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Dark Souls II |OT++| Bearer of...Seek...Seek...Lest
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Uh, did the patch remove Melinda the Butcher or something? Just went through the Gutter in NG+ with my friend, first time and all, and she was nowhere to be found. We explored the whole place too, and the whole of the Black Gulch (killing the giants and all).
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You know what I find incredibly stupid, and of course this patch didn't address? Agility's scaling.
Let me explain the stupidity, it scales with ADP and...Attunement. Why Attunement? Why?!
It makes no sense whatsoever, it forces all builds to invest into ATU for zero reason just to jack up Agility (that imo we should have had the same i-frames as DS1 from the start) with ADP. Why not let it scale with END and ADP? Makes more sense, endurance and adaptibility seem to be preconditions realistically for being more Agile...right? Not only that but every build that level bumps up END anyway, so it's a natural scaling solution and eliminates this issue, also would make staying at lower SL's more viable for PvP.
But no, want more Agility, pump Attunement, why the hell they did that is anybody's guess, but I think it's stupid. Mainly because I like my i-frames and my pure melee chars, which I never invest into ATU for anything. So yeah, just to get that off my chest.
Let me explain the stupidity, it scales with ADP and...Attunement. Why Attunement? Why?!
It makes no sense whatsoever, it forces all builds to invest into ATU for zero reason just to jack up Agility (that imo we should have had the same i-frames as DS1 from the start) with ADP. Why not let it scale with END and ADP? Makes more sense, endurance and adaptibility seem to be preconditions realistically for being more Agile...right? Not only that but every build that level bumps up END anyway, so it's a natural scaling solution and eliminates this issue, also would make staying at lower SL's more viable for PvP.
But no, want more Agility, pump Attunement, why the hell they did that is anybody's guess, but I think it's stupid. Mainly because I like my i-frames and my pure melee chars, which I never invest into ATU for anything. So yeah, just to get that off my chest.
Why would you put points in Attunement to raise your agility stat when each point invested in ADP increases it more? I don't get your complaints. It's not like investing 1:1 between ADP and ATT has some magical synergy effect, right?
I mean putting it into ADP increases the agility stat more than attunement, so why waste that stat on ATT to begin with??? I get sexy i-frames and fast estus and I haven't put a single point into that stat used only by filthy magic users.
Edit: Unless you're talking about some kind of NG+9001 stat ceiling effect for ADP?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, ATT barely raises agility, it's probably just so that mages aren't -that- squishy. If you want to raise agility per se, ADP is the way to go.
Red Liquorice
Member
I think they probably tied agility to attunement as well as ADP for spell-users who would be investing stat points in att and a magic stat at the expense of other stats. Or that would be the case if Soul Level mattered any more, maybe at some point they were still taking SL into consideration but then SM came along and made it obsolete other than as a gatekeeper to equipment.
I've never found the need to level up attunement though if I wasn't using magic, I have a sweetspot for agility that I can get easy enough from just ADP.
I've never found the need to level up attunement though if I wasn't using magic, I have a sweetspot for agility that I can get easy enough from just ADP.
Only way to get the original DS1 i-frames which is basically 115 Agility is to invest in Attune... Yeah, sucks if you want max i-frames. Honestly it's dumb it didn't just start with this and Agility didn't exist at all, but the reality is for most I suppose SL120-150 you want your i-frames as high as possible, and simpleton's ring only helps below at certain point, unlike DWGR. The max Agility I think is 120 with 99ATT and 99ADP, that's retarded. Plus, stamina regens way too slowly to have that fast paced combat of previous games even with max stamina regen gear and naked...
No it's not you can do it purely via ADP to get to that point if you really wanted to.
Cannon Goose
Member
Actually, 105 Agility will net you 13 i-frames, which is what the fast roll would give you in Dark Souls 1. This means you could have 25 Attunement (5 slots) along with 25 Adaptability for the 105 Agility total.
It's silly that i-frames are tied to stats, but it's not unreasonable at all to get it close to DkS1.
hotnheavyload
Banned
Anyone tried building a twink with the Agape Ring yet?
holy crap, I had completely forgotten about that. I've finished this game 4 times and I forgot that :S. I'll blame the fact that it was 6am when I was making my way through it
Red Liquorice
Member
For me it's not so much about the number of iframes but the roll animation itself. I can get along fine with less frames than DS1, but the difference in the animation is what catches me, I found it took a longer time to get used to where the sweetspot is in the roll in DS2 than DS1. It might look less 'realistic' in DS1, but the arch of the roll is easier to judge visually where the i-frames. Since the number of them changes in DS2 it means it took me longer to get used to the flatter/longer roll animation.
IFrames should be hinted at the player by making the character flash slightly or something.
Particularly in DS2 where the system is more flexible about it.
Red Liquorice
Member
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it here, I haven't noticed, but everyone should check the chest in the mansion at Majula, they updated it with all those reskin weapons from when the DLC came out.
Fuck. That. Place.
I was on the docks leading to the ship, some guys came running for me and I got scared and backpeddled right into the water.
dat start over from the beginning
didn't play for about 3 days.
Fucking rage.
You get to straid to buy it with about ~30000+ SM depending on the route you take to get the branch of yore and the path to Bastille you take. With that you are roughly around tier 4, it depends what tier you want to get into and play at, the higher you go you've got a bit more play around what you use.
There's not really a build per se as there's a lot of variety with what you can do with that amount of souls you've got. Ideally though if you wanted to stay in the lower tiers where there's likely to be less stat investment, generally you would want the strongest weapon you can find e.g mace/morning star and two hand. Along whilst starting off as a knight so you've got higher VIG to take a few more hits.
I did a mothball run that got there about ~45K or so without much hassle. Probably could do better than that but it was more of a proof of concept run than anything else.
EasyD did last page towards the bottom.
The last giant soul, ironclad set, kings ring, majestic greatsword, ruler sword, and the rotten soul are the only thing different
Yeah, sorry, knew it was somewhere between 100-115. Still, the Attunement investment is stupid imo. Would be far better if swapped for END = everybody benefits regardless.
Still though, you understand that you're talking about a 50 level investment just to get back what we should have immediately started the game with, that's beyond ridiculous for people who like going low level. Combined with the lack of a great "visual signpost" of the roll animation Red mentioned making dodging not only numbers consistent 100% of the time but also visually consistent where the controls eventually become a extension of your thoughts, muscle memory. Combined with the much sloppier and much less tighter movement calibration AND bad hitboxes and you can begin to see the major problems still unfixed with Dark Souls II. Not to mention Poise being totally broken and pretty much nonsensical, stunlocking Havel's with dagger R1 spam say's it all. It's just mechanically and technically from a controls standpoint inferior game on a accounts, from a controls perspective.
Anyway.
When is this supposed to trigger? I started a new game, new char. At SL68 now and just beat the Rotten after a bunch other other bosses/shenanigans. ;p
I noticed the Giant's Kinship too.
Red Liquorice
Member
It's active now. You have to be online to get them apparently, having the patch and being offline isn't enough. reddit thread about it.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
Yup. If you killed all the Great Souls pre-patch he will be at The Rotten. He will show up at whichever is killed last thereafter.
Badlucktroll
Member
So its 1080p/60FPS on Ps4!
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/02/05/hands-on-with-dark-souls-ii-ps4/#sf7302979
"But the biggest improvement comes from the improved frame rate 60 frames per second according to Bandai Namco representatives. The increased fluidity translates into more responsive movement and combat, a major advantage considering the games famously unforgiving difficulty."
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/02/05/hands-on-with-dark-souls-ii-ps4/#sf7302979
"But the biggest improvement comes from the improved frame rate 60 frames per second according to Bandai Namco representatives. The increased fluidity translates into more responsive movement and combat, a major advantage considering the games famously unforgiving difficulty."
It also sounds like its got the 60fps bug:
It's further down in the article towards the bottom.
I've got a rough idea of one that should work pretty well but it's aiming more for a tier than a desired level itself.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
It would be cool of the Agape ring showed the amount of souls it's stolen from me. Not something that's really needed, just something that'd be cool, like the death counter.
Orochinagis
Member
Quite a fw and some are very spoilerish if you are new to the game. (woot)
That would be interesting like the death board in Majula.
Bleh so PS4 and Xbox One players will get the bad PC port?
Sounds like it, the article doesn't really go into much detail other than that. Doesn't help the author didn't know it existed at all.
But in the photos there's one of the new weapons for the next gen version which is the dark sword, there's probably going to be the rest of the DS1 weapons that were cut from the current versions but are still in the game the dragon greataxe and smoughs hammer.
Laurentius
Member
The PC version is the best version, though...
I would gladly have the durability bug if it means I get 60FPS. The durability bug only really affects me occasionally, and I like using more than one weapon anyway.
I would gladly have the durability bug if it means I get 60FPS. The durability bug only really affects me occasionally, and I like using more than one weapon anyway.
I just had 3 Great Clubs in my inventory at all times on PC lol. Just quick swap whenever one got close to breaking.
For those of you that have been playing at 30 FPS on consoles, the durability bug isn't that big of a deal, the game runs and plays so much better at 60 FPS.
Also ties in to Aryn's concern about i-frame visibility on rolls, it's much easier to learn at 60 FPS. I totally agree that having i-frames tied to stats is terrible, especially for those that like lower level builds, or min/maxing more efficiently. Dark Souls 2 across the board is all about maxing, since gouging all of your stats just makes you stupid tanky with resistances.
For those of you that have been playing at 30 FPS on consoles, the durability bug isn't that big of a deal, the game runs and plays so much better at 60 FPS.
Also ties in to Aryn's concern about i-frame visibility on rolls, it's much easier to learn at 60 FPS. I totally agree that having i-frames tied to stats is terrible, especially for those that like lower level builds, or min/maxing more efficiently. Dark Souls 2 across the board is all about maxing, since gouging all of your stats just makes you stupid tanky with resistances.
Iva Demilcol
Member
The article says it was just the Fire longsword though, and it seems it is intentional since a producer addressed that and said there would be other changes to other weapons.
I suppose we'll find out eventually.
I suppose we'll find out eventually.
Orochinagis
Member
Soooooo Decided to end the DLC and some leftovers on my main run
Ivory King down
Not sure if was a bug but managed the Loyce soldiers to close the doors, the Loyce king appeared, moved to the main platform and didnt move at all so me and another guy mauled him to dead.
Those poors soldiers died for me? bummer and of course the boss is nearly inmune to sorceries, again.
Got the final crown and got buffed by the grand nameku king whatever Vendrik in a shitty cutscene that doesnt explain anything at all.
Got one last visit to the death altar to talk with the Milfanito lady
Ascetic the bonfire in Drangelic and fight the three bosses in a row.
Defenders battle
Yup, as cheap as I remember, also took my time and one of them revived his downed bro, didnt see that before.
Nashandra.
Yup, Not worth my powerful spells so I let vengar kill her.
Suuuuuuper lazy fight, the enemy didnt move in fast they only animated some tentacles to do the work, good lord he is nearly inmune to sorceries and his genki dama really hurts if you are not well prepared
Ivory King down
Not sure if was a bug but managed the Loyce soldiers to close the doors, the Loyce king appeared, moved to the main platform and didnt move at all so me and another guy mauled him to dead.
Those poors soldiers died for me? bummer and of course the boss is nearly inmune to sorceries, again.
Got the final crown and got buffed by the grand nameku king whatever Vendrik in a shitty cutscene that doesnt explain anything at all.
Got one last visit to the death altar to talk with the Milfanito lady
Ascetic the bonfire in Drangelic and fight the three bosses in a row.
Defenders battle
Yup, as cheap as I remember, also took my time and one of them revived his downed bro, didnt see that before.
Nashandra.
Yup, Not worth my powerful spells so I let vengar kill her.
Aldia
Suuuuuuper lazy fight, the enemy didnt move in fast they only animated some tentacles to do the work, good lord he is nearly inmune to sorceries and his genki dama really hurts if you are not well prepared
Can you use your regular rings, successfully win a PvP scenario, or kill a boss, then quickly swap to Agape ring to prevent the soul payout?
Orochinagis
Member
I need two for my sorcerer, another one for survability and the last one for looting so yep, need an extra slot for that ring
Damn, I've been online the whole time on the PC version doing that and every time I hit Majula it's the open chest I got a Soul Vessel out of...? Hmmm Do I need to Ascetic the Bonfire or what, using the Blue Longsword for once would be fun.
Anyhow, for the person that asked earler, yeah, Melinda the Butcher is still in the Gutter, same chest area trigger, I got it screenshotted even. PC version.
Cannon Goose
Member
Okay, the best secret thing about this new patch is that the stupid empty quiver no longer shows up on your character's back when you use a greatbow! That always bugged the hell out of me.
Orochinagis
Member
it makes sense since you equip the quiver
DarkHeartedKill
Member
It should be a toggle/setting or have an extra ring slot that can only have that ring placed in it. I find it stupid that they break some builds just so people don't have to deal with SM.
Orthogonal
Member
The idea of having to use up a ring slot to band-aid fix a broken game mechanic is insulting. They really just need to have SM work for NG playthrough and that's it. Go ahead and have it work towards Shrine of Winter requirement, but just ignore it for multiplayer in NG+ and beyond.
posted yet? PS4/PS3/PC graphic comparison
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/dark-souls-ii-scholar-of-the-first-sin-graphics-co/2300-6423268/
pretty meh.
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/dark-souls-ii-scholar-of-the-first-sin-graphics-co/2300-6423268/
pretty meh.
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
SotFS Spoilers:
Just beat the new boss, that was incredibly easy.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
I think they added it to make both people happy. Want to keep increasing their level and SM allows them to still connect with others. While others like to have a level build, and SM wreaks that by having them get matched with max levels. The ring is something that helps both groups, those that want to keep leveling don't wear it and those that like their SM to stay where it is uses it. However, it being an item one must equip in place of another slot that could be used is ridiculous. To reiterate, they should have an additional slot that can only have that ring in it that way people can still have their 4 ring builds.
Orochinagis
Member
Helped a sorcerer full havel guy, time to some ZZZzzzZZZ the boss is horrible to deal with magic but It lowers its defenses for physical damage if you fully ranged him
Or maybe just add it as a buff in the covenant of champions or pvp covenants
Deified Data
Banned
I haven't touched DS2 in months, but thinking of starting a new playthrough to finally tackle all the DLC I paid for but never played. Do the others stack up to Crown of the Sunken King well enough?
Same. One of my biggest complaints about the game was how you couldn't co-op in a comfy spot without being pushed out of the SM bracket for the area you were in.
Same. One of my biggest complaints about the game was how you couldn't co-op in a comfy spot without being pushed out of the SM bracket for the area you were in.
Personally I think that the latter two dlc are better than the first is.
Deified Data
Banned
Any more bosses as bad as the 3-man gank squad?
There's two that are bad one in each of the other dlc, but not quite gank squad bad. They're the optional bosses like the gank squad is.