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Dark Souls III |OT+2| Why Can't We Poise the Game?
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Tarkus
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What about the stupid parry?
Meccs
Member
You can't spam Caestus anymore. The recovery time is equal to small shields.
Also they didn't do anything to straight swords. You still get spammed to death.
Dicked around a bit exploring Firelink Shrine (Andre's accent is hilarious by the way)
and the High Wall of Lothric (headphones warning at the end, might be slightly louder than you expect): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvWXAAGrF5Q&list=PLnhwVsYSH1o1jW-5r-UfCbFz4VcQalzj5&index=4
FROMSoft aren't afraid of throwing you in the deep end, eh? Fucking
and the High Wall of Lothric (headphones warning at the end, might be slightly louder than you expect): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvWXAAGrF5Q&list=PLnhwVsYSH1o1jW-5r-UfCbFz4VcQalzj5&index=4
FROMSoft aren't afraid of throwing you in the deep end, eh? Fucking
dragons in the first proper area you get to explore. At least it's useful to kill the common mooks, it'd be a pain to fight past them every time. I feel like the knight had a deceptively long range to his attacks, I suppose the hitbox extends to the very tip of the sword.
Also, fuck that goddamn mimic right at the end, just when I was saying they wouldn't put one in so early. Unbelievable.
Also, fuck that goddamn mimic right at the end, just when I was saying they wouldn't put one in so early. Unbelievable.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Watchdogs are flowing pretty well at level 30 with +2 weapon.
It's much easier to punish R1 spammers now though.
Tarkus
Member
Called it
Meccs
Member
How so? (I haven't played enough yet)
KittenMaster
Member
Straight sword nerf = buff to pve difficulty, since that's what most people use
It's easier to get behind them because they can't roll out of the way immediately.
I still prefer parrying them with the Hornet Ring.
The change will practically have no impact on PvE.
SpiralZilla
Member
I can't find the OT for Dark Souls 1 and I don't know where else to put this. I started Dark Souls a couple days ago and was looking forward to the claw weapons, but I keep reading about how much they suck. Is there a way to make them viable, and how do they compare to something like daggers and katanas? Could they be worked into a poisoner build at the same time? Do they get better in Dark Souls 2 and 3? This is for single player.
Red Liquorice
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755000
How much they suck is down to how much like the moveset or not. Any way to make them viable would just be by increasing the stats they scale with. I suppose you could use poison resin if you wanted to a poison build and then also use poison/toxic pyro and consumables to compliment. You can't infuse weapons with poison like in 2 and 3.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Pretty decent and fair critique of dark souls III pvp as it exists right now.
I'd like to see some changes implemented to change things up and disrupt the current meta. Cestus, estoc, and straight sword nerfs are a step in the right direction.
I'd like to see some changes implemented to change things up and disrupt the current meta. Cestus, estoc, and straight sword nerfs are a step in the right direction.
AuthenticM
Member
Do you mean Thrusting Swords?
Meccs
Member
No, straight swords like the Dark Sword. People say they nerfed the recovery speed but it isn't noticeable in game. If they did adjust anything it must be a very minor change.
Hitokiri03
Member
Nope
The frame rate still shit, the funny thing is if you disconnects the PS4 from the Internet, the performance improves.
The frame rate still shit, the funny thing is if you disconnects the PS4 from the Internet, the performance improves.
I just want patch 1.03 level of performance
Are you saying that I was R1 spamming? I did 2 R1s at most. I was mixing is up with charged R2s, charged R2s into R2, and weapon arts. R1 spammers are ridiculously easy to beat unless you're getting ganked.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Noooo not caestus nerf just as I start using them
...Are you new to Souls games?
Noooo not caestus nerf just as I start using them
The nerf is only to the parry frames if you offhand it, if you're using them as a weapon they aren't changed.
Tarkus
Member
You know it's a problem when 3/5 people have an offhand Caestus in PvPNoooo not caestus nerf just as I start using them
KittenMaster
Member
I thought they actually buffed the damage on it?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is the parry starting frame nerfed or is the frame duration?
The first one is terrible, the second one reasonable.
The first one is terrible, the second one reasonable.
Tarkus
Member
I hope it's the former. It's not logical that a glove can parry my large sword.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
And a small leather nipple shield doesn't make much more sense either.
After trying it myself seems is the second one, at least the second one is a sure thing.
Edit: Why people needs to summon 3 people the beat a damn boss?, most of the time it makes the fight to chaotic. There's a dude right now that is going in circles trying to get the 3rd summon for several minutes already.
Jellycrackers
Member
Reading about changes to caestus parry and straight sword recovery times is making me worry...
Does this mean I can't parry the 3rd attack in an R1 spam from a straight sword with 100% consitency anymore with the caestus? Logging on to check is out right now... That was my ultimate anti-gank move D:
Does this mean I can't parry the 3rd attack in an R1 spam from a straight sword with 100% consitency anymore with the caestus? Logging on to check is out right now... That was my ultimate anti-gank move D:
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Parrying with the Manikin Claws seems fine, I don't think they reduced the parrying frames.
Although better testing is needed, it works fine on Dark Sword R1 spammers, haven't tested it on more skilled players.
EDIT: I think parrying with fist weapons is trash now, I tried parrying an invader that had a moonlight greatsword, the parrying frames seem to be as bad as standard shiels.
Although better testing is needed, it works fine on Dark Sword R1 spammers, haven't tested it on more skilled players.
EDIT: I think parrying with fist weapons is trash now, I tried parrying an invader that had a moonlight greatsword, the parrying frames seem to be as bad as standard shiels.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
All people back to nipple shields...shit.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Pfft, Fashion Souls or else.
Those parrying shields are ugly as hell, I refuse to use them.
With that being said, take my testing with a grain of salt, I tested it on one invader, lag or server issues could be involved.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
True.
I also use caestus to mix things. Is a decent alternative weapon, if you use big and slow things, since give you options when you are pressured.
I lost 3 million Souls because from decided that you drop your souls when you die in invasions, I don't know whose bright idea was it.
My fault for rushing towards my souls running past 3 Pontiff Knights, who proceeded to wreck me, but dropping souls on invasions is a terrible idea, I don't have time to navigate towards my souls every time I lose an invasion.
My fault for rushing towards my souls running past 3 Pontiff Knights, who proceeded to wreck me, but dropping souls on invasions is a terrible idea, I don't have time to navigate towards my souls every time I lose an invasion.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah it's annoying. I typically clear the map of mobs before starting to invade but it's a bit tedious. Sometimes when invading in the dungeon, if the host made it as far as the capital and down that big-ass ladder, I just black crystal out. If I die down there I don't want to climb down that ladder, pick up my stain and climb back up to return to the dungeon where I want to be invading. :\
DarkHeartedKill
Member
NOOOOOOOO! I liked doing cartweels
. It's my entering move from Fight Clubs, when it's my turn I just do the cartwheel then I fall down, it looks super silly lol.Ah I get you now. If I can still do my silly cartwheel I don't mind, but that's a reasonable comprimise for weapons that need FP to actually work, like warcry I think.
Heh, first time I went in I was like...really? Another homage to Orinstien? Then I saw armour and was like I wonder if it's empty? Soul item confirmed it
. To make invading punishable? People would just invade near their bonfire and if they die, there is absolutely no consequence because they just pick up their souls right away. Now you have a semi-punishment(unless you're like me who isn't leveling anymore and has wasted well over 10million souls on consumables
). Didn't DaS 1 do that with a hellkite? AND put a demon as a tutorial boss? Come on man! Get it together!
Anyways, logged into Dark Souls 3 super excited to see how many arrows one can carry:
99/99
99/600
My heart shattered ;_;
Dragonslayer armor isn't even Ornstein's armor so it's not really a homage in the sense unlike the dark Ornstein from two who was much more a homage.Heh, first time I went in I was like...really? Another homage to Orinstien? Then I saw armour and was like I wonder if it's empty? Soul item confirmed it
To make invading punishable? People would just invade near their bonfire and if they die, there is absolutely no consequence because they just pick up their souls right away. Now you have a semi-punishment(unless you're like me who isn't leveling anymore and has wasted well over 10million souls on consumables
Do invaders really need punishing, though? They invade a world with 70% less health, half their estus flasks, often fighting against 2+ people.
Good players probably have a ~30% success rate against ganks, and they're gonna have to slog their way to the blood stain 7 out of every 10 invasions, the average player probably has ~10% success rate (maybe even less).
It's extremely annoying when retrieving your blood stain takes longer than an actual invasion, it doesn't add a challenge, it doesn't make you learn anything, all it does is is make losing invasions extremely annoying.
Jellycrackers
Member
So far it seems like my caestus parrying the 3rd R1 of an R1 spam isn't working anymore... Gonna keep trying. But I was doing it with 100% consistency on my other character only yesterday...
That doesn't bode well for my Kylo Ren cosplay invader character... Kylo Ren don't use no shields!
That doesn't bode well for my Kylo Ren cosplay invader character... Kylo Ren don't use no shields!
KittenMaster
Member
I just realized that I've been jumping off a small cliff onto an empty cart most of the times I wanted to go to the tower in Undead Settlement.
Time to put a message: "assassin only shortcut"
Time to put a message: "assassin only shortcut"
I thought Kylo Ren was
one of the guys you fight right after Pontiff, the one with the Kylo Ren hair and the Drang armor and the Drang Spears.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I thought that was Jon Snow.
Then again, I also thought Kylo Ren looked like a Jon Snow who had melted, so...
DarkHeartedKill
Member
looool. I see it now, can't believe I didn't see it before.
Well, yeah. That's not really a punishment, it's an inconvenience. If you die due to having less health, less Estus, and ganked but be able to pick up your souls up right after you just lost some time. Now you're at risk of losing souls. You could always put down an invasion sign to have honour duels. Unless you're the type of person that likes to hault the players progression
!Well I meant it as in I walked in and saw the name. It also didn't help that it looked very similar to him and I went into panic mode because he hits like a truck.
Well, yeah. That's not really a punishment, it's an inconvenience. If you die due to having less health, less Estus, and ganked but be able to pick up your souls up right after you just lost some time. Now you're at risk of losing souls. You could always put down an invasion sign to have honour duels. Unless you're the type of person that likes to hault the players progression
I like fighting ganks, I lose most of the time, but it's fun.
I use duels to test out new builds/weapons though.
KittenMaster
Member
Is this just placebo or did they finally fix the plunge attack animation? Before your weapon didn't come out until the exact frame you the ground, but now I'm noticing skid marks as a weapon scrapes against the wall.
Melchiah
Member
If so, I'm glad I just finished the game. PVP alterations should never affect PVE in any way.