SL 152.
Overall really great game, 8/10 as it feels right now.
Maby my expectations where too high, but i feel DS2 where not as good as DS1 and Demons Souls.
Il probably rank it the last of the three actually. Some of the enviorments and the overall pacing where not as good and tight as previoulsy. Some of the bosses felt like "filler" things really. The game is missing that last magic and polish, that the earlier Souls game have.
I feel ready for E3 and Project beast!
Im extremely salty about that nerf. Especially because the people who abused it the most wont be affected by it one bit.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Dual Avelyn was an epidemic and while it was still possible to win against its previous form, I think the nerf was pretty fair. As for GRS, R1 to win was easy to dodge or get a Transgressor's out against, but it is obvious the developers were not happy with the extremely high damage relative to other spells that resulted in the ability to cheese all PVE content so easily.
While it is true that the people who abused this most will just move on to another flavor of the week "OP" build, I am glad that the above were discouraged because I appreciate variety.
I wasnt opposed to a nerf but that was just too much. And I know i sound like a broken record, it did nothing but shit on melee builds with no decent ranged options. Meanwhile the builds that the aforementioned ones struggle against...completely fine. It was tuesday.
ambientmystic
Member
Sucks ass? Sorcs are fucking gods in the beginning lol.
You never having to worry about things like character positioning, and you're taking out enemies with impunity before they even touch you. So long as you have spell ammo, you're golden, and with the provided Dagger, any fools that come close enough you can easily backstab for massive damage.
They're the easiest class to roll with if you've never played the game before, and by FOTG you will get another copy of your basic soul spell from Melentia (making it 60 casts) and another great soul spell next to the ballista trap.
They're also the only class that can kill those three Ogres in the tutorial area with zero risk for a newb, giving you a quick 3k souls to start the game with even before entering Majula. Dodging, rolling tactics? Who needs that lol.
I'm referring to PVE of course.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
If GRS got nerfed so hard, would it be better to use the regular RS instead? Or did that get nerfed too?
Red Liquorice
Member
I don't think this will ever change, you just have to work around it really like in DS1.
Actually what are the weapons that are unparryable?
It's basically all the 2 handed attacks on the big strength weapons like ultra greatswords, curved greatswords, great hammers, etc
edit: This seems pretty comprehensive
Great info to know! thank you sir. but wait, the one handed attacks of those weapons can be parryed right?
Yep, see the thread in my edit for a more detailed breakdown.
It's something I didn't realise for a loooong time too, can't tell you how many times I got annoyed after seeming to nail a parry on someone only to get smashed in the face lol.
Hum, lucked out and got the Chaos Rapier to drop on the last mob spawn on NG... but I'm a bit disappointed.
At +5 (twinkling titanites) damage output will be a measly 70 phys, 110 fire, with B dex / B fire scaling. Fire infusion makes it 63/121 C/B, which hardly seems like it's worth it. What is slightly interesting is that bleed and poison infusions (120 each) makes it 63/99 but with C/S scaling, which might make up for the damage loss with enough int/faith.
I don't know, so far I don't have more than the 13 required in int/faith. Been rocking a Fire Estoc which I kinda like except the damage output is not cutting it (no pun intended).
At +5 (twinkling titanites) damage output will be a measly 70 phys, 110 fire, with B dex / B fire scaling. Fire infusion makes it 63/121 C/B, which hardly seems like it's worth it. What is slightly interesting is that bleed and poison infusions (120 each) makes it 63/99 but with C/S scaling, which might make up for the damage loss with enough int/faith.
I don't know, so far I don't have more than the 13 required in int/faith. Been rocking a Fire Estoc which I kinda like except the damage output is not cutting it (no pun intended).
thanks for the link. Super helpful!
How can a build not have a decent ranged option? I mean unless your criteria is "kill more people with ranged than melee," there has to be something decent for a strength and/or dex build.
well, if you put it that way...
I started a new character recently. I went Sorcerer (mirroring my choice in DS1: first melee and then magic) and I had a harder time compared early game compared to the first one: in DS1 I was pretty much wrecking shit left-and-right until Anor Londo, killing bosses in like 3 hits or stuff like that. Hell, I just died, like, TWICE, in 5 or 6 hours (and one of those was a very stupid death to Hellkite Dragon).
In DS2 it took me a while to reach an acceptable level (not SL, I mean figuratively) in which I felt confortable. But it might be my own fault, anyway - I totally forgot about Melentia selling Soul Arrows.
I've already reached the Bastille with my sorc but haven't cleared the Wharf yet and I'm debating which one I should do first.
AlimNassor
Banned
Ok, how the fuck are you supposed to use ultra greatswords? What am I doing wrong?For starters I'm always fat rolling, and second I have no stamina from it. I'm using the pursuers ultra greatsword and I've died like a hundred times to just basic enemies now because it's impossible to do anything. What am I not getting? Are ultra greatswords useless? Do they basically require an insaen amount of stamina and VIT to even be remotely useful?
Am i doing something wrong? Greatswords are pure fucking garbage. Even naked not fat rolling the recovery time is insane. it's literally impossible to hurt a boss because by the time I'm finished swinging the boss is already hitting me. Again, wtf am I supposed to do here? Greatswords are complete fucking ass and impossible to hurt anything with.
Am i doing something wrong? Greatswords are pure fucking garbage. Even naked not fat rolling the recovery time is insane. it's literally impossible to hurt a boss because by the time I'm finished swinging the boss is already hitting me. Again, wtf am I supposed to do here? Greatswords are complete fucking ass and impossible to hurt anything with.