In Demon's Souls str applies to 2 hands when you use a bow unlike in Dark Souls.
Also when you backstab an enemy and he doesn't die, you don't loose the lock on.
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In Demon's Souls str applies to 2 hands when you use a bow unlike in Dark Souls.
Also when you backstab an enemy and he doesn't die, you don't loose the lock on.
Red Liquorice
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*gameshow wrong answer noise!*
Are you using summons, human or NPC? Solaire's sign is on the steps near the lone silver knight archer.
I am trying to beat it without help. Also, I want to kill the fat one first but sometimes the other guy does that flying spear attack so I can dodge and get an easy hit on him. Am I supposed to just not even touch him? Doesn't make sense not to.
It makes sense. Just trust us. Do you want some help with strategy?
Well typically I am just targeting the big one and then holding my shield up while strafing counter clockwise. Then I just try to get pot shots in when he does the overhead hammer smash. The only problem is that I'll get some damage in and the other guy comes out of nowhere and spears me.
Red Liquorice
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You can only kill one during that first 'round', so only concentrate on one of them - whomever you kill second determines the armour you can buy from Domnhall, and who's soul you get to make a weapon from.
I wouldn't lock on for this fight - they're both big enough to not need it. Keeping a low equipment load is also very helpful for having that fast roll for dodging.
If you summon a helper or two it can make it a very easy fight, so I can understand why you might not want to - but Solaire is pretty useless and often only just makes it through the first fight - so think about using him just to take the heat off you whilst there is two of them.
Most people say Smough is easier the second round - I always get steamrolled by his charges, probably because I always go for Ornstein second so have more experience fighting him so prefer to go for him, you also get his ring.
I wouldn't lock on for this fight - they're both big enough to not need it. Keeping a low equipment load is also very helpful for having that fast roll for dodging.
If you summon a helper or two it can make it a very easy fight, so I can understand why you might not want to - but Solaire is pretty useless and often only just makes it through the first fight - so think about using him just to take the heat off you whilst there is two of them.
Most people say Smough is easier the second round - I always get steamrolled by his charges, probably because I always go for Ornstein second so have more experience fighting him so prefer to go for him, you also get his ring.
Kill the fatty first and you'll get the best spear in the game which has a good scaling for dex and faith.
Aw, here I was trying to be coy, and you just go and tell him everything. Shucks.
Is it worth me using the lightning spear against ornstein for this one? It's not leveled at all though since I just got it. I still want to go to Smoug first though. I am just worried about the 2nd round with Ornstein now.
Ornstein actually is pretty resistant against lightning damage so the lightning spear would not be a good idea at all. When you're fighting either Super Ornstein or Smough, just stay as close as possible to their feet, that way most of their attacks will miss you. Just be ready to run away from the butt slam.
Not sure if you picked up the Crystal Halberd or not, but it does a ton of damage compared to most of your gear. It's temporary because it will break eventually, but you should get at least 5 tries out of it before it breaks on you.
Also if you are using the Balder Side sword, use the Thrust attacks more than the slash attacks. You should be picking and choosing your hits, and trying to get one hit in then block or roll away, so do a Thrust attack so you can do much more damage. If you get comfortable with evading them, you can 2 hand the weapon and do even more damage. You can also stagger them easier if you use stronger attacks, although I wouldn't rely on it with light weapons.
I feel that the boss fights in Demons Souls are much better (most notably False King, Penetrator, and Flame Lurker).
Atmosphere is richer. I still don't know which one I like better though...they are both such fantastic games.
So I just bought the DLC, started to play one of my characters in the Duke's Archives after a long hiatus and holy shit I'm rusty. Dukes Archives was always hard for me. Because of that, I decided to start a new character which I'm going to build with strength/2h character. Fucking Sen's Fortress. It's not even hard, it's just tediously annoying.
I'm level 23 or 24 with 26 strength, using Large Club+5, Grass Crest Shield, Ring of Favour and Protection and Ring of Steel Protection.
Any pointers/hints for this kinda guy? Recommended builds, weapons and covenants?
Also, if anyone is on the PS3, feel free to add me on PSN at Sajjaja.
EDIT:Also forgot to ask, whats the PVP cap at now? Is it still at 120 or has it changed since the DLC?
It's 100 nowadays, at least if you're planning to use the new PvP arena.
Well this is bullshit. I am only focusing on Smough but every time I dodge and attack him I get speared in the back by Ornstein. Happened 3 times in a row.
I kill the Capra demon on my 2nd try and I am on try 25 here at least. Doesn't make sense that this is so hard. I get killed in 2 hits.
I kill the Capra demon on my 2nd try and I am on try 25 here at least. Doesn't make sense that this is so hard. I get killed in 2 hits.
I always play very safe against them if I don't happen to have particular good gears and stats, lock on one of them, strafe back and around him to have the other on sight as well all the time and attack only when it's really safe. Since you can block most of their attack or avoid them completely with back rolling when they are coming from the front, it's not really a problem it the fight drags out a little.
Smough takes good damage from pretty much anything so if you happen to have the pyromancy glove with some fireballs equipped or any other good ranged attack, attacking him first would make the fight way more feasible.
Smough takes good damage from pretty much anything so if you happen to have the pyromancy glove with some fireballs equipped or any other good ranged attack, attacking him first would make the fight way more feasible.
Stay close to his feet, roll towards him if you see him doing the thrusting attack that would pierce and lift you up and run away if he jumps up to avoid the butt slam (or try to block it if you're not directly under him but would not get away fast enough) and you're pretty safe against him. Dealing good damage to him is more challenging than staying alive I would say.
I'm trying but I can't dodge everything. I seem to keep getting hit while stuck in an animation then I can't drink a flask fast enough so he kills me.
Throw your summon sign down and help others with the boss fight, good practice for you with no risk, only reward. When you get more comfortable with their attack patterns and the overall pace of the fight, you can try it yourself. You'll also get souls so you can level and give yourself some more Vitality to survive longer.
Sajjaja said:
If you are only going to 2H weapons then keep your STR at 27, 2H weapon scaling starts to tank after that. If you want to use heavier weapons, then only take your Strength to the bare minimum to 2H, 36 STR and you can 2H 50 STR weapons. Large club is amazing, awesome 2H and 1H moveset, upgrade it to +14/15 as soon as you can. Demon Great Machete/Axe/Hammers are all excellent heavy weapons as well. If you plan on PvPing try to have at least 40 poise, and 53 if you can, that way you aren't getting staggered by every little hit and can trade blows with people.
jim-jam bongs
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sorry if I missed the explanation, but you know that killing them the other way around is a lot easier?
I still want to be mobile though. I started checking out some other strength builds and apparently the Reinforced Club is pretty deadly.
What are some advantages to it? I know it has two power attacks, which I can see being handy in PvP. But what else?
Just some general recommendations:
* Killing Ornstein first, makes the second part of the battle cake
* Get some pine resin/charcoal on your weapons for extra damage, if you can afford it
* Use the pillars as cover. They can hit you if you're standing next to them, but their pathfinding is shit and they'll get stuck and you can use that time to think, heal, cry, etc.
* If they kill you in two hits, your armor isn't really making any difference, so make sure you're able to roll super fast. The invincibility window in your roll is MUCH better
* Don't rush things, watch Orstein do his thing, and punish if you know it's a free hit. Take your time and you won't make mistakes.
* If all else fails, there's no shame in summoning help, even Solaire makes a world a difference. I did the first time.
* Killing Ornstein first, makes the second part of the battle cake
* Get some pine resin/charcoal on your weapons for extra damage, if you can afford it
* Use the pillars as cover. They can hit you if you're standing next to them, but their pathfinding is shit and they'll get stuck and you can use that time to think, heal, cry, etc.
* If they kill you in two hits, your armor isn't really making any difference, so make sure you're able to roll super fast. The invincibility window in your roll is MUCH better
* Don't rush things, watch Orstein do his thing, and punish if you know it's a free hit. Take your time and you won't make mistakes.
* If all else fails, there's no shame in summoning help, even Solaire makes a world a difference. I did the first time.
The Reinforced Club is good, but it is tiny, it has little to no range and not much stopping power. It has a high attack rating for its size, and it has bleed damage but it won't get you very far in high level PvP unless you are really good. You can still be mobile and have decent poise with a relatively heavy weapon, just wear the Poise ring and level your Endurance. Wear the FaP ring or Havel ring and you can fast roll and have 40-76 poise pretty easily.
If you plan on going to level 100 or 120, you can level your Endurance well past 40 to get the equip load you want. If you are playing a STR character, you only need to level Vitality STR and Endurance, so it is very economical level wise.
Ya but I want Ornstein's stuff.
Ya but I am trying to not read too much about stuff.
So 40 vit and str and 50 end would be a good build?
Yea, you could keep your Strength even lower though, anywhere from 27-31 to be honest. The best heavy weapons can be two handed in that range, and the Large Club can be 1H at 26.
Here, check out this cheesy shit. DGA, Fast rolling with 76 Poise at level 100
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=253760407498680144
You can get 53 poise comfortably with the ring and some economical gear, while still looking decent. With 76 Poise you could just stand there, tank a big hit then swing back.
Duke's Archives were definitely the hardest area in the game for me, except maybe Undead Burg, but I was completely new when I played that. The combination of Channelers, archers and sneakily hidden melee guys got me over and over again.
Dude you can do it. I I killed O&S with a Broadsword +5 or something, with the Black-Hemmed armor set (which has shit physical defense). Took me ~30-40 tries.
poison arrows or Dragonsalyer greatbow are foolproof and as easy cheesy as it gets.....the archer arrows die and hit the ground giving you a good space to set up your bows and take your time cheesing them....absolutely zero risk....and not likely a coincidence....the arrwos dying with just enough room for you to set up shop is obviously by design.
Yeah I have taken to to just running straight up there and running back down if I have a weak character or have run out of arrows etc....the archer on the right follows you and dies falling off most of the time....if not just do it again! Lots of rolling!!!
Red Liquorice
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People say this, but I think it's just down to experience - if you're always killing Super Smough, you'll be used to his attacks and kill him easier. I always go for Ornstein second so I think he is a piece of cake - I have a hard time dodging Smough's rushing attacks because I rarely take him on second and I always misjudge how far they go, rolling to early. So it's down to experience and knowing the fight I think.
Foliorum Viridum
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Guys.
Guys.
Blighttown ISN'T in slow motion and doesn't give me a headache. Durante really is the second coming.
Actually a very well designed level now I'm playing it about 4fps.
Guys.
Blighttown ISN'T in slow motion and doesn't give me a headache. Durante really is the second coming.
Actually a very well designed level now I'm playing it about 4fps.
teh_J0kerer
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So I just got the PC version, and Im not happy with the performance. It sits at 30fps most of the time, but with many drops, often down to 15fps...
My pc is pretty decent, able to run crysis on decent settings, etc..
Im getting this problem with or without Durante's mod.
I have an amd gpu hd5650 fwiw. Also switchable graphics to an intel gpu.
Tips?
My pc is pretty decent, able to run crysis on decent settings, etc..
Im getting this problem with or without Durante's mod.
I have an amd gpu hd5650 fwiw. Also switchable graphics to an intel gpu.
Tips?
I can't skip Power Within -_-
Not to mention Eagle Shield and Iaito when I have a dex character...
In catalyst control panel, select 'overwrite application settings', and slide AA to the max. Basically, with some cards (mine included, I have a 7870), the gpu gets stuck in low power mode with this game. Also try a higher internal resolution in DsFix or turn up other settings to make your gpu work. Oddly, My game ran like shit until I turned all of the sliders in CCC panel to max and downsampled from 2560x1440.
I like to do the normal way through Blighttown sometimes as a change of pace from taking the back route which is what I usually do. It's a pretty difficult section of the game, especially for the gear that you're likely to have by that point
Idk man... its just so annoying to be plagued almost instantly even with the spider shield up all the time.
Well I've done S&O three times, plus helping a ton of people in coop and in my experience, it's just easier.
Ornstein is way more mobile, has a ton of range and he has an unblockable attack that can one-hit you.
Smough is a push-over in super mode, most of his attacks are very easy to dodge, if you stick close to him half his attacks will miss you, and when he charges you it's just a matter of putting a pillar in between him and you. His butt stomp attack can one-hit you, but Ornstein has that too. He also has less health than Ornstein, for some reason.
Of course, if you're experienced in doing Smough first, you'll find that order easier, but I say, objectively, Smough is just a slow fat dude, and those are the kinds of enemies one usually excels at beating in Dark Souls.
You can always poison yourself with Dungpie and laugh about all the blowdart dudes.