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[Orochinagis]

That replica -theory holds a good amount of water, seeing how many "unique" weapons you can find throughout the game. A dozen Ricard's Rapiers? From spiders you say? Makes sense!

Those DS1 weapons in this game makes no sense to be honest like most of the lore, I am not saying those are replicas but the old dragon slayer armor is more likely a replica from Ornstein's gold armor

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Considering this would be the place where Qwynevere landed with his husband and mimic Anor londo arquitecture is not impossible to believe they also replicate armors and weapons from their homeland and take other names.

Still you can see lots of gears wandering too in pristine conditions too.

Only it isn't? I mean, they left Lordran and Drangleic is Lordran, it wouldn't make sense. Also,

Spoiler

I think Hyde Tower of Flame is actually more related to the Old Iron King's kingdom since the enemies you see in that area appear again in the Brume Tower (as elevators =P and much bigger)

There are many things in DS II that don't make sense though.

 

[Ruuppa]

Only it isn't? I mean, they left Lordran and Drangleic is Lordran, it wouldn't make sense. Also,

Spoiler

I think Hyde Tower of Flame is actually more related to the Old Iron King's kingdom since the enemies you see in that area appear again in the Brume Tower (as elevators =P and much bigger though)

It's never really said clearly that Drangleic is Lordran. Vendrick went "over the sea" to the land of the giants and returned. It can be speculated that that land of the giants is Lordran, and Vendrick just pillaged its loot and liked the architecture.

As it stands, both theories are about equally credible.

 

[Jaeger]

It's never really said clearly that Drangleic is Lordran. Vendrick went "over the sea" to the land of the giants and returned. It can be speculated that that land of the giants is Lordran, and Vendrick just pillaged its loot and liked the architecture.

As it stands, both theories are about equally credible.

I think we already discredited Lordran being the Land of the Giants. Especially considering the giants are clearly depicted in the game.

 

[Ruuppa]

I think we already discredited Lordran being the Land of the Giants. Especially considering the giants are clearly depicted in the game.

We did? I must have missed that.

 

[Orochinagis]

Only it isn't? I mean, they left Lordran and Drangleic is Lordran, it wouldn't make sense. Also,

Spoiler

I think Hyde Tower of Flame is actually more related to the Old Iron King's kingdom since the enemies you see in that area appear again in the Brume Tower (as elevators =P and much bigger)

There are many things in DS II that don't make sense though.

Drangelic is not Lordran at least not directly Lordran, some items says is another land, other says is Vilheim the source of magic land, other takes mentions of an unkown land who contain greater horrors and no one wanders there anymore (possibly anor londo).

Also there is no clue about Vendrick comes from.

 

[Jaeger]

We did? I must have missed that.

Well, I can't say specifically here (although I remember it being a topic in the Lore thread), but it has been discussed outside of here.

Unless the Giants (II) are some kind of mutated, or off-kilter version of the humans from Dark Souls, they are not of the same breed. Nothing in-game IIRC leads us to believe the land the Giants (II) hail from is Lordran. I remember them speaking of him taking some kind of power from them, but that doesn't mean what he took was something that originated there, and if it did, that they didn't acquire it from Lordran themselves, before Vendrick.

 

[Ruuppa]

Well, I can't say specifically here (although I remember it being a topic in the Lore thread), but it has been discussed outside of here.

Unless the Giants (II) are some kind of mutated, or off-kilter version of the humans from Dark Souls, they are not of the same breed. Nothing in-game IIRC leads us to believe the land the Giants (II) hail from is Lordran. I remember them speaking of him taking some kind of power from them, but that doesn't mean what he took was something that originated there, and if it did, that they didn't acquire it from Lordran themselves, before Vendrick.

The giants we have in DkS2 do have some resemblance to the big giants that we had in DkS1, only that they all wore masks or helmets in that game. Anor Londo is a big place, and we only explored a tiny bit of it in DkS1, who's to say that there aren't a load of those big giants hanging around in the seedy underbelly of that city?

The god-giants, Gwynevere etc., had already left the place for somewhere else, so it wasn't them who were in charge anymore. Well, maybe Gwyndolin was, kinda.

Going by this theory, the power he took from the land of giants was the Lordvessel, which you do find pieces of in DkS2.

Ah, lore. Maybe I should look into the lore thread sometimes.

 

[Mistel]

No clue, to be honest. There's way too much left to interpretation in II.

Lot of it is far too open or just hamfisted in in a vaguely coherent manner. Like the Sir Alonne stuff for example. Alonne helped the lord that became the Iron King take over Venn then buggered off.

Which is really goddamn weird, but can be explained to a certain extent with them being replicas. The Kobolds' drops are somewhat more explainable than the spiders, though: They're scavengers, and there were a lot of Black Knights around in the past.

The black knight weapons we get in this one are probably replicas they look little a like what they used to. The fume sword looks more like a black knight sword than the black knight sword does.

 

[Iva Demilcol]

It's never really said clearly that Drangleic is Lordran. Vendrick went "over the sea" to the land of the giants and returned. It can be speculated that that land of the giants is Lordran, and Vendrick just pillaged its loot and liked the architecture.

As it stands, both theories are about equally credible.

It's a Souls game, they will never tell you directly that Lordran is Drangleic, but they strongly suggested that. The first flame is there (The last Sinner tried to light it), the souls of Lord Gwyn, Sith, Nito and the witch of Izalith are there, the servants of Nito are there as well, you can see the remains of an everlasting Dragon, you know that many kingdoms have risen and fallen in that place (Lordran being the first), the remains of the Lord Vessel are there, the remains of the abyss are there... and so on.

Drangelic is not Lordran at least not directly Lordran, some items says is another land, other says is Vilheim the source of magic land, other takes mentions of an unkown land who contain greater horrors and no one wanders there anymore (possibly anor londo).

Also there is no clue about Vendrick comes from.

The Vinheim theory was one of the first that was discarded because the description of the ring said "This ring was used in the same land where Drangleic is now", the ring was made in Vinheim but we know for sure that it was actively used in Lordran since we were the ones who used it.

Still, Drangleic is another land, but that's because nobody knows it's Lordran.

 

[Orochinagis]

Well, I can't say specifically here (although I remember it being a topic in the Lore thread), but it has been discussed outside of here.

Unless the Giants (II) are some kind of mutated, or off-kilter version of the humans from Dark Souls, they are not of the same breed. Nothing in-game IIRC leads us to believe the land the Giants (II) hail from is Lordran. I remember them speaking of him taking some kind of power from them, but that doesn't mean what he took was something that originated there, and if it did, that they didn't acquire it from Lordran themselves, before Vendrick.

DS2 giants are more like a different race of giants compared to DS1 giants and have a different funtion while DS1 giants are more into being at the same status with Lordran gods few remaining there as testers of the chosen undead in sen fortress with the tamed serpents people compared to the shamanistic Giants tribe who are are more like a tribe race and have no bussines in the curse cicle

The Vinheim theory was one of the first that was discarded because the description of the ring said "This ring was used in the same land where Drangleic is now", the ring was made in Vinheim but we know for sure that it was actively used in Lordran since we were the ones who used it.

Still, Drangleic is another land, but that's because nobody knows it's Lordran.

Still you buy the rings from vilheim merchants and vilheim casters corpses

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Since in DS 2 we are in a world where a chosen undead chose the "light the fire" ending, I would like to see Fromsoft makes DS 3 as if a chosen undead chose the "Dark Lord" ending. :O

Still you buy the rings from vilheim merchants and vilheim casters corpses

... and yet we never saw them using those rings. =P You could even argue that before dying they used those rings... in Lordran.

I admit that the item description is tricky on purpose so we have something to discuss here though >__>

But other than that ring we don't have more evidence that suggests that Drangleic is Vinheim.

 

[Jaeger]

The giants we have in DkS2 do have some resemblance to the big giants that we had in DkS1, only that they all wore masks or helmets in that game. Anor Londo is a big place, and we only explored a tiny bit of it in DkS1, who's to say that there aren't a load of those big giants hanging around in the seedy underbelly of that city?

The god-giants, Gwynevere etc., had already left the place for somewhere else, so it wasn't them who were in charge anymore. Well, maybe Gwyndolin was, kinda.

Going by this theory, the power he took from the land of giants was the Lordvessel, which you do find pieces of in DkS2.

Ah, lore. Maybe I should look into the lore thread sometimes.

I think that it's more than stretching it to suggest they the same species of giants in DS2 were somewhere hanging around Lordran. It's more reasonable to assume they aren't kin to the any of the types of giants shown in DS1. They aren't even physically close enough (other than their stature) to each other to warrant that kind of conclusion, IMO.

And yes, there is the broken up Lordvessel in Majula. I do believe that to be connected to alot of the happenings in Majula (insta-warp, for example) but I'm not sold on that being what Vendrick took from them.

Lot of it is far too open or just hamfisted in in a vaguely coherent manner. Like the Sir Alonne stuff for example. Alonne helped the lord that became the Iron King take over Venn then buggered off.

Yea. I wish they were a tad more direct in some of this stuff, and a bit more open in others.

 

[Orochinagis]

Since in DS 2 we are in a world where a chosen undead chose the "light the fire" ending, I would like to see Fromsoft makes DS 3 as if a chosen undead chose the "Dark Lord" ending. :O

We are playing legend of zelda majoras mask all along!!

 

[Screaming Meat]

Lot of it is far too open or just hamfisted in in a vaguely coherent manner. Like the Sir Alonne stuff for example. Alonne helped the lord that became the Iron King take over Venn then buggered off.

Nah, I think he got whacked by the player, hence the armour still being there. Unknown land's (or whatever it was) is totally the afterlife/death. I'd bet my coconuts on it.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Fume Knight is hard ;__;

Yes. ;_; My company of champions toon can't beat him whatsoever. It doesn't help that he's a faith build, which got massively nerfed. Pre-nerfs I might have done it...

When he goes into second form, how do you dodge his really slow flame slash? That thing has a REALLY long range, and rolling behind out of it is not an option.

You must roll through it, towards the left, but the timing is fairly precise, so it sucks. One small mistimed roll and you're fucked.

 

[Jaeger]

Nah, I think he got whacked by the player, hence the armour still being there. Unknown land's (or whatever it was) is totally the afterlife/death. I'd bet my coconuts on it.

That's the first time I've heard this theory. That couldn't be the case, however. It seems to be simply a memory of the old Iron King, and not Sir Alonne. When he left, he simply left his armor and weapon, aswell.

His armor description states;

Sir Alonne came to this land from the east,
chose to serve a little-known and unestablished
lord, and helped him become the Old Iron King.

Then, at the very peak of his sire's rule,
Sir Alonne set out again, in search of
lands yet unknown.

 

[ugoo18]

Since in DS 2 we are in a world where a chosen undead chose the "light the fire" ending, I would like to see Fromsoft makes DS 3 as if a chosen undead chose the "Dark Lord" ending. :O

I kind of want From to take the world/concept somewhere newish. Basically the Bloodborne to Demon Souls equivalent.

 

[Orochinagis]

That's the first time I've heard this theory. That couldn't be the case, however. It seems to be simply a memory of the old Iron King, and not Sir Alonne. When he left, he simply left his armor and weapon, aswell.

His armor description states;

Mmm no, thats the memory of sir alonne.

 

[Mistel]

Since in DS 2 we are in a world where a chosen undead chose the "light the fire" ending, I would like to see Fromsoft makes DS 3 as if a chosen undead chose the "Dark Lord" ending. :O

Maybe it's Solaire's world?

Nah, I think he got whacked by the player, hence the armour still being there. Unknown land's (or whatever it was) is totally the afterlife/death. I'd bet my coconuts on it.

We're told that he left but his set might function like the king set where that's a memory portal thingy.

Yea. I wish they were a tad more direct in some of this stuff, and a bit more open in others.

Me too as it's alright but its not exactly great for figuring out stuff.

 

[Jaeger]

Mmm no, thats the memory of sir alonne.

But the area is called "Memory of the Old Iron King".

 

[Ruuppa]

That's the first time I've heard this theory. That couldn't be the case, however. It seems to be simply a memory of the old Iron King, and not Sir Alonne. When he left, he simply left his armor and weapon, aswell.

His armor description states;

The Ashen Mist Heart is really weird though. Does it time-travel, or just access memories? Being able to take items from the memories suggests time-travel, but even with the time being convoluted in the lands (Lordran or otherwise), it's a really weird way to go. The DLC warping is straight up time-travel tho', so uh. Maybe?

If it just accesses memories, it could be thought that you simply take the role of whoever the unnamed hero is in that time. In the Giants' memories, you're put into the shoes of the unknown hero who killed the King of Giants, and in Alonne's memories you're uh. Some bloke who assassinated him?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm starting to lean towards wholesale time-travel, even though I don't like it.

 

[Orochinagis]

But the area is called "Memory of the Old Iron King".

FROM forgot how memories works too, not sure who is in charge of the game design but there some stupid things that you cant just simply ignore.

 

[Easy_D]

FROM forgot how memories works too, not sure who is in charge of the game design but there some stupid things that you cant just simply ignore.

I dunno, makes sense to me that The Old Iron King challenged Sir Alonne and won and Sir Alonne was all "Yo I'll serve you bro, let me train some of your knights too" and then we got the Alonne Knights and Captains. You're reliving The Old Iron King's memory of challenging Sir Alonne pretty much.

 

[Jaeger]

FROM forgot how memories works too, not sure who is in charge of the game design but there some stupid things that you cant just simply ignore.

Well, from the little we have to go on, Sir Alonne was alive and well and left of his own accord. He wasn't slaughtered by the player character. But then again, that doesn't explain half of what we actually experience in it in any reasonable manner.

The Ashen Mist Heart is really weird though. Does it time-travel, or just access memories? Being able to take items from the memories suggests time-travel, but even with the time being convoluted in the lands (Lordran or otherwise), it's a really weird way to go. The DLC warping is straight up time-travel tho', so uh. Maybe?

If it just accesses memories, it could be thought that you simply take the role of whoever the unnamed hero is in that time. In the Giants' memories, you're put into the shoes of the unknown hero who killed the King of Giants, and in Alonne's memories you're uh. Some bloke who assassinated him?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm starting to lean towards wholesale time-travel, even though I don't like it.

Yea, the Lore is all over the place. The already confusing story is further convoluted with the Ashen Mist Heart, and the Memories.

Me too as it's alright but its not exactly great for figuring out stuff.

I get literal headaches trying to wrap my head around DS2's Lore. DS1's was a bit easier for me to grasp.

 

[Ruuppa]

I dunno, makes sense to me that The Old Iron King challenged Sir Alonne and won and Sir Alonne was all "Yo I'll serve you bro, let me train some of your knights too" and then we got the Alonne Knights and Captains. You're reliving The Old Iron King's memory of challenging Sir Alonne pretty much.

So you're reliving Jeigh's, Vammar's and Orro's memories during the Giant War? And the Dragon's in Dragon Memories?

I could get behind that reasoning, if not for one memory: The Memory of the King. The one who's sitting and talking to you. Unless From is trying to be sneaky, and say that *you* are the King, and are accessing your *own* memories which.. Makes zero to none sense.

 

[Orochinagis]

I dunno, makes sense to me that The Old Iron King challenged Sir Alonne and won and Sir Alonne was all "Yo I'll serve you bro, let me train some of your knights too" and then we got the Alonne Knights and Captains. You're reliving The Old Iron King's memory of challenging Sir Alonne pretty much.

But the memory is linked to Sir Alonne's armor and previous memories are linked to the owners portal memories. It would make more sense if you enter the memory via Iron King's throne or an black iron alonne armor

 

[Jaeger]

But the memory is linked to Sir Alonne's armor and previous memories are linked to the owners portal memories. It would make more sense if you enter the memory via Iron King's throne or an black iron alonne armor

It's not the memory of Sir Alonne, who once donned the armor. But the memories of the person who last touched it, and currently owns it (the Old Iron King).

That's how I see it, at least.

 

[Orochinagis]

It's not the memory of Sir Alonne, who once donned the armor. But the memories of the person who last touched it, and currently owns it (the Old Iron King).

That's how I see it, at least.

Thats not how a memory works...at least before DLC

 

[Mistel]

So you're reliving Jeigh's, Vammar's and Orro's memories during the Giant War? And the Dragon's in Dragon Memories?

I could get behind that reasoning, if not for one memory: The Memory of the King. The one who's sitting and talking to you. Unless From is trying to be sneaky, and say that *you* are the King, and are accessing your *own* memories which.. Makes zero to none sense.

The giant warrior trees are probably the only ones that are really them. Probably a bit of a stretch from me but they probably became the tree of the giants after the war wound down.

I dunno, makes sense to me that The Old Iron King challenged Sir Alonne and won and Sir Alonne was all "Yo I'll serve you bro, let me train some of your knights too" and then we got the Alonne Knights and Captains. You're reliving The Old Iron King's memory of challenging Sir Alonne pretty much.

Before the arrival of Alonne the iron king was a unestablished lord. Probably not even capable of beating Alonne.

 

[Easy_D]

But the memory is linked to Sir Alonne's armor and previous memories are linked to the owners portal memories. It would make more sense if you enter the memory via Iron King's throne or an black iron alonne armor

Not really, Memory of Jeigh brings you to the Giant Lord fight. If what you propose is true, wouldn't they call it the memory of the Giant Lord instead? I dunno man. It would be simpler if it was just The Memory of Sir Alonne instead.

Before the arrival of Alonne the iron king was a unestablished lord. Probably not even capable of beating Alonne.

Well then, maybe the duel took place after The Old Iron King's rise to power, who proved his worth as king to Sir Alonne, who then left? I dunno .

 

[Orochinagis]

Not really, Memory of Jeigh brings you to the Giant Lord fight. If what you propose is true, wouldn't they call it the memory of the Giant Lord instead? I dunno man. It would be simpler if it was just The Memory of Sir Alonne instead.

NPCs can change their NPCs names at will you know, because reasons. And there are two giants there that could possibly survived and watched how you cheap killed their king.

 

[Ruuppa]

Not really, Memory of Jeigh brings you to the Giant Lord fight. If what you propose is true, wouldn't they call it the memory of the Giant Lord instead? I dunno man. It would be simpler if it was just The Memory of Sir Alonne instead.

What bothers me about the names of Jeigh, Orro and Vammar is that they exist in a vacuum. We know nothing else about these figures. Are they the dudes who killed these giants we see and access, or are they the Giants?

Probably the latter. Urgh. This game needs a loreguide.

 

[Orochinagis]

What bothers me about the names of Jeigh, Orro and Vammar is that they exist in a vacuum. We know nothing else about these figures. Are they the dudes who killed these giants we see and access, or are they the Giants?

Probably the latter. Urgh. This game needs a loreguide.

They could be the dead corpses you touch to exit the memories or a random giant you fight there.

Throw a coin a take a I guess, that how DS2 lore is for me.

 

[Jaeger]

What bothers me about the names of Jeigh, Orro and Vammar is that they exist in a vacuum. We know nothing else about these figures. Are they the dudes who killed these giants we see and access, or are they the Giants?

Probably the latter. Urgh. This game needs a loreguide.

*cough* ....

They could be the dead corpses you touch to exit the memories or a random giant you fight there.

Then that kind of supports my theory about the armor's memories being that of the Old Iron King.

Throw a coin a take a I guess, that how DS2 lore is for me.

Me, all day.

 

[ElFly]

What bothers me about the names of Jeigh, Orro and Vammar is that they exist in a vacuum. We know nothing else about these figures. Are they the dudes who killed these giants we see and access, or are they the Giants?

Probably the latter. Urgh. This game needs a loreguide.

They are clearly the memories of the trees, which are the corpses of the dead giants.

 

[Mistel]

Well then, maybe the duel took place after The Old Iron King's rise to power, who proved his worth as king to Sir Alonne, who then left? I dunno .

If one ever happened at all.

Throw a coin a take a I guess, that how DS2 lore is for me.

Welcome to Drangleic where the lore is made up and the plot doesn't matter... And I understand too much of it.

 

[Mt Heart Attack]

He forged several links at the Citadel before "getting bored", maybe he forged a valyrian steel link... Or a silver link, enabling him to use healing (lol). I'd be okay with him using the mists, anyway.

This is what I have so for my Oberyn build



Character creation is a pain in the ass to use lol

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This is what I have so for my Oberyn build



Character creation is a pain in the ass to use lol

Wow, fantastic job on the face!
I'm thinking the Tseldora robes might fit him pretty well, at least the chest piece. They're a pain to farm though, unless you can murder Maughlin... >_> but then you better hope he doesn't sell boss armour pieces you'd need.

 

[Screaming Meat]

That's the first time I've heard this theory. That couldn't be the case, however. It seems to be simply a memory of the old Iron King, and not Sir Alonne. When he left, he simply left his armor and weapon, aswell.

Sir Alonne came to this land from the east,
chose to serve a little-known and unestablished
lord, and helped him become the Old Iron King.

Then, at the very peak of his sire's rule,
Sir Alonne set out again, in search of
lands yet unknown.

You see, I don't see this description as simple at all. It's incredibly evocative. For starters, I think that bolded bit is a metaphor for death. The player kills Sir Alonne and The Old Iron King lies about what happened to him for the morale of his troops and to keep his enemies at bay, takes his armour and builds a private memorial. Considering Sir Alonne almost single handedIy helped established The Old Iron King as a credible leader it would be fair enough reason to do so.

Here's my take on memories: We never see the owner of the memory in the memory, except Vendrick and the Dragon (who is dead). We never see anything from their perspective, only our own. The memory is a residue, a weakening of time. I suggest that the player uses memories as a "device" to literally travel to the past, but isn't necessarily in the memory of whatever is remembering... If you catch my drift.

It explains how we can have killed the Giant Lord, how we can bring objects back from the past or leave them in the memory, why we see our character physically disappear into memories, why we can die in there, and why we can visit the memory of something that was already dead.

We're told that he left but his set might function like the king set where that's a memory portal thingy.

Right, but he's not gonna bugger off naked and unarmed, is he? XD

The King's Set is attached to the King's memory, right? Each of the Giant's tree corpses have their memories too. Why is this memory attached to something that isn't as directly related to The Old Iron King himself?

 

[Ruuppa]

*cough* ....

You know what I mean

 

[Iva Demilcol]

And how do you explain the memory of the ancient dragon? he's already dead and there are no witnesses around him... except you.

The whole "memory of the old iron king" doesn't make much sense unless it was the "memory of Sir Alonne"... but that could've ruined the surprise to fight him.

 

[ElFly]

It's a Souls game, they will never tell you directly that Lordran is Drangleic, but they strongly suggested that. The first flame is there (The last Sinner tried to light it), the souls of Lord Gwyn, Sith, Nito and the witch of Izalith are there, the servants of Nito are there as well, you can see the remains of an everlasting Dragon, you know that many kingdoms have risen and fallen in that place (Lordran being the first), the remains of the Lord Vessel are there, the remains of the abyss are there... and so on.



The Vinheim theory was one of the first that was discarded because the description of the ring said "This ring was used in the same land where Drangleic is now", the ring was made in Vinheim but we know for sure that it was actively used in Lordran since we were the ones who used it.

Still, Drangleic is another land, but that's because nobody knows it's Lordran.

Drangleic IS Lordran, but you have to remember that DS1 takes place around Anor Londo's castle, in a very confined place, and DS2 takes place along a whole country.

So it is completely possible Vinheim was a small part of the land called now Drangleic.


re: memories of the old iron king; my take is that the old iron king went in search of Sir Alonne, found him on a place far away, and killed him. Probably with the help of Gwyn's Soul he was able to take on the knight that previously had carried him to victory. Why? Probably Old Iron King was becoming more and more ambitious, and was threatening whatever place Sir Alonne had established himself. Afterwards, OIK brought back Alonne's armor as a memento.

 

[Deadpandas]

How much is the dlc on 360?

 

[Screaming Meat]

And how do you explain the memory of the ancient dragon? he's already dead and there are no witnesses around him... except you.

The whole "memory of the old iron king" doesn't make much sense unless it was the "memory of Sir Alonne"... but that could've ruined the surprise to fight him.

I got ya covered.

 

[Mt Heart Attack]

Wow, fantastic job on the face!
I'm thinking the Tseldora robes might fit him pretty well, at least the chest piece. They're a pain to farm though, unless you can murder Maughlin... >_> but then you better hope he doesn't sell boss armour pieces you'd need.

Thanks! It took quite a while lol

The winged spear already was troublesome to get, I was almost running out of mobs in the forest when it finally dropped. Now I gotta find the shortest route to the Door of Pharros to get the Santier's Spear. These ordinary spears are nowhere near stylish enough. I'm thinking fragrant branch of yore in Sinner's Rise and then off to the Shaded Woods.

Tseldora robe should fit him quite well yeah.

 

[v1perz53]

Going through the first DLC again is bringing back bad memories. Mobs with tons of poise and unparryable attacks? My favorite! Why not give them a good chunk of HP and make them come in large groups too! Oh you did? Excellent.

I like a lot of the parts of the DLC but it definitely didn't start strong for me.

 

[Mistel]

Right, but he's not gonna bugger off naked and unarmed, is he? XD

The King's Set is attached to the King's memory, right? Each of the Giant's tree corpses have their memories too. Why is this memory attached to something that isn't as directly related to The Old Iron King himself?

We have no idea if they're replicas or not. It could be like the ironclads where it was was sentient armor that the Iron king made. Who knows?

And how do you explain the memory of the ancient dragon? he's already dead and there are no witnesses around him... except you.

That's its corpse that was used as a nest.

 

[Screaming Meat]

We have no idea if they're replicas or not. It could be like the ironclads where it was was sentient armor that the Iron king made. Who knows?

I don't think so. Is there anything to suggest that is the case with Alonne's armour?

That's its corpse that was used as a nest.

The one in the actual memory is dead. How does that work?

 

[Mistel]

I don't think so. Is there anything to suggest that is the case with Alonne's armour?

That it's a replica? Not really no other than the fact he left at the height of the iron kings reign with no mention of him ever coming back.

The one in the actual memory is dead. How does that work?

Maybe it's due to that crystal thing that you interact with to access the memory?

How much is the dlc on 360?

It's £7.99 here.