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[flarkminator]

Dear David Jaffe,

I don't give a shit which one is more powerful, I want to kill more people as Kratos THE FUCKING BAD ASS. Make it happen.

Thank you for your time.

 

[SolidSnakex]

God of War 2 is in development. Unfortunately the game is being wasted on antiquated PS2 hardware. :/ I'd rather have God of War 2 on PS3 instead of having to wait for God of War 3.

No reason to look down on it because they want to keep perfectly profitable hardware alive. They have no real reason to throw everything into next gen right now.

 

[Solid]

well then at least i can play it on my ps3 :lol

 

[Guy LeDouche]

God of War 2 is in development. Unfortunately the game is being wasted on antiquated PS2 hardware. :/ I'd rather have God of War 2 on PS3 instead of having to wait for God of War 3.

more God of War is always good. We'll get one soon for PS2 and then another for PS3. The engine was just too solid (and expensive) to just use on one game.

PS3 GoW does excite me though. PS2 GoW CG quality graphics at 60fps!!!

 

[Izzy]

I've been swamped with the kids this weekend....taking care of 2 is WAYYYYY harder than ONE! Whoda thunk?!?!

Anyway, just saw this thread...didn't know the GI was out yet....

...hey man, it's just my opinion based on:

-seeing the XBOX360 stuff at E3 (altho GEARS OF WAR and COD 2 look great)

-talking to devs who are working on both 360 and ps3

-seeing some exclusive ps3 stuff that looks amazing compared to what I've seen for Xbox360...

...end of the day, GI asked me a question and I gave an honest answer. I have not seen the GI interview so I don't know if they cut the part where I was also saying: I don't really care which is more powerful....it's all about the games. Hell, I'm working on PSP because I wanna make a portable game so you KNOW I could give a rats ass which system is the most powerful....and not to be a total ass...I really am not trying to be, but alot of you guys do look sorta stupid arguing about it....who gives a crap? It's not like XBOX is as powerful as a SNES and PS3 is as powerful as a supercomputer....why do you guys even care so much? I am not being a jerk, I am just curious? Hell, my current job depends on Sony being able to compete and win in this market and I don't care 1/3 as much as you guys do....anyway, not trying to be a jerk, just trying to see why ya'll care so much?

And as for my answer, the only reason I was talking about it at all is cause they asked me and I answered...I didn't offer up the question of XBOX VS PS3 for discussion...that was Game Informer...

David

Indeed - knowing you worked on Mickey Mania, I'm looking forward to your PSP game.

 

[Mrbob]

No reason to look down on it because they want to keep perfectly profitable hardware alive. They have no real reason to throw everything into next gen right now.

Oh, from a business standpoint it makes sense. But I don't own any Sony stock so this isn't a factor for me. God of War 2 will more than likey end up like an expansion pack, since there isn't much else which can be done on PS2, so I'll wait for it to be on the cheap before picking it up. Whereas I picked up God of War on day one at full price.

 

[Baron Aloha]

In my opinion, Next-gen begins with PS3

Yeah, supposedly X360=PS3, but the realtime PS3 stuff is CONSISTANLY better looking than most X360 games.......to me, the onus is heavily on MS at this point in time...

QFT.

 

[SolidSnakex]

God of War 2 will more than likey end up like an expansion pack, since there isn't much else which can be done on PS2, so I'll wait for it to be on the cheap before picking it up. Whereas I picked up God of War on day one at full price.

It's not all about graphics though. THey might not be able to improve the graphics much, but that doesn't mean they can't do more with the gameplay. If there's any worry about GoW2 its that David said he wouldn't direct it if its made. But maybe he's like Kojima.

 

[Mrbob]

It's not all about graphics though. THey might not be able to improve the graphics much, but that doesn't mean they can't do more with the gameplay. If there's any worry about GoW2 its that David said he wouldn't direct it if its made. But maybe he's like Kojima.

I know, but I want more intereaction with the enviroments. PS3 power could do such a fantastic job. PS2 sequel will just be God of War with new set pieces.

MGS4 trailer ruined practically everything current gen for me now. I want that kind of immersion in all my games. Playstation 2 can't do that anymore. Xbox 360 and PS3 can.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Yeah but I guess my point is: why is there a Sony majority in the first place? Hell, I love the movies but I'm not all like:

Oh yeah man, have you seen Universal Studio's slate of pics this year? They are gonna kick the living crap out of stupid old Disney! And Miramax, shoot man, they shouldn't even both showing up....they should get out of the biz all together!!!!

Still...

I'm not trying to be all Rodney King here, and hey, maybe it's just fun right? Like rooting for UCLA or USC? It's just a fun thing to bitch about...I guess I can see that. Maybe being on the inside of the process, we just look out and wonder- since we can't see it from just a fan perspective- what the big deal is?

Kinda reminds me of that scene in FEVER PITCH where Jimmy Fallon catches some of the ball players from the Sox having dinner with the enemy (i.e. the other team) and he just can't get his head around it....but the players are just like: dude, we're all just making a living here, having a good time.

But no, I guess I understand. So, with that said:

XBOX 360 IS CRAP!!!! BUY PS3 ALL THE WAY!!!!!

Just kidding! Well, not really...

David

ps. on the same subject, don't you HATE editorials that talk about the GAMING WARS and try to calm everyone down and they ALWAYS end with the same cliche: but we- as gamers- all win!!!

It's like, dudes, if you are going to write an editorial then please- for the love of god, CAN WE STOP THE GOD DAMNED HAMMERING (ok, that's obscure)...but PLEASE, if you are gonna do an editorial, have an original thought and tell me something new and interesting...isn't that the point of an editorial?

LOL! Can I just say you moved up a bunch in my book? I didn't play GOW b/c I've been without a PS2 since like 2003. But man, it's good to see someone give a Vic Ireland shit around here. The guy was opinionated, but at leat he mingled with the fans.

Anyway, I agree on a level there. I worked at IBM at the time of the "Merced scare" when we were getting daily wire reports on Intel's progress. And my friend was also interning at Intel and we still went snowboarding together and hung out and shit, and it just didn't matter. When you work someplace, it's a job, it doesn't really have that personal aspect to it. But to most of us, seperated from the behinds the scenes bs, I can say that the console wars envigorate me a little bit. I think back to the usenet battles between SNES and Genny, and some of my youth when this stuff seemed so much more important. It's no longer important, but the petty, worthless arguments are fun. I hope no one takes it that seriously. More mental masturbation than anything. A simple game of one-upsmanship than anything. In a year or two, no one will care again. I mean, we did this whole saga for the PS2/DC/XBox/GC at one point. When it was the XB and GC fans going at it, I just kinda sat back and chuckled myself.

It's harmless fun. I think everyone's gotta love it, really. This sort of thing only comes around every half-decade like a comet anyway. So that said. Let me grab my can of kerosene and set a few more fires. :lol Keep posting, and hopefully I get to witness the GOW goodness firsthand on the PS3. PEACE.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Did Jaffe and Carmack go on to say that the Revolution would be the most powerful of the three?

 

[Mrbob]

Did Jaffe and Carmack go on to say that the Revolution would be the most powerful of the three?

Yes.

 

[speedpop]

:lol

 

[Musashi Wins!]

ps. real quick: lotsa folks asking what I think about Revolution....the quick hit is: I like it, can't wait to play with it....worried- as a player- it could be a novelty that gets old...but Nintendo is not dumb and they must know the whole 'novelty burnout' is a risk so they are prob. doing all they can to make sure that doesn't happen...I think it's a great idea....just like I thought it was a great idea when Phil Harrison used the magic wand at GDC a few years back...hmmm....maybe Miyamoto was in the audience then?

from his blog.

 

[sonycowboy]

Oh, from a business standpoint it makes sense. But I don't own any Sony stock so this isn't a factor for me. God of War 2 will more than likey end up like an expansion pack, since there isn't much else which can be done on PS2, so I'll wait for it to be on the cheap before picking it up. Whereas I picked up God of War on day one at full price.

And yet, MrBob says of Ninja Gaiden: Black

Xbox GoTY.

 

[Drek]

:lol :lol :lol

wow, well when you get your bachelors degree in CS, and you're a "certified" CS professional, I guess that makes your opinion on game development that much more important :lol

You've got a lot to learn, kid.

1. not a kid, 2. won't be getting a CS degree, changed to Earth Sciences since its a hell of a lot more rewarding than making games for fanboys to argue over. 3. I've programmed games before, don't need a degree to do that.

As for my opinion on game development, well, I'll trust my ability to compare hardware without needing Jaffe or Carmack to spoon feed me their own agendas. They both have them, you're delusional if you think otherwise. If you hadn't noticed though I didn't give my opinion, because I don't consider myself some source of ultimate wisdom on the topic like you seem to think Carmack is.

But hey, you keep trying to make it about personal attacks instead of admitting that you totally didn't pay attention to anything I typed in my original post, and just jumped right into your standard mindless fanboy rant. I hope being a tool serves you well in the future.

 

[IJoel]

And yet, MrBob says of Ninja Gaiden: Black

And he's right.

 

[PhatSaqs]

And he's right.

Damn straight.

 

[bob_arctor]

"Next gen? Next gen? You can't even finish games this gen! BITCH."

 

[Spazbiohaz]

In my opinion, Next-gen begins with PS3

Yeah, supposedly X360=PS3, but the realtime PS3 stuff is CONSISTANLY better looking than most X360 games.......to me, the onus is heavily on MS at this point in time...

Honestly, This statement bothers me. Real time... What PS3 game have we seen running. A video in real time means nothing to me anymore. X360 has shown nothing but in-game footage. Sony is still scared. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market. Not saying that it's less or more the X360. Just do not agree with Sony's choice to show real time videos. Sony does it every time.

 

[Red Blaster]

Honestly, This statement bothers me. Real time... What PS3 game have we seen running. A video in real time means nothing to me anymore. X360 has shown nothing but in-game footage. Sony is still scared. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market. Not saying that it's less or more the X360. Just do not agree with Sony's choice to show real time videos. Sony does it every time.

 

[DarienA]

Honestly, This statement bothers me. Real time... What PS3 game have we seen running. A video in real time means nothing to me anymore. X360 has shown nothing but in-game footage. Sony is still scared. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market. Not saying that it's less or more the X360. Just do not agree with Sony's choice to show real time videos. Sony does it every time.

There are LOTS of people in the MGS4 threads that disagree with that statement... lots.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

Honestly, This statement bothers me. Real time... What PS3 game have we seen running. A video in real time means nothing to me anymore. X360 has shown nothing but in-game footage. Sony is still scared. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market. Not saying that it's less or more the X360. Just do not agree with Sony's choice to show real time videos. Sony does it every time.

Sony is scared? Didn't Peter Moore come out to say that the Cell quote in the MGS4 trailer "probably" meant that they were scared?

Sony beat MS at E3 and they just pounded MS at TGS. And MS is the one that has to launch in 2 months.

 

[MrSingh]

7 pages later and this thread is still retarded.

carry on.

 

[jett]

. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market.

:lol Your post would be complete if you had mentioned the initial PS2 tech-demos.

protip: final build of MGS2 actually looked *better* than the original trailer, running at double the resolution.

 

[Master Z]

...Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market .

Damn. Prepare to get owned...

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Honestly, This statement bothers me. Real time... What PS3 game have we seen running. A video in real time means nothing to me anymore. X360 has shown nothing but in-game footage. Sony is still scared. Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market. Not saying that it's less or more the X360. Just do not agree with Sony's choice to show real time videos. Sony does it every time.

You sir, about one step away from getting owned...and rather hard at that.

 

[dark10x]

Anyone who saw the MGS2 trailer would understand this, seeing as the game did not look like the same calibur during game play once it hit the market.

That is factually incorrect. I can't imagine where you developed such an idea, but it's completely wrong. Do we need to go into details?

 

[Lord Error]

And he's right.

I think that's exactly Sonycowboy's point. GoW2 even though it might end up being an expansion, could easily end up being an amazing game. He just called MrBob on his logic.

 

[Speevy]

Prepare to get owned!

(everyone keep saying this)

 

[Gek54]

What the hell defines an expansion from a sequel?

 

[DarienA]

What the hell defines an expansion from a sequel?

Well in this case isn't Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden with the downloadable content/increased difficulties added? It's still the same story being told from, etc right?

From IGN's review:

Rather, it is a repackaging of the original with material from the two downloadable Xbox Live Hurricane Pack expansions, an expanded story, more costumes, a port of the arcade version of Ninja Gaiden, extra levels of difficulty, and a whole new mode of play focused on scripted missions.

That's an Expansion.

 

[Razoric]

What the hell defines an expansion from a sequel?

Fanboys.

 

[Spazbiohaz]

That is factually incorrect. I can't imagine where you developed such an idea, but it's completely wrong. Do we need to go into details?

Hmmm.... Bring it. I don't see it. My point still holds. Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Hmmm.... Bring it. I don't see it. My point still holds. Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened.

You remember incorrectly twice..First about MGS2, second about tthe FF movie. Want to make up more stuff to bash Sony?

Just another note, the majority of the MGS2 trailer was gameplay.

 

[Gek54]

Hmmm.... Bring it. I don't see it. My point still holds. Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened.

It did and then some.

 

[sonycowboy]

Hmmm.... Bring it. I don't see it. My point still holds. Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened.

Your post history is betraying you. Not that your avatar didn't give it away anywhat. Have fun putting your little anti-Sony digs in.

 

[TTP]

Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened

OMG. PS2 demo vs actual games pics INCOMING!

 

[Spazbiohaz]

Your post history is betraying you. Not that your avatar didn't give it away anywhat. Have fun putting your little anti-Sony digs in.

HAHAHA... No I'm not hating on sony, but I disagree with how they choose to market there system. Granted if it works or not, behind the scenes I feel it is deceiving.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

You remember incorrectly twice..First about MGS2, second about tthe FF movie. Want to make up more stuff to bash Sony?

Just another note, the majority of the MGS2 trailer was gameplay.

It's not going to look like that!! It's not realtime!!!

Then MGS2 gets released in even higher resolution than the original trailer graphics.

What? Still not believing because of stupidity?!!

Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 also get's released going in dept of MGS2's completely realtime engines from early trailers and the graphical updates to the finished game.

The ultimate companion piece showing people are still misguilded fools and have never touched a Metal Gear Solid game in their life!!

 

[Gek54]

HAHAHA... No I'm not hating on sony, but I disagree with how they choose to market there system. Granted if it works or not, behind the scenes I feel it is deceiving.

I guess you missed all the threads where all the PS2 demos have all been bettered with actual games on the system.

 

[Flo_Evans]

HAHAHA... No I'm not hating on sony, but I disagree with how they choose to market there system. Granted if it works or not, behind the scenes I feel it is deceiving.

deceiving like 'wait for the alpha kits!' or deceiving like the raven demo?

 

[SolidSnakex]

OMG. PS2 demo vs actual games pics INCOMING!

Oh he was talking about the PS2 demos? I thought he meant TSW.

 

[Gek54]

deceiving like 'wait for the alpha kits!' or deceiving like the raven demo?

or like the gamecube tree demo?

 

[Guy LeDouche]

HAHAHA... No I'm not hating on sony, but I disagree with how they choose to market there system. Granted if it works or not, behind the scenes I feel it is deceiving.

It's "marketing", that's the point. Are you disappointed when you drink the beer you see advertised on tv and then the swedish bikini team doesn't magically appear around you?

 

[TTP]

Oh he was talking about the PS2 demos? I thought he meant TSW.

Probably. Excuse me if I'm not paying too much attention to what he's saying

 

[IJoel]

I think that's exactly Sonycowboy's point. GoW2 even though it might end up being an expansion, could easily end up being an amazing game. He just called MrBob on his logic.

MrBob's point is that the effort for a sequel shouldn't be wasted for this generation. NG Black is far from a sequel.

 

[Gek54]

Install base, BC, existing tools and system familiarity says otherwise.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Install base, BC, existing tools and system familiarity says otherwise.

Cheaper too.

 

[dark10x]

Hmmm.... Bring it. I don't see it.

You really think this stuff was downgraded? Ha ha, no.

The final game removed no details AND ran in a higher resolution. You need to go re-watch the trailer...

What exactly do you feel was downgraded? Once I arrive home, I can easily capture scenes from any of those places (From the original trailer) if you want. They absolutely nailed it.

If you REALLY need proof, go try the Document of... disc, which allows you to watch every cutscene and fly around the scenes with your own camera looking at everything.

My point still holds. Sony fears gameplay, If I remember correctly didn't Sony state that the FF movie in real Time on PS2. Still to this day it never happened.

They never promised that. Ever.