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Dark Souls II |OT| The Dark Souls of Dark Souls
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Yeah I'm not expecting anything life changing, which I guess is partly where I'm coming from. From the bit of streams I've watched, the game looks better to me than prior iterations. And there were a lot of "grey" and bland environments in those too. But this is a huge game with areas I'm sure (most) people haven't even seen yet, especially just from watching streams.
As I've said before, your mileage will vary. I'm fully aware of what compression does to a game's image quality.
I stand by everything I've said. I've replayed the Souls games very recently, it's all fresh in memory. Some of the stuff in DS1 isn't incredibly attractive but none of it looked anywhere near as bad as some of what I've seen in DS2. I'm sure some people will disagree of course.
I had some of the same visual complaints in the Beta actually, I wasn't a fan of the Huntsman Copse or whatever it's called. It was thoroughly uninspiring but it didn't look awful. I think some of the stuff I've seen on that stream looked straight up bad. It made that area look good in retrospect.
I don't see the point in arguing further before the game launches and we can post direct feed shots and all that jazz though. I'm aware that the stream guy might have had the gamma jacked up or something similar which doesn't help but the problems would still be there regardless.
I'm sure this is going to be analyzed to death come next week so let's just wait until then!
I hope I've atleast managed to make my position very clear. I still think the game looks fun and I'm still buying it on PS3 next week!
I'm just very much bothered by certain aspects of it from what I've seen. I'm not trying to turn people off or kill the hype, it's not going to be a bad game people!
I appreciate the fact that the game isn't out yet and that my opinion can't be fully formed at this point but I don't think I'm spewing hyperbole or just straight up bashing the game. That's not the point here, I'm a fan of the series and want DS2 to be amazing just like everyone else.
I know people get invested in these games (I do too) so I understand that it can sound frustrating to hear negative opinions about something you're looking forward to. I just felt like I needed to talk about this stuff here because trying to bring up this topic anywhere else just leads to lots of name calling and pure hate. I still feel like I've seen enough to be able to discuss certain aspects of the final build and that's what I was trying to do here.
That's all there is to it!
I was talking particularly the spot in Dark Root Basin near the Hydra, where you climb a latter, cross a river that literally looks like a N64 texture floating by. The other areas of the forest aren't bad, although the spot where you go over to the big cats is pretty bad. Hit detection is terrible there and frame rate takes a big nose dive just because of those creatures. The game is extremely rough in some areas, and I think people mostly remember the best areas in Dark Souls, and forget about this shitty ones besides Blighttown which really isn't that bad besides the framerate.
Necromanti
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Thanks. This is applicable to both the 360 and PS3 versions, right? I wouldn't expect much difference between the two.
The_Hitcher89
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How have the stream reactions overnight gone from 'it looks like the sequel we all wanted' to 'ugly, one-dimensional, poorly designed mess with an abysmal framerate'?
I've noticed the same trend haha
Garcia
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Holy crap. Thank you for posting that.
Lambda Pie
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my humble (non-spoiler) opinion, after watching many hours, is that the game definitely looks easier that DS1.
SargerusBR
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I agree.
Dang so he's saying single digits in areas with a lot of lighting? I've haven't seen that in the streams but I haven't played it. Hopefully it's not that bad.
Necromanti
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Couple that with it being both the hardest and the easiest Souls game of all time, and we have the game in a nutshell.
Those are my impressions as well.
Welp, pre-order cancelled.
Yeah I'm waiting to get my hands on the game to form my own opinion. People's opinions are all over the place.
Agreed on Blighttown. The area gets a lot of shit despite being great once you get the framerate in order. It's not as good as the Valley of Defilement, but it's got a really neat complex structure and tons of treasures to find.
well, i havent preorderd yet (i had i semi-bad feeling playing the beta) and i will wait till the reviews and especially the gaffers opinion drop. looking at my backlog i have no reason to rush....
yep im kinda worried about DS2 and its a sad feeling. :-(
SargerusBR
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Indeed, but from what i have seen that guy is hyperboling quite a bit
Is this your impression or someone elses?
Been watching streams for about 4 days and can't say much about the environments (I think they look fine), but what I do have to say is the game is larger than I had ever imagined. You are getting your money's worth in terms of content for sure. This game is easily more than double the size of Dark Souls 1 with DLC.
Yeah, I think things are getting a bit blown out of proportion here myself. Who knows, it could be disappointing though. Every impression before this thread from people that had played seemed positive.
Lol, we've literally heard people say both extremes, as well as the graphics look like shit/look great.
My head is gonna explode! ha ha.
Freezasaurus
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Agreed. I mean, I won't avoid a game just because someone else doesn't seem to like it, but if there are technical issues present that make it a struggle to even play the game, then I might have to pass.
Well, if it was mine I wouldn't put it in quotes.
Garcia
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I'm honestly glad I kept myself away from the hype all this time. I was starting to get excited earlier today having read that Famitsu review but now I'm keeping myself at bay until the game gets released.
I won't double dip and if the console version is as bad a some people are making it look, I will wait for the PC release instead.
Some people quote their old posts when they repeat something so I was just being sure. Anyway, the comment about gameplay was extremely vague and one could easily come up with something like that for Dark Souls.
'Every time you turn around a corner there are 2-3 hollow soldiers/lizards etc. standing waiting. And oh wait, there's another hiding in the opposite corner!' etc.
Screaming Meat
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It's not unheard of (at least at the end of last gen) for a game to take a downgrade from their demo's quality. Demo's are smaller and much more controlled.
I'm still excited, honestly, and these negative comments come off as really wonky to me. Not that the game won't have faults, but I expect it to be at least in a similar manner to Dark Souls. I've seen enough of the stream as well to know what it's going to look like, and I was not disappointed in the environments, animations, graphics, or enemy placement. It seemed like another Souls game.
That being said, I'm looking forward to DS II but I wasn't super extremely hyped for the past few weeks, but after hearing about it and watching it my hype has only increased.
Oh yeah. Some people start playing games with the mindset that the game is going to be bad. Unless the game is absolutely the opposite of what they expect, everything that's not too great about the game will reinforce their preconceptions. The exact same thing happens the other way around as well, some people will start playing a game wanting it to be excellent and turn a blind eye to its faults (as long as it's not completely terrible).
It's always hard to know whether the opinions you read before launch are due to one of those two modes of behaviour, or whether they come from people that don't really have any preconceptions. Once more people start playing the game you get a better picture.
yeah, I just woke up and Im like "WTF happened here" reading the last pages lol
abstract alien
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Anyone share some info on exactly how the invasion rate will be. Will pretty much always be someone in your game now, once you are invaded, you can't be invaded again for a set amount of time? How does it work in that regard.
That lighting's not the same > it looked different in press demo > everything looks dreary and grey > everything looks bad > this game is terrible > this game fails on every level
We're doing the Statler and Waldorf sketch.
Garcia
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You forgot: > Pre-order cancelled.
Psycho_Mantis
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I will now be paying attention to reviews. If this is true FROM has royally fucked up.
Yes but this was like 6 months ago. DS2 does not look like a graphically intensive game. PS360 should be able to handle it fine. We have also seen better lighting on PS360 games. Something has happened and I do not believe it to be hardware related at all.
And you can be glad you're on Neogaf and not on IGN or you'd get "> I'll download it, I'm not gonna give my money to lazy devs"
Seems like negativity can be a very infectious disease .
ill reserve judgement for when i get it myself .
Psycho_Mantis
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Posts like this should be banned. Who has said the following? Or are you just being hyperbolic to undermine the criticisms made by people who have played the game and watched the streams. If you don't believe it fair enough.
Screaming Meat
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Why, what do you think it is?
The only other OT I've followed as closely was probably GTA V. The same sort of shifting of opinions happened there too. I personally think it was one of the best looking and most playable games of the generation, so I'll reserve all judgements on DS 2 until I get my mitts on it.
This goes both ways guys, you need to read what people are actually writing instead of just latching on to certain parts.
Some of you talk about hyperbole but I've never once said that I thought the game was crap or terrible or the worst thing ever. I'm not in a position to judge many of its aspects yet anyway. I've only talked about certain aspects of it being questionable/not up to par and made sure to acknowledge the fact that some people won't see it that way. It's just MY opinion, it shouldn't mean that much to anyone beyond just being food for thought.
I've tried to make sure that I didn't come off as a blind hater but it seems some people still see it that way. I guess strong emotional reactions are to be expected. If you're hyped about playing more Dark Souls you can safely stay hyped. It's more Dark Souls and alot of it from what I've seen.
I'm excited for the PVP aspects and all the covenant stuff, the environments are pretty boxy and wide, lots of room to PVP and the dedicated servers worked really well in the Beta atleast. That aspect of the game is probably going to be really solid at the very least!
Some of you talk about hyperbole but I've never once said that I thought the game was crap or terrible or the worst thing ever. I'm not in a position to judge many of its aspects yet anyway. I've only talked about certain aspects of it being questionable/not up to par and made sure to acknowledge the fact that some people won't see it that way. It's just MY opinion, it shouldn't mean that much to anyone beyond just being food for thought.
I've tried to make sure that I didn't come off as a blind hater but it seems some people still see it that way. I guess strong emotional reactions are to be expected. If you're hyped about playing more Dark Souls you can safely stay hyped. It's more Dark Souls and alot of it from what I've seen.
I'm excited for the PVP aspects and all the covenant stuff, the environments are pretty boxy and wide, lots of room to PVP and the dedicated servers worked really well in the Beta atleast. That aspect of the game is probably going to be really solid at the very least!
No, it shouldn't be banned. It was basically an overall direction of how the thread has gone. Poster was pretty accurate, even if there's a little bit of an exaggeration. Ever since the lighting thing as been known, it as if the game is the ugliest thing to grace video gaming. Or at least people speak in that hyperbolic fashion when they really don't mean it. Pretty shortly after that posts about the game being rough, badly designed, etc. started popping up, although they may not be directly related.
Anyway, the mood of the discussion changes with the drop of a hat so I don't really care all that much. We'll be playing the game soon enough so we will find out for ourselves then. I'm satisfied with what I have seen so far.
Psycho_Mantis
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Cute. Why don't you try answering my question? Who has said that? I want you to quote them.
1) I have seen that exact place look great with the demo lighting on PS3 6 months ago. Ran fine.
2) The beta had great lighting as well and ran fine
3) There are games out there that are more graphically intensive, have better lighting engines and run decent on ps360.
If the downgrade was done for a stable FR I can understand. However from what people have been saying FR is even worse.
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