33-Hit-Combo
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So my PS3 died, no longer will I be able to speed roll with the Dragon tooth and Havel/Ornstein's armour 
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H_Prestige
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You can buy purging stones from the merchant in the firelink sewers.
CountAntonius
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I died like 5 times to him yesterday like 6 times till I discovered this and went on to beat him very easily.
It's not a troll. That's what I did in my 1st run. Got cursed first time by Seath so I went to New Londo.
Being cursed allowed me to kill the ghosts and went to the man dressed in red who not only cured me but also gave me the key to open the flood gate.
It was awesome and I don't think I would find it as awesome if I did it the same boring way I do it right now...
Actually I think they should make going to New Londo the only way to cure yourself from curse. That would make the game much more intense especially if you get cursed very early in the game.
On a side note, I beat the game like 15 times and last night Seath kicked my ass once more. He enjoys doing that to me every time. I rather get stomped by his tail or fail miserably to heal when flooded by his crystal breath :|
Equip the ring that boosts critical damage and a weapon with highest damage you have. Parry him to death. I used black knight and black knight great sword 4 shot him
You ask a lot of separate questions here and I will try not to double sullichims answers.....First, yes Seath is resistant to magic, but not lightning or fire. He is an easy boss if not preoccupied with the tail. Sullichins method works well I hear, and have seen it done on you tube, but the guy there had Queelags Fury Sword....sharp, cutting weapons do get a bosst and make tail chops easier. I have always used co-op to get the tail. AS long as you tell the co-op guy or gal via message what you want (and not to kill seath outright) AND also instruct them where to stand if htey don['t know, then it is easy.....if you do not get a player who knows to stand OPPOSITE to you it can be frustrating...unless you kep seath in the middle of the area he will not even show his tail and you will get frustrated. Look for helpers at the last bonfire in the Archives that looks over the treed area before the caves.....tonnes of action when I played...most players know that the tail and magic walkways for noobs is a cool place to help out so you should still get some action, particularllry if you are weary of japanese time zone hot times.
See You Next Wednesday
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It is if you are a completionist or want some cool looking armor (or want to do some exploits).
valentine71
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Yes, even if imo Dark Souls is superior in every way to Demon's Souls. (By the way i think US servers for the game are going down on June 30 or something so, try to get an EU or Asia version)
Yes- it is a really great game. I find that I like Dark Souls' design choices more overall, but DeS is the same level of quality as this game. However, the servers for online play in the American version are shutting down on May 31 -- the game has different servers per region unlike Dark Souls. The European and Asian versions don't have an announced shut off date and are maintained by different companies than the American version. So, if you're in NA you might get more mileage out of the online in that game if you buy the European or Chinese (specifically chinese because it has english text) version.
CountAntonius
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Well i'm torn. Hit 115. 5 levels to go on my pvp dex build and i'm not sure weather or not to sink them into vitality or attunement.
It's basically one more slot(have 3) vs 100 extra hp(have 1386).
I mostly only use my weapon buffs in PVP. WOG feels way to cheap for me to utilize in pvp.
It's basically one more slot(have 3) vs 100 extra hp(have 1386).
I mostly only use my weapon buffs in PVP. WOG feels way to cheap for me to utilize in pvp.
There's a difference between spamming WOG and using it strategically among your other attacks. With one more slot you'd only get 3 casts of WOG, and many players know how to dodge it. I find it most useful when I catch a weak opponent off guard with it because I haven't been using it previously in the fight.
CountAntonius
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I know it's valid if you don't spam it but I just prefer swordfighting to spells. When I start fumbling about with spells I tend to do worse.
Demon's and Dark have their own benefits compared to each other, but there is a reason why Dark Souls had a lot of pre-orders....Demon's will go down in history as one of the best video games of all time in my mind, even better than Dark, just because it was first. The virgin expereince for the best ARPG mindset ever can never be taken away from demons. Perhpas if I played Dark first, I wouldn't feel so nostalgic; but Demon's is a great fucking game...and if you liked the souls experience with Dark you will like Demon's close to the same. Even the witcher series tried (and almost did it but failed) to come close to the combat system of Dark and demon's is no different ...the combat is the same. If you crave more Dark you will get it in Demon's ....awesome bosses, best co-op ever, etc, etc. No self respecting Dark souls enthusiast can call themselves a fan of FROM unless they have spent a few hours with Flamelurker or Maneater...come to thnink of it, there have been all kinds of lists created to rank the bosses in both games....Sif, and Orn and Smu are high up, as are queelag and gargoyles...but ohter than that the rest are all from DEmon's and most agree False King Allant is still the best of all time. Best is linked to difficulty for me so consider this in the list that follows.....I can't find a link here at work but here is my personal ranking of all bosses in both series:
1.) King Allant 1B) Old Monk ***
2.) Flamelurker
3.) Sif
4.) Iron Knight
5.) Orn and Smu
6.) Gargoyles
7.) Iron Knight
8.) Penetrator
9.) Maneaters
10.) Queelag
*** depends on who you get that invades but some of the most epic and fair PVP ever.
Aside from perhas Old Hero, Adjudicator, Storm king and Taurus which are middle ofthe road, Ok Gwynn is not terrible but surely a let down as the end boss...the others in BOTH games suck in compariosn to this list. Old monk NPc version sucks.
PLus ALL the demi bosses in Demons are better, all the black phantom fights are tough and almost as tough as the bosses....not so in Dark...REmember that many said DEmon's was too tough so they nerfed a lot of the experperience owing to that criticism...unnecessarily I might add. Mildred, Kirk, Painted guy for get his name, and Leroy are virtual OHK....every black phantom fight in Demon's is WAAAY tougher....and there a re too many to list.
GEez now you got me started! THE "feel" for each new area you explore and find was maintianed in Dark, but not improved upon except for sen's...the first few interactions in levels 3.1., 3.2 and 4.2 of Demons are pretty high up there with sen's and ANor londo...SEns is my favourite dungeon of any video game ever though. Even the valley of defilement and blighttown have thier place and if you have only done blighttown and not the orignal valley.....you are only half as experienced in that style of world.....
THe point is that FROM has kicked every other RPG developer in the A$$ and it started with Demons.
You can summon SOlaire as soon as you get off the bridged walkways ot the left. BUt only if you kept his story goign properly. Having SOlaire as a distraction (he doesn't hit that hard) was all I needed to push me over the edge as I could usulaly only get one parry in per attempt.
Ghost_Protocol
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Does Pyromancy casting speed scale with Dex? And if so, at what point do you start seeing diminishing returns?
I agree with most of this.
Here is my personal top bosses:
1)King Allant
2) Old Monk
3) 4 Kings
4) Penetrator
5) Maiden Astrea
6) Tower Knight
7) Iron Golem
8) Gwyn
9) Gaping Dragon
10) Flamelurker
11) Orstein and Smough
12) Seath the Scaleless
13) Maneaters
They did it before with the magnificent Shadow Tower.
It scales up to 45, then stops completely. Here's a video showing the difference in casting speeds from 31-46: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfPcu_B0nQ
MIND = BLOWN.
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Female undead merchant isn't that far from the basilisks in The Depths, man-eating clams drop Purging Stones in Ask Lake and Crystal Cave, both near the other places you can get cursed.
You are right. I missed the female undead merchant. Backtracked all the way to the Parish from the Depths to get rid of the curse.
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Gaping Demon fight was awesome. Really awesome. Loved it. Now it's time to get that damn Butterfly I guess.
Also, I don't even want to know what is a man-eating clam.
InfiniDragon
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They did it a hell of a long time before that, King's Field series.
My top ten boss list from Demon's/Dark in order of epicness:
1. O&S
2. Flamelurker
3. Tower Knight
4. Old Monk
5. Gwyn (would be 1st if not for parries)
6. Sif
7. Iron Golem
8. King Allant
9. Maiden Astraea/Garl Vinland
10. Seath the Scaleless
Oh, and one more thing. Hellkite Drake in NG and onward >>>>>> any BP in Demon's. That dude is crazy hard to kill, even when you cheat and shoot at his tail all day.
We're doing the boss rank thing? Ah hell. Something like this:
Idk, BP Satsuki rushing you right from the beginning of 4-1 is pretty tough. Plus they put BPs in your path on your way to bosses. The dragon's easily avoidable and not even really worth killing
- Ornstein and Smough
- Gaping Dragon
- Maneater
- Flamelurker
- Quelaag
- Gwyn
- Maiden Astrea / Garl Vinland (I'll admit the music / dialogue plays a big part in this)
- Four Kings
- False King Allant
- Seath
Idk, BP Satsuki rushing you right from the beginning of 4-1 is pretty tough. Plus they put BPs in your path on your way to bosses. The dragon's easily avoidable and not even really worth killing
Thagomizer
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So, I know that this is massively LTTP and everyone probably knows this, but Gwyn was supposed to be harder to parry and the creator wasn't very happy that you can basically just parry him to death like it ain't no thang.
Are they going to be tweaking this for the PC release? Because, for whatever reason, I just could NOT get the timing window for him down and he kept breakin' my balls as it was
Are they going to be tweaking this for the PC release? Because, for whatever reason, I just could NOT get the timing window for him down and he kept breakin' my balls as it was
320 overall but it has to go through two defensive stats (physical and lightning). if you have a weapon does 320 pure physical damage, it will do more damage to most enemies than the lightning spear.
I have True Greatsword of Artorias (Physical and Magical damage) and Great Lord Greatsword (Physical only) both doing about 530 total damage, but the Great Lord usually do more damage to enemies than Artorias
Thanks. So far what I've used it on in Sen's fortress it did pretty bad compared to my raw halberd +2.
I managed to clear the iron golem in 3 tries. Would have been 1 but even though I was completely behind him when he went to grab (usually around 20% health) he warped in front of me at the last second and slammed me down. Both times he did that was near a ledge and I fell while getting up. He was a really easy boss other than those glitches though.
I hope I can find this supposed smith that's in anor londo. I want to make quelaag's furysword.
InfiniDragon
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Bah, real men use Chaos Blades.
Joking, even though I actually do use Chaos Blade.
The smith is near the boss, up a long flight of stairs in a large room.
Exams finally over and I managed to play. Cleared Sens Fortress, made it to Anor Londo and beat Ornstein and Smough the first try with coop. Man coop is so fun. Its the only time I win invasions >_< Anor Londo scares the crap outta me, like most of the game, but here especially cause the frequent invasions and my inability to fight in PvP especially with that delay.
Also, how do I get the Dark Woodgrain Ring? I'm using a Dex build and I want to be a ninja. I always get lost in the forest or raped by the giants.
Also, any gear I should aim for? Using Balder Side Sword +9 with that Stamina regen shield +1. I'm using the silver knight armor right now minus the helm so I can move mid speed.
Any tips general?
My stats are something like
16 str
30.dex
27 end
23.vital
Level 52
Sorry for.bad grammar. On phone.
Also, how do I get the Dark Woodgrain Ring? I'm using a Dex build and I want to be a ninja. I always get lost in the forest or raped by the giants.
Also, any gear I should aim for? Using Balder Side Sword +9 with that Stamina regen shield +1. I'm using the silver knight armor right now minus the helm so I can move mid speed.
Any tips general?
My stats are something like
16 str
30.dex
27 end
23.vital
Level 52
Sorry for.bad grammar. On phone.
Cloudius12
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You need to join the Forest Covenant to get the Dark Woodgrain ring. It involves attacking a certain member of the covenant. You should look it up in the wiki for more info.
I know that but I don't know how to get there lol. I don't like using maps, only in dire situations where I've cried for 20 mins. I come to you all for directions as to avoid spoilers.
Cloudius12
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You didn't post anything specific!
Just to cover all the bases: Just directions that are spoiled.
To the forest covenant: The path by Andre of Astora (blacksmith) leads to the forest area in which you should purchase the crest from him for 20K souls. Follow the path til you get to a strange door. Left of door is a hidden bonfire. Open door and there will be NPC that will attack you if you go out there. Once killed, make your way straight through without turning to a stone door way. Inside, at the left is a cat. Join the covenant.
Getting the ring:
A npc named Shiva (he sells stuff too) will appear in Blighttown under the spinning wheel elevator. Behind the wall where Shiva is leading on, the slightly transparent ninja will be there. You need to kill him. You have a good chance of dying here. But you will be able to find both of them back at the forest where you join the covenant.
Furyblade beats Chaos blade every aspect. not to mention it will damages its user. Chaos only wins if you are against an enemy heavily resistant to fire damage. again, you can use another weapon, that doesnt damage yourself, instead.
Chaos is purely for show.
InfiniDragon
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Chaos Blade is 450 ATP unbuffed at 40 DEX, longer than an Uchi and has a waaaaaayyy better moveset than Furysword (katana moveset > scimitar moveset for PVP).
If getting hurt on each hit really messed with your gameplay, wear Evil Eye Ring since everything dies in 1-2 hits, profit. The HP loss is so negligible that unless you get hit a lot you won't worry about it.
EDIT: Oh, and Furysword is split damage which is kinda bad unless it's a lightning weapon.
4 Kings is mental not because of the difficulty, but moreso because
. Beat it on my first try, soloing it, and got the fuck out of
Thank goodness I roughly know the layout in there now. So goddamned dark in there. Can't wait to do
Haha.
I need to find this
that loading screen hints at being in the Catacombs already. Problem is I don't yet have a divine weapon to kill the
in there. I have an Enchanted Falchion +4 but it doesn't seem to work on putting them down for good.
you can't see anything
NLR by warping.
Tomb of the Giants if that's even darker.
I need to find this
lantern and/or lantern hat thing
respawning skeletons
The Xtortionist
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To make the Tomb of the Giants much easier,
complete Lost Izalith first and you should find the lantern headpiece (Sunlight Maggot) along the way. The Skull Lantern found in the Tomb sucks because you have to equip it in one of your hands
As for divine weapons, I believe it only takes a handful of green titanite shards to create one from a +5 normal weapon. Get some humanity and farm the leeches in the Blighttown swamp toward the entrance to The Great Hollow. They drop them a ton of them.
InfiniDragon
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Yeah, only a "Divine" path weapon will do the job. Astora's Straight Sword (and Grant I believe) will also do it. If you don't have either of those, you can kill the skellies and run while they respawn until you kill the Necromancer (old pyromancer dudes with the lanterns) which also stops them from respawning.
As for the Skull Lantern and Sunlight Maggot, their locations are (put in spoilers for those who want to go in blind):
Skull Lantern -
They have a chance of dropping from the Necromancers, and there is one in Tomb of the Giants about halfway in, near a bonfire and an NPC.
Sunlight Maggot -
In an area of Lost Izalith that's accessible either by going through the level or by using 30 Humanity on the Chaos Covenant to go through the shortcut. Kill a small hopping bug and you get it.
Just got Astora's Straight Sword today (after visiting VOD via NLR) and I'm nearly level 80 now, focusing on DEX/VIT/END, which means I probably will never have the required Faith to equip it properly. (At least on this playthrough.) Wish I had gotten it earlier in the game; I would've put the smaller levelling amount of souls into Faith gains required to wield it effectively. Now it just seems like a lost cause. :C
The Xtortionist said:
Just might do this. It's going to take a lot for me to put down my Lightning Scimitar +7 (IIRC), especially since I'm the motherfucking god of thunder now with my full Orenstein suit.
Wondering what I'll use as a divine weapon. Might look into the weak base Estoc I have right now.
I forgot to mention, I was talking about PVE.
If I were gonna use a weapon for doing big damage while damaging my self, I would use Power Within for 40% damage increas instead of a flat 450.
Like I said, Its just for show.
I would recommend taking the occult club you've most likely picked up and breaking it down to divine+5 at a blacksmith, does the job and has low requirements.
InfiniDragon
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Even in PVE it's fine, just put on a Ring of the Evil Eye if it really bugs you. I've used it exclusively through NG+++ with zero issue. It's only bad if the user sucks and gets hit a lot.
Next you'll be telling me Hiltless in Demon's was useless because of the HP loss (hint: it's not).
EDIT: Oh, and Power Within is terribad. You can't control the HP loss unlike you can with a Chaos Blade (you can BS/Riposte with no HP loss if necessary or not hit them in PVE until you heal) and it lasts way long. You'll burn through your Flasks quick in PVE and get kited to death in PVP. It's bad.
in demons, there's a ring for HP regen, even then I dont bother with using hitless, I rock with Uchigatana.
Nobody wouldnt use powerwithin for entire runthrough, its designed for bosses only. you will need to Estus if you get hit, therefore that 1% HP loss per sec is negligible.
Using Chaos entire game is like using powerwithin entire game, but with less damage output.
like I said Chaos is purely for show.
Nobody wouldnt use powerwithin for entire runthrough, its designed for bosses only. you will need to Estus if you get hit, therefore that 1% HP loss per sec is negligible.
Using Chaos entire game is like using powerwithin entire game, but with less damage output.
like I said Chaos is purely for show.
The Xtortionist
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I honestly blew through the Catacombs with a base Divine Falchion and pretty low dex. The skeleton enemies in there roll over to backstabs.
InfiniDragon
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You really just want to have the last word, don't you? XD
Chaos the whole game isn't a thing like Power Within (because again you can control the HP loss in several ways) and its a viable weapon in both PvP and PvE. Hell, even Lifehunt Scythe is viable in PvE and it's "gimmick" is way worse on the player than Chaos Blade.
You lose 20 HP a hit. It's not a big deal when you have Estus, Miracles and Humanity to heal and with 450 ATP pure damage (not split) you kill things in 1-2 hits except bosses and really big enemies. Ring of the Evil Eye gives you 30 HP a kill. So unless you fight something big (like Giants or the Dragon Zombies) or with a lot of HP (like the big mushrooms) you don't even lose any HP after an exchange.
Just because you couldn't make it work doesn't mean it's "for show". There are much worse weapons out there that work in PvE/PvP too, like Ricard's Rapier, Demon's Great Machete and Grant. Just have to make the build around it.
I used to worry about what divine weapon to bring....but if you know where each shaman is you can bring your lightning spear or whatever and the level goes much quicker. The first shaman is visible from accross the first bridge...can be reduced to OHK status with arrows if not killed outright. There are only several more shamans to target and then the divine can be reserved for the first baby skellies in nito....usually astora's .....one time I used the occult club but didn't realize occult was no good......somehow still beat nito regardless...major fluke!
if powerwithin works for me, then why would chaos not work for me?
I dont think a flat 450 damage is is worth all that hassle. consider my greatsword deals 550+ pure damage and Furyblade deals 450 split damage without the 40% powerwithin bonus.
a weapon with low durability and damages its user for an little above average damage output, i say its purely for show. do you not agree?
I dont think a flat 450 damage is is worth all that hassle. consider my greatsword deals 550+ pure damage and Furyblade deals 450 split damage without the 40% powerwithin bonus.
a weapon with low durability and damages its user for an little above average damage output, i say its purely for show. do you not agree?
KennyLinder
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Where do you think is the best location to place my White summon sign in Anor Lando? I've put it at the top of the stairs as you enter the great hall (with the two huge guards and the archer), seems good as players will be coming from th bonfire and that's really the only route.
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