unholyrevenger72
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Which Amazo though? Can only use one power set at a time Amazo, or OP as shit DCAU Amazo?
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Which Amazo though? Can only use one power set at a time Amazo, or OP as shit DCAU Amazo?
Etrian Oddity
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Naw I'm talking OP animated Amazo.
That would be awful as there would have to be a massive asspull to have a remotely entertaining ending (especially since that whole "Screw you guys, I'm going home" ending won't work very well in a blockbuster film).
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
If Civil War is BvS done right, an Amazo movie could be what an Ultron movie should have been.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Amazo is just too silly of a name, lol.
Also I hated his OPness in the DCAU. He was the one who gained all the powers ever then went off to be a god and came back and Lex had to talk him out of blowing up the planet right?
Also I hated his OPness in the DCAU. He was the one who gained all the powers ever then went off to be a god and came back and Lex had to talk him out of blowing up the planet right?
Isn't Braniac the better example?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
It felt like a major oversight to not introduce Braniac in Man of Steel's intro. Not even as an upfront villain or anything, just have him in the Krypton scenes doing stuff. Then later on you can explain that it was really him that killed Uncle Ben on the down low when it becomes time for him to be the villain in a future movie.
That little robot thing could have been Brainiac.
broncobuster
Banned
Thematically, I'm partial to the idea of another hero-villain. Black Adam, Sinestro, Orm, or even Darkseid a little twisted to represent heroism warped into totalitarian rule or vengeance. Mainly, I want any Injustice or Justice Lords scenario put to rest by challenging it now.
unholyrevenger72
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nah, he came back to kill Luthor, then Luthor is like you don't know what to do with all of your power, then their best friends then Amazo decides to study with Dr. Fate.
Seriously. WTF, Snyder. Of all the backstory trappings to jettison...
I can't remember, are we even given a throwaway excuse as to why Krypton isn't evacuated prior to its demise? Having Brainiac dupe the council until it was too late would have made so much sense.
Eh, Ultron and Brainiac are very similar on paper but I'd argue they're actually more different than say Darkseid and Thanos. Brainiac is cold, calculating intelligence driven by the pursuit of ultimate knowledge whereas Ultron is a walking contradiction of insanity born from ego.
IMO getting Ultron "right" is a sight more difficult because he's such a foil for Hank Pym (or Tony Stark in the MCU) while also tiptoeing between pure menace and absurd camp. He really is a nightmare Pinocchio story. Brainiac in comparison should be a much more straightforward adversary.
MisterHero
Super Member
You can't use Amazo.
First of all he can use the League's powers. Second of all, Superman's powers in the wrong hands would really be destructive. Thirdly, Superman has to equal his power without causing collateral damage. The other 5 or 6 of the League could all be put on civilian rescue duty. Green Lantern and Flash could move/shield everyone.
In fact, Superman can't fight anyone anymore.
Krypton in Man of Steel is ruled by absolute bureaucracy. The culture is perpetuated by the absolute height of both religion and science. They also wanted to explore the universe, but 1) their resources ran out, or 2) something else happened (aliens attacked, Eradicator exists, etc.)
In the comics, some Kryptonians started to branch out and turned into an entire civilization of xenophobes. The Daxamites became conquerers. The Eradicator stopped them by making them weak to lead.
All sorts of things could happen. Maybe they discovered what yellow stars could do to them but Krypton was like, "No, we are not leaving this planet!" and purposely killed all the colonies.
Btw the World Engine could be a reference to Mongul
First of all he can use the League's powers. Second of all, Superman's powers in the wrong hands would really be destructive. Thirdly, Superman has to equal his power without causing collateral damage. The other 5 or 6 of the League could all be put on civilian rescue duty. Green Lantern and Flash could move/shield everyone.
In fact, Superman can't fight anyone anymore.
Brainiac is Coluan, not Kryptonian. TAS and Smallville use him differently, but other races could be interesting too.
Krypton in Man of Steel is ruled by absolute bureaucracy. The culture is perpetuated by the absolute height of both religion and science. They also wanted to explore the universe, but 1) their resources ran out, or 2) something else happened (aliens attacked, Eradicator exists, etc.)
In the comics, some Kryptonians started to branch out and turned into an entire civilization of xenophobes. The Daxamites became conquerers. The Eradicator stopped them by making them weak to lead.
All sorts of things could happen. Maybe they discovered what yellow stars could do to them but Krypton was like, "No, we are not leaving this planet!" and purposely killed all the colonies.
Btw the World Engine could be a reference to Mongul
ThoseDeafMutes
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Not really, it's more the classic excuse of merely that nobody believed it until it was too late and it was happening much sooner than expected. There was enough fuzziness that we can assume that potentially a few people might have evacuated, just not lots. There was time between Jor El warning the council, the coup failing, and their being sent to the phantom zone, I like to assume there was a few days there although that's just my idea, it's not like the movie establishes a firm timeline. I guess it's possible they shipped them right back immediately and it was literally like 1 hour later that they got banished to the phantom zone.
The Kryptonians abandoned their colonies for an inward focus and while they do have space technology it doesn't seem like they would have had a lot of transports on hand at short notice. Zod's stuff was allegedly cobbled together, the phantom zone generator was mcguyverred into a phantom drive and the rest of the stuff was reclaimed technology from the glory days of the empire.
We can assume Braniac was there behind the scenes misleading them deliberately and he knew about it, they can definitely retcon that in, but it would have been nice if it was there from the start.
Oh I just meant on a superficial level. Where Ultron really exists everywhere, so does Braniac to an extent. Their motives are way different, but their skillset is similar. Brainiac done right and getting that feeling that he's everywhere but no where is something that AOU faltered on with Ultron. Ultron copies because like Power Ranger putties and him being there smack dab in the middle was so stupid considering he could be anywhere he wanted to be.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
no, but the kryptonian government is basically an analogue the USgovernment. Some of the council may believe it to be happening but at the same enough people don't believe it to gridlock any progress.
This cinematic universe could use some silliness. So damn dreary it's depressing to watch.
evil solrac v3.0
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not yet. the people have stumbled, the joining in the sun comes later.
Discotheque
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there's a movie coming in august for that then. and flash. and shazam too.
i hope snyder stays the course in the tone because honestly the first 20 minutes of BvS is one of the best superhero movies of all time. But once he has to tell a story and handle the plot threads the film shits itself.
Zack is so good at iconography but he frankly sucks at storytelling, or dramatic scenes. Basically anything involving dialogue is pretty off in all of his movies imo. More silliness would have gotten better word of mouth and repeat viewings but at the end of the day his faults as a filmmaker would still remain.
I am excited for his justice league movie out of sheer curiosity. I'm not expecting a good movie at all, still i'm pretty damn interested what he attempts with it. I don't think it will be anything like other superhero team up films, the prospect of that is kinda exciting.
edit: fwiw though I think terrio mentioned JL will be lighter in tone.
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Lord Virgin
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You know how in Avengers they were fighting each other for a moment before teaming up? JL will be just that, 2.5 hours of the JL-members fighting each other to the death. With Batman as the winner of course. Standing above all.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
seriously, I wouldn't mind.
Schweinehund
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I would have liked Black Adam + Vandal Savage, the double ancient threat duo. Have Vandal make an omac army from intel retrieved from Waller after the events of suicide squad.
So then the climax scene would be WW, Superman & Aquaman fight Adam (trying to convert him into a hero, while Adam stays honorable by not killing Civilians but still listens to Vandal) while Flash/Cyborg run around saving people/fighting omac's and Batman tracks Vandal down to have a crazy ass martial arts fight. Ends with Vandal revealing to having killed Adam's family (kind of his own version of Lex Luthor, manipulating him
), Adam surrendering, and then a creation of a new champion to cut Adam's power in half. Would tie into Shazam perfectly, using the Rock as another big draw to the JL film. Unfortunately none of this could happen because of the rock's schedule of d-tier films .
Orm + Starro would be cool too.
So then the climax scene would be WW, Superman & Aquaman fight Adam (trying to convert him into a hero, while Adam stays honorable by not killing Civilians but still listens to Vandal) while Flash/Cyborg run around saving people/fighting omac's and Batman tracks Vandal down to have a crazy ass martial arts fight. Ends with Vandal revealing to having killed Adam's family (kind of his own version of Lex Luthor, manipulating him
), Adam surrendering, and then a creation of a new champion to cut Adam's power in half. Would tie into Shazam perfectly, using the Rock as another big draw to the JL film. Unfortunately none of this could happen because of the rock's schedule of d-tier films .Orm + Starro would be cool too.
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Lord Virgin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
A retcon would be nice, though unlikely until some time after JL2. Maybe we'll get a MoS sequel without Snyder (watch as they bring in someone like Brett Ratner instead lol)
Yeah, as much as I enjoyed AoU, it was full of missed opportunities.
Krypton was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
I mean at least say what it is so people don't just click on it and get a cool moment ruined by shitty quality.
Wonder Woman's entrance in BvS
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Lord Virgin
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Yeah, too bad it's not HD. Hope they'll upload a better version of it. I saw the movie 4 times in theaters and every single time people cheered and clapped at that moment. sogood.gif
I'm seeing it again tonight. Will be my 5th.
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Lord Virgin
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I'm going this sunday, it'll be my 4th. Every time I see it again, I like it more. Can't wait for the DC.
Kenzodielocke
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Going to watch Civil War tomorrow, time to wash that dirt out of my mouth that is called Batman v Superman.
we get it
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I don't know if you read my posts here, but this was actually a bait post.
So, Hook, line and sinker.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
Don't know about best moment, but it was awesome as hell. I went nuts in the theater, gotta be honest.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Just out of curiosity, do you do this for every movie you really like? Personally, I just watch a movie I love twice at most in theaters then buy the Blu-Ray later.
Oh yeah. I'll likely see Civil War a few times as well. Assuming I like it of course but I doubt there's a chance I won't.
Deadpool is the only movie in recent memory I really liked but only saw once. But that was just due to lack of time during its run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
Would have been better if she had chopped Batmans head off.
Question. Seeing as you're a fellow Superman fan.
Did it come off as hilariously absurd to you as it did to me that pretty much everyone involved in the Doomsday battle is partly responsible for Superman's death?
Batman brought the kryptonite weapon.
Wonder Woman cut off the limb that creates the spike then fails to contain Doomsday at a pivotal moment.
Batman pollutes the area with kryptonite gas which we know has a lasting but temporary effect.
Lois almost kills herself trying to get the krypronite weapon that Superman has to get and use himself.
Wonder Woman cut off the limb that creates the spike then fails to contain Doomsday at a pivotal moment.
Batman pollutes the area with kryptonite gas which we know has a lasting but temporary effect.
Lois almost kills herself trying to get the krypronite weapon that Superman has to get and use himself.
Never noted that but I guess it plays into:
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He died for and forgave our sins.
I think all the muddiness, uncertainty, and misunderstanding is supposed to lead up to
this single moment of pure sacrifice where he does it regardless of how stupid, cruel, wrong, petty, complicit, etc. you were in his death. That's the thing that gets crystallized and honored in his death. It's the thing that gets immortalized as the superhero... the ideal everyone aspires to and is inspired by.
At least I personally didn't have a similar fistpump feeling in any of the Nolan Batman films, but to be fair they were more grounded. Can't wait for the WW solo! Even the opening credits is something out of this world. I think the only other scene in superhero movies that compares is when Tony Stark goes rambo in the terrorist camp, flies out and his shoddily built suit breaks in a million pieces on impact. That was a great moment for him. None of the other movies really captured his vulnerabilities as a man. Even during his heroic moment in Avengers, it didn't have any sort od dramatic impact on me because I never had any doubt he would survive. Also it was stupid as hell.
DecoReturns
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To bad it got ruined to me with that lame joke that followed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
Also slight nitpick, but here I saw Ben Affleck in a bat suit rather then Batman. I think Batman should have clever humor instead. It just threw me off for a second.
Smokey_Run
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What a shitty excuse. Welcome to 2016, get with the times. Outside of SS, WB did the right thing releasing their footage within minutes on YouTube last year.
Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, they need to stream the whole even + all the footage to the internet on Youtube & Twitch. I don't actually believe that people go there to see the snippets. They want to see the actors & directors and ask questions.
Smokey_Run
Member
Agreed. If they are paranoid about showing unfinished footage, which is ironic considering they're showing it to the most vocal and jaded crowd, they should just throw in a huge "This promotional material uses unfinished effects and scenes and is not representative of the final product" tag before the footage starts like game demos.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Not even, they just want to have that comic con experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al0-ks6nRBY
Best moment in any superhero movie ever. Period. That was just awesome.
I'll be honest, I don't really like Wonder Woman's theme. It's cool in the moment, but to me it doesn't fit the character in general. Being more or less a demigod from a world inspired by ancient Greece, I always imagined her having something more grand and majestic sounding, as opposed to a sick guitar riff.
Actually, you know what? The Gladiator soundtrack is almost exactly what I hear when I picture Wonder Woman. Ancient, otherworldly, powerful, and beautiful.
They did that before X-Men Apocalypse and it didn't help the storm that followed with Ivan Ooze comparisons.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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I keep hearing Immigrant Song, which should be a compliment! Just, it feels off.
Yeah, audiences don't really appreciate things like "test footage" and "we only started shooting like a month ago." As far as they're concerned, if you show something, it better be 100% on point. Circumstances be damned.
Suicide Squad came with a much more polished trailer. X-Men really was barely ready to show, but I guess with comic Con going on, Fox felt obligated to show something.
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