Orthogonal
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Is the Ashen Mist heart required to get into Old Iron King memeory? I didn't put it together, but I have it anyway.
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Is the Ashen Mist heart required to get into Old Iron King memeory? I didn't put it together, but I have it anyway.
I mean, this isn't some unfounded precedent. Even in the first game there are specific items and areas of the game that needed to be accessed before you can do post-game DLC.
Yea I think I read that. I'm doing it on my NG++ run where I stopped at the castle because that's how I got all achievements. Now I need to play through all that again just to fight the last DLC boss. Who designs this shit..
Oh. Not sure if I've ever noticed it. But that area is where I died the last time I tried to do a no death run. Thanks for opening old wounds
Orthogonal
Member
It shouldn't take long at all to run to Dragon Shrine from where you are now. I was in the same boat and decided to be proactive and get the Ashen Mist heart before the dlc was released because one of the producers mentioned that you may need it in an interview a while back.
ultraspank
Member
You dont.i mean you dont have to kill him.
Orochinagis
Member
DLC is supossed to be late game but bad implemented so you can enter the DLC earlier but still the dlc is meant to be played after finishing the game.
Just finished the 2nd DLC, and here's my impression:
I like this DLC more that Crown of Sunken King. The outside scenery is prettier, although majority of the game takes place inside towers. The enemies are interesting to fight with, and not annoying (except for the one where the
), you could take advantage of the enemies, the bigger ones are slow, you can poison them, some can be blown up using fire arrow, etc. I still really hate falling to death though, that's a really annoying level design.
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This is the first boss I encountered, some people said that he's supposed to be the final boss. Anyway, it was tough especially after he buffed himself. I opted for Homunculus +10 + Lightning mace, and it works fairly well. Solo is better than summoning NPC, I died numerous times, before deciding to tackle him alone.Fume Knight
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The run up to this boss is harder than the boss. Died around twice before beating it. But I died around just 5 - 6 times for the run to this boss. Not sure why they decided to have this boss.Smelter Demon
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The last boss that I fought. The run to him is not hard, just be patient and take out enemies one by one. I really enjoy the boss fight, he's not overpowered-one-shot-boss, just really agile. And the stage is really pretty. Definitely the boss that I like the most.Sir Alonne
I like this DLC more that Crown of Sunken King. The outside scenery is prettier, although majority of the game takes place inside towers. The enemies are interesting to fight with, and not annoying (except for the one where the
entire area is cursed until you take out the idol
If you're on NG, they're super useful. They facetanked everything while I poked with a spear from relative safety. Did the whole gauntlet and boss in one, thanks to them.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I thought it was lame that the gauntlet to
is made up of reused assets. 
2.0, now this? I guess it makes sense lore-wise to have
guarding him, but they could still have made new enemies, a new variants of them... like
. And the level design was just lazy there.
Regarding the
, is there an actual
Ser Alonne
Smelter
Alonne knights
Alonne Lieutenants or something
Regarding the
Memory of the Old Iron King
time limit like the memories of the giants? I initially tried to hurry (and got killed of course) but when I tried again and took it slow, even got invaded, and never saw the "ashen mist thins..." or anything.
Yup. After beating him (solo), I dropped my sign a few times to help out poor souls. It took like 12+ tries before I got 1 single win. Once or twice I was the one who died after a screw up, but most of the time it was the host. It always went badly if they summoned the NPC (I groaned every time they did, she's useless guys, stahp), and it usually went even worse if both healing effigies had not been destroyed. One time our party lasted very long, but the boss kept getting healed despite my best efforts to lure him back to the middle of the room. Then the host eventually died. It really heals him by quite a bit, too, yikes. Good thing I had 1 effigy destroyed, so I just fought him on one side of the room.
They really are. I know they can't all be Jester Thomas, but can they at least be like Felicia the Brave? ;_;
How did they kill the mages and archers? They have no ranged attack. -_-
CountAntonius
Member
I cheesed
with poison arrows while the npc's tanked. Never even got hit. Screw that guy.
smelter
Blech, I really hate Throne Watcher and Defender fight. Just did it solo (I usually just summon Benheart and Vengarl and get through it as fast as possible), and it is just an exercise in backpedaling until you can get one attack in. Their attack patterns are not conducive to a multi boss encounter, and they embody everything that makes group encounters frustrating in this game. A tiny mistake against one and the other can stunlock you fully to death. Neither has many attacks that give a good window to focus on the other and hit it. Just poor design, I guess that is why From gave you two summons right outside the boss door that can't be missed (I never talked to Benheart and his sign was still there).
Darklurker is a hard boss, but is so much better of a multi boss encounter than Throne duo. Large gaps between his attacks, they are more or less color coded so you can recognize what attacks are happening, and there are good windows to hit one while the other is busy.
Darklurker is a hard boss, but is so much better of a multi boss encounter than Throne duo. Large gaps between his attacks, they are more or less color coded so you can recognize what attacks are happening, and there are good windows to hit one while the other is busy.
... Kill them? I just ran my ass out of the small arenas after killing the guys on the ground. The NPCs happily followed.
After killing the big guy in the last part, I hugged the corner of the platform where the archer was, Warmthing up. Neither ranged dudes hit me there, hell, the archer even fell down to play. Landed right in the middle of me and the NPCs.
He didn't have a good time.
Getting the title of Best Boss in vanilla DkS2 does mean something after all. I really like that guy. He's got powerful and varied attacks, a mid-HP powerup that's unique and he's not a huge HP sponge either. The quintessential mage-boss.
Orochinagis
Member
My reaction after killing
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Why on earth FROM makes me waste my time like this.
Anyway now I dont know where to go, getting up there is suicide in human form.
Smelter Demon 2
Why on earth FROM makes me waste my time like this.
Anyway now I dont know where to go, getting up there is suicide in human form.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Jesus, that trip down from the lift after putting in the scepter, with the headless giant at the bottom, amkes me want to throw my controller out the fucking window.
What, you don't want to be the Grandfather of Giants?
Have you done the
2
Orochinagis
Member
What, you don't want to be the Grandfather of Giants?
Have you done theother bosses?2
It was my first in this DLC, I dont want to be to the
curse
That place is strictly optional, but you do get a nice weapon from there. And there's one of them idols there as well.
You need to take the elevators down from the central chamber now.
You need to take the elevators down from the central chamber now.
ultraspank
Member
OH GOD, if you summon people in Iron Passage, don't try to use the """shortcut""".
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant
Honestly, seeing how many people need help with this area, and that most of them are totally clueless about the path, i strongly believe most players have gone through the game by co-op only.
It's unbelievable they made it this far by their own.
But as a result, i got a lot of hilarious moments.
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant
Honestly, seeing how many people need help with this area, and that most of them are totally clueless about the path, i strongly believe most players have gone through the game by co-op only.
It's unbelievable they made it this far by their own.
But as a result, i got a lot of hilarious moments.
Orochinagis
Member
More? or you are refering the
middle section
OH GOD, if you summon people in Iron Passage, don't try to use the """shortcut""".
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant
Honestly, seeing how many people need help with this area, and that most of them are totally clueless about the path, i strongly believe most players have gone through the game by co-op only.
It's unbelievable they made it this far by their own.
But as a result, i got a lot of hilarious moments.
Actually the summons can go pretty easy to clear the first room of enemies while the host can go to the normal path
ultraspank
Member
I was talking about other people that i try to help.
I did everything solo.
If the host summoned me and a NPC, it's chaos.
This sucker just spam HELLO through all the fights XD.
Yeah, the third bonfire. Take the two elevators down in the middle chamber and you're on the road to the next boss.
Trolling NPC summons? More realistic than you could have imagined!
ultraspank
Member
I wish, but group coordination is impossible is they don't have a mic.
The simpliest way is to run by the normal path.
Iron passage like cave of the dead isn't one of the best measures of ability for a player.
CountAntonius
Member
Yep. I would summon the NPC's and bail all the way to the boss. They got there a few seconds after me.
I just found out there was a bow that scaled with strength. So happy. I really missed my bows when I switched from dex to strength.
I assume that's dragon rider you're talking about if it is then a hawk ring is worthwhile thing to use it gives you 7.55% longer range for the bow. It's got the same shot range as the composite so it doesn't hurt to extend it.
Orochinagis
Member
Mmmm gotta give a try,is the old samurai armor ?
Orthogonal
Member
I really really hate the gauntlet up to Smelter Demon part deux. It is not fun or interesting, just a slog. I can barely get to the fog gate as it is. The shortcut isn't even worth it, I can't consistently get past both the gates. Coop is terrible too, the hosts I go with have no better luck than I.
So is there a shorter way to the
boss fog door on the bottom? I'm starting from the main bonfire in the circular room with all the elevators, i go down from there, but it's pretty long.
Is there a shorter path or another bonfire in the middle? Also, on the way there, some enemies are immortal, what gives?
Is there a shorter path or another bonfire in the middle? Also, on the way there, some enemies are immortal, what gives?
No, that's at top, and is the last place you should go. The armor opens up once you beat another boss, and have the Ashen Mist Heart.
You need to go aaaaall the way down in the central chamber: Warp to the 3rd bonfire (the central chamber where you inserted the key to activate everything), take the statue down, and then don't enter any doors, but take another statue down.
You need to go aaaaall the way down in the central chamber: Warp to the 3rd bonfire (the central chamber where you inserted the key to activate everything), take the statue down, and then don't enter any doors, but take another statue down.
There's a bonfire at the bottom. Go right after the final elevator before the fogdoor.
To remove their immortality, you need to Examine the 4 Ashen Idols at the bottom, and use a Smelter Wedge on them.
To remove their immortality, you need to Examine the 4 Ashen Idols at the bottom, and use a Smelter Wedge on them.
Thanks.
Also,
on the bottom i got killed by one of those mace giants after i had killed an Ashen Idol, but didn't retrieve the soul piece.
Is that bad?
Is that bad?
The soul pieces might be droppables that stay forever. Hopefully. If they aren't, that's just dumb design.
They're only used to get a useless chime or a semi-useful Pyromancy, so don't worry too much if it's totally gone.
They're only used to get a useless chime or a semi-useful Pyromancy, so don't worry too much if it's totally gone.
CountAntonius
Member
Yep. hat's the one. I only really use it for pulling and cheesing when i can but it's nice to have an option that scales with strength.
Anyone else have a permanent spot for Ring of Life/Soul Protection? I just started doing this and man I am never hollow,out of souls or have a death penalty. I usually used up that spot with that ring that minimized death penalties but this works out much better. In NG+ I have about 6 total and just go back and repair them when I run out. It's a game changer.
Orthogonal
Member
OH GOD, if you summon people in Iron Passage, don't try to use the """shortcut""".
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant
Honestly, seeing how many people need help with this area, and that most of them are totally clueless about the path, i strongly believe most players have gone through the game by co-op only.
It's unbelievable they made it this far by their own.
But as a result, i got a lot of hilarious moments.
I haven't seen that, most folks I summon know to run to the end before I pull the lever. I even had one guy tank the salamander fireballs and give me a nice open path to run through. Smart thinking.
They go like other drop do I believe. Not heard of anything saying that they're excluded from the mechanic.
SoldnerKei
Member
OH GOD, if you summon people in Iron Passage, don't try to use the """shortcut""".
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant.
sowwy... actually it was pretty funny how two phantoms were waiting in front of the big gate, pulled the switch, ran, got hit by last fireball, they saw my despair as the gate was going down, I guess it was funny for them
thanks God it's 10000 easier to run the whole thing with 30% of equip and roll when needed, I was able to reach the boss without harm... at least most time
mickcenary
Member
The Bewitched Alonne Sword really isn't that great, but man, is it swish.
Decided to have a bewitched katana showdown with Sir Alonne. Great fun on NG+++. A real battle of attrition with that sort of damage output.
I really dig him as a boss. I actually think he could do with some more ridiculous 'fuck you' sort of attacks, but the "purity" of the fight is very cool. Sick beats, too.
Fuck that gauntlet, though. It's not hard at all - shield + Murakumo R1 = Drangleic Staggerfest 2014 - it's just goddamn tedious and dumb.
Decided to have a bewitched katana showdown with Sir Alonne. Great fun on NG+++. A real battle of attrition with that sort of damage output.
I really dig him as a boss. I actually think he could do with some more ridiculous 'fuck you' sort of attacks, but the "purity" of the fight is very cool. Sick beats, too.
Fuck that gauntlet, though. It's not hard at all - shield + Murakumo R1 = Drangleic Staggerfest 2014 - it's just goddamn tedious and dumb.
CountAntonius
Member
Yeah I'm not a fan of these gaunket to boss battles. In a game where you die a lot in boss battles it seems like a stupid unnecessary chore.
It's the next best thing to an Alonne greatbow really in terms of STR bows. Dragonslayer scales better at B than Alonne but takes far longer to fire and is slower in general.
OH GOD, if you summon people in Iron Passage, don't try to use the """shortcut""".
Do you really think a group of 3 can go through this?
THINK! >
/rant
Honestly, seeing how many people need help with this area, and that most of them are totally clueless about the path, i strongly believe most players have gone through the game by co-op only.
It's unbelievable they made it this far by their own.
But as a result, i got a lot of hilarious moments.
I did that to the NPC summons and they were waiting for me outside the boss room, so I dunno why human players can't do the same?
Coriolanus
Banned
Fooling around with some boss soul weps, can`t quite understand why hp damage per hit is split from poise damage. I can rotorblade the enemies in dlc1 and 2 using red iron and stone ring, stunning them all the time while doing very solid damage, but tried giving a dark crypt blacksword on dlc1 zombies. 1h r1 800+dmg, leaves them with a sliver of health in one strike. Doesn't stun them. Derp.
It is nice that poise damage can vary from wep to wep, but seems silly to not link it in any way to damage per hit too. If you can remove 50%+ HP from an enemy in a single hit, they should be stunned.
It is nice that poise damage can vary from wep to wep, but seems silly to not link it in any way to damage per hit too. If you can remove 50%+ HP from an enemy in a single hit, they should be stunned.
AlimNassor
Banned
Man, fuck the Fume Knight, fuck it I'm done. I get him to 50% hp and then he suddenly starts rapidly healing and then buffs himself and OHKOs me. This guy is no fucking joke, he makes all the regular Dark Souls 2 bosses look like garbage.
Coriolanus
Banned
Shove a stick in the chanting things outside the fight, ffs.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
Wow, lots of people need help for the
fight. I also got the best host, after we murdered the boss, he was like Thank-you TankyMcTankerson, you are the greatest person ever! Then proceeded to button mash Thank-yours hehehe. I began power-stancing the Kings Ultra Greatsword and also have Engraved Gauntlets on, I've been lucky with em, I got 2 crits against the boss in the same summon.
Elana
Two handed attacks deal more poise damage than a single handed attack will. A two handed blacksword with the stone will also stagger the enemies according to this: