Lunar Aura
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gofreak said:
if both machines slaughter this gens machines, wouldnt the physics on either platform be good enough anyway? people act as if the 360s physics will be stuck in this gen while ps3s will be far beyond.
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David Jaffe comments on the 360/PS3 (heated words is an understatement)
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if both machines slaughter this gens machines, wouldnt the physics on either platform be good enough anyway? people act as if the 360s physics will be stuck in this gen while ps3s will be far beyond.
SolidSnakex
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Lunar Aura said:
All current gen system slaughter last gen systems and alot of people make a big deal out of it of the difference between the Xbox and PS2.
maximum360
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Panajev2001a said:
Who are you and why should I care what you think? (I've never even had a conversation or responded directly to you. If you have a problem or feel like insulting more, PM me. This is not the place for it.)
Feel free to disagree with me but I've never insulted you. To insult me puts you in the "Deadmeat" category.
maximum360
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DarienA said:
Actually working full time, taking Anatomy & Physiology, and applying for Physical Therapy school sometimes can cause me to have trouble getting sleep and at night.
Games? No. Actually this forum is quite hilarious and is one of the few thing that makes me laugh. You see the same thing over and over again. I just made a statement. Feel free to agree or not.
The fact that you're so childish enough to make a personal attack pretty much let's me knwo that there's one more person I may have to put on the "ignore" list.
Nice one. Carmack to me is completely useless as he has produced nothing in the past 10 years. I seriously would like to know what some of the third parties not tied to either side think, and not PC developers.
Konami, Capcom, Square, and others fit that description. But I doubt they would honestly answer the question either, for fear of upsetting MS or Sony.
C- Warrior
Banned
Damn, it's not like Jaffe to avoid threads.
It'd be awesome if he could clear this up and give a GAF exclusive
It'd be awesome if he could clear this up and give a GAF exclusive
SolidSnakex
Member
C- Warrior said:
He's a big MGS fan so he's probably still running around his house with a big smile on his face.
Open Source
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Draft said:
I'll take the guy who used the most insults and curse words.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
I've been swamped with the kids this weekend....taking care of 2 is WAYYYYY harder than ONE! Whoda thunk?!?!
Anyway, just saw this thread...didn't know the GI was out yet....
...hey man, it's just my opinion based on:
-seeing the XBOX360 stuff at E3 (altho GEARS OF WAR and COD 2 look great)
-talking to devs who are working on both 360 and ps3
-seeing some exclusive ps3 stuff that looks amazing compared to what I've seen for Xbox360...
...end of the day, GI asked me a question and I gave an honest answer. I have not seen the GI interview so I don't know if they cut the part where I was also saying: I don't really care which is more powerful....it's all about the games. Hell, I'm working on PSP because I wanna make a portable game so you KNOW I could give a rats ass which system is the most powerful....and not to be a total ass...I really am not trying to be, but alot of you guys do look sorta stupid arguing about it....who gives a crap? It's not like XBOX is as powerful as a SNES and PS3 is as powerful as a supercomputer....why do you guys even care so much? I am not being a jerk, I am just curious? Hell, my current job depends on Sony being able to compete and win in this market and I don't care 1/3 as much as you guys do....anyway, not trying to be a jerk, just trying to see why ya'll care so much?
And as for my answer, the only reason I was talking about it at all is cause they asked me and I answered...I didn't offer up the question of XBOX VS PS3 for discussion...that was Game Informer...
David
Anyway, just saw this thread...didn't know the GI was out yet....
...hey man, it's just my opinion based on:
-seeing the XBOX360 stuff at E3 (altho GEARS OF WAR and COD 2 look great)
-talking to devs who are working on both 360 and ps3
-seeing some exclusive ps3 stuff that looks amazing compared to what I've seen for Xbox360...
...end of the day, GI asked me a question and I gave an honest answer. I have not seen the GI interview so I don't know if they cut the part where I was also saying: I don't really care which is more powerful....it's all about the games. Hell, I'm working on PSP because I wanna make a portable game so you KNOW I could give a rats ass which system is the most powerful....and not to be a total ass...I really am not trying to be, but alot of you guys do look sorta stupid arguing about it....who gives a crap? It's not like XBOX is as powerful as a SNES and PS3 is as powerful as a supercomputer....why do you guys even care so much? I am not being a jerk, I am just curious? Hell, my current job depends on Sony being able to compete and win in this market and I don't care 1/3 as much as you guys do....anyway, not trying to be a jerk, just trying to see why ya'll care so much?
And as for my answer, the only reason I was talking about it at all is cause they asked me and I answered...I didn't offer up the question of XBOX VS PS3 for discussion...that was Game Informer...
David
MidgarBlowedUp
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davidjaffe said:
Congrats on the new baby girl.
And many thanks for the virtual bubble gum cigars.
We're all gamers. However, the Sony majority here at GAF has been so vocal this past week about the graphics that it's difficult to talk about playing games.
And I think the Xbox camp would be the same way if the roles were reversed, but more credible folks like you are more likely to add fuel to the fire than water. No offense. I'm sure you're a great guy and congratulations on the baby.
Guy LeDouche
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agreed. also, it's a games forum - what are we going to talk about? The Dodgers? It's fun to just go back and forth and I think (hope) most here don't take it too seriously.Speevy said:
Except for the N-Gage fanboys. They'll bite youre head off.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Yeah but I guess my point is: why is there a Sony majority in the first place? Hell, I love the movies but I'm not all like:
Oh yeah man, have you seen Universal Studio's slate of pics this year? They are gonna kick the living crap out of stupid old Disney! And Miramax, shoot man, they shouldn't even both showing up....they should get out of the biz all together!!!!
Still...
I'm not trying to be all Rodney King here, and hey, maybe it's just fun right? Like rooting for UCLA or USC? It's just a fun thing to bitch about...I guess I can see that. Maybe being on the inside of the process, we just look out and wonder- since we can't see it from just a fan perspective- what the big deal is?
Kinda reminds me of that scene in FEVER PITCH where Jimmy Fallon catches some of the ball players from the Sox having dinner with the enemy (i.e. the other team) and he just can't get his head around it....but the players are just like: dude, we're all just making a living here, having a good time.
But no, I guess I understand. So, with that said:
XBOX 360 IS CRAP!!!! BUY PS3 ALL THE WAY!!!!!
Just kidding! Well, not really...
David
ps. on the same subject, don't you HATE editorials that talk about the GAMING WARS and try to calm everyone down and they ALWAYS end with the same cliche: but we- as gamers- all win!!!
It's like, dudes, if you are going to write an editorial then please- for the love of god, CAN WE STOP THE GOD DAMNED HAMMERING (ok, that's obscure)...but PLEASE, if you are gonna do an editorial, have an original thought and tell me something new and interesting...isn't that the point of an editorial?
Oh yeah man, have you seen Universal Studio's slate of pics this year? They are gonna kick the living crap out of stupid old Disney! And Miramax, shoot man, they shouldn't even both showing up....they should get out of the biz all together!!!!
Still...
I'm not trying to be all Rodney King here, and hey, maybe it's just fun right? Like rooting for UCLA or USC? It's just a fun thing to bitch about...I guess I can see that. Maybe being on the inside of the process, we just look out and wonder- since we can't see it from just a fan perspective- what the big deal is?
Kinda reminds me of that scene in FEVER PITCH where Jimmy Fallon catches some of the ball players from the Sox having dinner with the enemy (i.e. the other team) and he just can't get his head around it....but the players are just like: dude, we're all just making a living here, having a good time.
But no, I guess I understand. So, with that said:
XBOX 360 IS CRAP!!!! BUY PS3 ALL THE WAY!!!!!
Just kidding! Well, not really... David
ps. on the same subject, don't you HATE editorials that talk about the GAMING WARS and try to calm everyone down and they ALWAYS end with the same cliche: but we- as gamers- all win!!!
It's like, dudes, if you are going to write an editorial then please- for the love of god, CAN WE STOP THE GOD DAMNED HAMMERING (ok, that's obscure)...but PLEASE, if you are gonna do an editorial, have an original thought and tell me something new and interesting...isn't that the point of an editorial?
<-- Self proclaimed rageoholic.Draft said:
Seriously though, it just frustrates (and disappoints) me that a guy like Carmack sees so much praise and respect on this board (and in the industry) when so many immensely intelligent, creative and imaginative game creators go almost wholly unnoticed.
Do you realize how many people there are in this world who with the right training and opportunities can create a fantastic game engine? Yet imaginatively incomparable guys like Ueda, Mizuguchi, LoPiccolo, Okada, Doak and Matsuura receive only a tenth of the praise and admiration they deserve (except for a chosen few on these boards).
It's a criminal shame as far as I'm concerned, and it gets on my nerves.
MidgarBlowedUp
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davidjaffe said:
I seriously can't think of a real answer.
I guess because I'm just really excited about finally being able to play games that look simalar to the boxarts of Atari 2600 games. I'm also wanting to see Sony's Cell really force the computing industry to grow instead of milk itself. I'm sure there are other subconcious reasons too.
Like why do people care what celebrities are doing, why do people watch fakeality shows, why do guys argue about Ford vs Chevy, or why do guys watch wrestling and girls watch the soaps?
Surely you don't suggest some of us should get a life!
j/k
Yes, make God of War 2.
fortified_concept
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davidjaffe said:
Nah, there are people who enjoy a good argument and people who don't or take it too seriously and eventually don't. Afterall it's about videogames not politics or any other serious matter to take it too seriously. I, for example, enjoy a good argument and GAF is the perfect place for it. These PS3/360 debates are crazy! You're missing all the fun.
Btw I hear you worked for God of War. I love you. <3
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Speevy said:
WINNER!!!
Haha, that post reminded my why I love GAF now.
This place makes me laugh harder than most of the comedians on TV.
C- Warrior
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davidjaffe said:
So you (even though you feel it was a ridiculous question in the first hand) still stand by your answer then. By having personal observations, talking with a few developers here and there...you feel the PS3 technically one-ups the 360.
PS3 for the win. =p
In anycase, GI asked you a question, and you answered. Can't blame you on that.
I wouldn't say this thread is to denounce you or either Carmack, but to see how the entire PS3 vs. 360 techno-babble plays out.
Congratulations on the 2nd girl.
Die Squirrel Die
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Sho Nuff said:
You do realise it would have stiff competition from good third of the front page.
Jaffe, congratulations on the baby!
I have to add a few points here...just because:
Miramax = Disney
I've seen a SODA forum with intense debate :b
DC: I know we're across the globe n all...but now would be a good time to get drunk as hell...I'm good for it if you are :b
you'll have to drink extra for me, though...as I'm a LIGHTWEIGHT drinker
I have to add a few points here...just because:
Miramax = Disney
I've seen a SODA forum with intense debate :b
DC: I know we're across the globe n all...but now would be a good time to get drunk as hell...I'm good for it if you are :b
you'll have to drink extra for me, though...as I'm a LIGHTWEIGHT drinker
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Hey I didn't know David posted here. I have to check his post history. *rubs hands together with evil face*
Hurricane_Chris
DDK
DCharlie said:
damn you! i'm about to go into the office for a few hours right now...
:-(
drinking and coding..anyone try that before?
davidjaffe said:
You must not be a sports fan or know many sports fans.
I dont know about others but sometimes I will just use GAF as a game of picking a side and argue for the sake of seeing if you can out bullshit the other posters, kind of a mock trial so to say. I dont truely believe or really care about half the shit I say most of the time. Do I hate the Xbox or Gamecube?, nah, I truely enjoy them all but I do like picking a side and trying to make the other camps look stupid whenever I get the chance. Its a good stress reliever.
davidjaffe said:Yeah but I guess my point is: why is there a Sony majority in the first place? Hell, I love the movies but I'm not all like:
Oh yeah man, have you seen Universal Studio's slate of pics this year? They are gonna kick the living crap out of stupid old Disney! And Miramax, shoot man, they shouldn't even both showing up....they should get out of the biz all together!!!!
Still...
I'm not trying to be all Rodney King here, and hey, maybe it's just fun right? Like rooting for UCLA or USC? It's just a fun thing to bitch about...I guess I can see that. Maybe being on the inside of the process, we just look out and wonder- since we can't see it from just a fan perspective- what the big deal is?
Kinda reminds me of that scene in FEVER PITCH where Jimmy Fallon catches some of the ball players from the Sox having dinner with the enemy (i.e. the other team) and he just can't get his head around it....but the players are just like: dude, we're all just making a living here, having a good time.
But no, I guess I understand. So, with that said:
XBOX 360 IS CRAP!!!! BUY PS3 ALL THE WAY!!!!!
David
ps. on the same subject, don't you HATE editorials that talk about the GAMING WARS and try to calm everyone down and they ALWAYS end with the same cliche: but we- as gamers- all win!!!
It's like, dudes, if you are going to write an editorial then please- for the love of god, CAN WE STOP THE GOD DAMNED HAMMERING (ok, that's obscure)...but PLEASE, if you are gonna do an editorial, have an original thought and tell me something new and interesting...isn't that the point of an editorial?
You just gotta know your source. This is the same forum which is already proclaiming Loco Roco PSP game of the year. I'm sure it'll be a great game, but the best PSP game to come out this year? No way.
So you're basically basing your opinion on:davidjaffe said:
- what other devs have tell you
- the crappy performance of a dual G5 + X800 (completely different from the actual Xbox360 hardware)
- the comparison between some PS3 exclusive games and what you've seen for the Xbox360 (aka the crappy games on dual G5 + X800)
Well, I wonder if the opinion of those other devs has a little more solid bases than yours...
from what i understand, Carmack prefers 360 graphics development because it provides insight in how future pc cards will work.
Xenos has features and capabilities that are clearly beyond the current Shader Model 3.0 DirectX9 specification, while it lacks features that are expected to be a requirement for WGF2.0.
that does not mean 360 has more raw power as a whole though.
Xenos has features and capabilities that are clearly beyond the current Shader Model 3.0 DirectX9 specification, while it lacks features that are expected to be a requirement for WGF2.0.
that does not mean 360 has more raw power as a whole though.
Cuth said:
Remember too that the Twisted Metal Series is not known for it's graphical prowess...so yeah you do weigh the opinion of others based on their accomplishments. The TM series is consistantly fun and makes for great multiplayer...so when it comes to comparing online gaming solutions, I'd be listening with great attention.