There's absolutely nothing about Zemo that makes him interesting in his own right.
The only reason people say he's a good villain is because his plan actually works.
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There's absolutely nothing about Zemo that makes him interesting in his own right.
I kind of have some hope for those movies going forward given that they've acknowledged they need to break away from the formula. Hopefully Dr. Strange feels a bit different from the norm.
GreyOcelot
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civil war definitely tackles some very similar subject matter as BvS, but i wholeheartedly reject the idea that it fully realizes them on any real level. it brings up a lot of interesting questions and themes, but it completely abandons them about halfway through the movie. there is zero payoff thematically. it was a good movie, but it's really not doing anything more than any other good, fun marvel movie has done already
Discotheque
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Yeah. Singer was always God tier at individual hero action scenes like nightcrawler vs white house, wolverine vs the mansion invaders, superman rescuing the plane, quicksilver etc. But in dofp he finally got a damn good team sequence going too with the future scene.
Im pretty hyped about the stuff he'll pull off with the new xmen. Reviews start popping up tomorrow btw. People have seen it.
Dofp my favorite of the genre since TDK. Civil War second and Deadpool third. But if apocalypse is of similar quality to dofp then that's already knocking some movies down in ranking for me. Hearing that X2 theme again in theaters in the opening was so good. It better happen again with this one.
Snyder did some good hand to hand stuff with batman but I'm surprised at how bad the batmobile scene was. It didn't have shit on the Nolan tumbler stuff imo. And as for the trinity scene I think he could stand to look at civil war for inspiration. Cap and Bucky vs iron man played out so much better and clearer.
Going to cross post when I posted in the "Liked BvS more then Civil War" thread. Haven't gone into the OT or Spoiler thread yet.
In addition to this I certainly feel BvS has more "weight" to it in terms of stakes. The films do have similarities though. More then I thought they would. Civil War has a more emotional stake, and it should because we've followed these characters for a long time, but I feel that's only really the case in a big way at the end. Not at all before that. I will call BS on anyone that tries to claim it was a emotional roller coaster (the hyperbole that an be used) from start to finish or even during the first 3/4 of the film.
In addition to this I certainly feel BvS has more "weight" to it in terms of stakes. The films do have similarities though. More then I thought they would. Civil War has a more emotional stake, and it should because we've followed these characters for a long time, but I feel that's only really the case in a big way at the end. Not at all before that. I will call BS on anyone that tries to claim it was a emotional roller coaster (the hyperbole that an be used) from start to finish or even during the first 3/4 of the film.
unholyrevenger72
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Lord Virgin
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Get your head checked.
ANBUcaptainACID
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Im surprised they arent throwing a party in OT for Zootopia passing BvS domestically. Some of them acted as if their lives were at stake. Smh
The action in X1 and X2 in general hasn't aged very well, though I still wouldn't call them outright bad.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/holy-social-security-older-stars-890301 said:
Great article in general, but this is pertinent. He must be playing a New God right?
I am johnsing for JL casting news
X1 aged pretty bad. X2 is some hype ass shit. Love X2.
Discotheque
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Probably. I think Martian Manhunter seems appropriate for him too but there are no signs of that happening in this universe even in the comic lineup
Poodlestrike
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Dafoe as Highfather would be an interesting cast.
Discotheque
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Wouldn't that dude be over a 100 years old?
X2 has some great bits but the wire work is indeed pretty obvious in every action scene. There's this weird lack of momentum with a lot of blows and leaps like you get in wire-fu films. It was made at a different time though when CG couldn't help out as much with stuff like that so you gotta take it for what it is. Thankfully, DoFP didn't have this problem.
unholyrevenger72
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The wire work in x1 and 2 has always been shoddy, but the composition of the action still holds up.
Also Dafoe for Old Wizard Shazam plz.
bryanee
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Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw that comment.
Schweinehund
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As much as I wish Dafoe was the Wizard, I'm not expecting too many Shazam references, I don't even think Snyder is a fan of a character, he traditionally embodies the opposite of his usual style & comic stories he's interested in. Hell I'm surprised he's on the slate.
Anyway Dafoe's role is sounding more significant than I thought, I thought he'd just be a government or military figure. Hal Jordan would be the craziest thing, but I think it's more likely he's a new god.
Right now sucks though in terms of news :/. Think we're in for a dry spell until SDCC. Atleast Rebirth is coming up fast, and we'll probably get Suicide Squad, Superman or Injustice at E3.
Anyway Dafoe's role is sounding more significant than I thought, I thought he'd just be a government or military figure. Hal Jordan would be the craziest thing, but I think it's more likely he's a new god.
Right now sucks though in terms of news :/. Think we're in for a dry spell until SDCC. Atleast Rebirth is coming up fast, and we'll probably get Suicide Squad, Superman or Injustice at E3.
That big huge airport fight was unnecessary, turned a very serious movie into a Spider-Man/Ant-Man front-center comedic stage play.
Spider-Man was also waaaay out of place.
And the stakes in this movie were.....Rhodey almost dying lol....
It really felt a lot like all the other Marvel movies at the end of the day.
The Civil War comic (which I disliked) had much, much more at stake.
And the best fight scene was Panther vs Bucky on the rooftop.
Oh shit.
Singer hasn't let me down, but I'm a bit worried about the new cast, aside from Tye Sheridan and Oscar Isacc
Really looking forward to it. I loved Fury. Plus I really like the cast and the whole vibe of the film so far. I'm thinking it will be the first film in the DCCU I actually enjoy.
Poodlestrike
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Awkward.
First of all, hell yes.
Second of all, he's going to be replaced by his Generational Xerox'd grandson, Steve Trevor (named after his granddad, he's a WWI war hero dontcha know), which makes his attraction to Diana super awkward.
BadAss2961
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Hello darkness, my old friend...
I think that would be cheap, telenovela-like.
Poodlestrike
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m8 they're not signing Steve Trevor for only one movie.
Besides, it's such a comics move. I can't complain.
Just freeze the old man. The Amazons are immortal aren't they? They surely have some hyperbolic chamber or some shit,
Sorry to hear that Icon.
I'd be more bothered by it and think it's less possible if they hadn't already played that card in the past. That's pretty much what the TV show (the live action show with Lynda Carter) did I believe. If they don't someone bring Trevor into the present or Pine's not playing Trevor's grandson as well then it's a huge waste to bother even casting Chris Pine.
I'd be more bothered by it and think it's less possible if they hadn't already played that card in the past. That's pretty much what the TV show (the live action show with Lynda Carter) did I believe. If they don't someone bring Trevor into the present or Pine's not playing Trevor's grandson as well then it's a huge waste to bother even casting Chris Pine.
Poodlestrike
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Why on earth would that be true?
unholyrevenger72
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Diana gives immortality to Steve through sex.
thehypocrite
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Deaded.
Poodlestrike
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I'm pretty sure a crushed and shattered pelvis is like the opposite of immortality tho
unholyrevenger72
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I said sex, not Snu-Snu
The cartoon didn't do that..They had old man Trevor in the present who Diana went and found. Unless that happens in Unlimited, I only just finished Justice League
Sorry I mean the live action TV show. The one with Lynda Carter. When it switched networks they did a time skip and the actor that played Trevor when the first season was set during WW2 ended up playing the character's grandson after the time jump.
SENPAIatLARGE
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Got back from Civil War today, and I got to say I was blown away with the quality. I was worried going in it would be another Marvel movie, but it broke the formula in surprising ways. Cap and Tonys fight felt real, and the actions each of them took stayed true to their characters. I Know this opinion is divisive, but I loved Zemo, and felt his plans, motivations and schemes made more sense and felt more real than anything Lex did in BvS. It was thrilling to see 3 black heroes on the big screen and see them all be treated properly. Black Panther hit it out of the park. Spider-Man was just the icing on the delicious cake that was Civil War. Definitely one of the best comic book movies of all time. I hope Warner Bros. sees this and decides to add more black heroes to Justice League, because having one token black guy isn't going to fly after Civil War.
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Diversity isnt just black people. DCEU seems plenty diverse so far between Justice League and Suicide Squad.
As far as final battles go, Iron Man vs. Captain America was literally bareknuckle but Batman v Superman was an assassination attempt pretty much. Supes was on defense the whole time as Batman projected all his insecurities on him.
Funnily enough, neither were the idealogical battles the marketing played them up to be. Just straight up raw emotion.
As far as final battles go, Iron Man vs. Captain America was literally bareknuckle but Batman v Superman was an assassination attempt pretty much. Supes was on defense the whole time as Batman projected all his insecurities on him.
Funnily enough, neither were the idealogical battles the marketing played them up to be. Just straight up raw emotion.
I don't think you could convincingly film a scene where two heroes literally come to blows with each other just because they disagree with each others methods, without some outside interference lighting a fuse, and it seems both BvS and Civil War did this (supposedly for the latter, Ill be seeing it tomorrow or later in the week). At the very least I cant picture a scenario playing out like that without seeming utterly silly.
DecoReturns
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Why would WB need Black Heros? Not making it sound racist, but Suicide Squad and JL have a lot of diversity.
I don't want them to just pick some actor that is black to score a few points with the public, it should depend on talent and other factors.
I do want Idris Elba in the DCCU tho, hes a fantastic actor.
I don't want them to just pick some actor that is black to score a few points with the public, it should depend on talent and other factors.
I do want Idris Elba in the DCCU tho, hes a fantastic actor.
SS has multiple PoC and multiple women (Deadshot, Harley, Waller, Rope Guy, Katana, Enchantress, and El Diablo [technically Croc as well, but ehh...I'll leave him off]). JL has two men of color in Cyborg and Aquaman, and potentially two women if my hunch about Mera being the film League's 7th member pans out. Wonder Woman will also portray the Amazons as multi racial.
So yeah. Plenty diversity. Now if you want to say they need more women and PoC in starring roles, I will agree. Though Marvel is slacking here as well. Black Panther will be the first - and for the foreseeable future, only - film starring a man of color in the titular role and Capt Marvel is still a long ways off.
Because there are plenty of talented black actors who deserve a shot to break out and be stars in what is currently the biggest genre of action film. The whole "they should just go based on talent" argument is 1. insulting, given how many talented black actors there are out there, and 2. naive, given how it ignores how often those very actors are looked over so that Hollywood can cast another white guy named Chris regardless of their actual talent in comparison.
And it's not like DC doesn't have black heroes they could use in films. Mr. Terrific, Vixen, Black Lightning (and Thunder/Lightning), Power Girl, John Stewart, Steel, Aqualad, Bronze Tiger, Bumblebee. All could either carry their own movies or make appearances in team movies.
And this is to say nothing of the Asian, Latino, Middle Eastern, etc characters they could be better utilizing.
SENPAIatLARGE
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Growing up as a Black geek, and always hearing my parents go on about the lack of black heroes in the movies, Civil War was huge for me. Diversity across the board is always great, but I have an intense fear that Cyborg is going to be the only Black dude there, constantly make jokes, the job to Darkseid so he can be rebuilt in a sequel. I hope WB sees that a superhero movie can star 3 black heroes having important roles in the story, instead of 1 token on the team. Hell, the only reason Cyborg gets so much play in the comics and media is because he hits the diversity checklist.
If they are really brave they'll make SHAZAM a black kid
Eh, I'd rather they create more original black characters then stick them in white roles. It always creates controversy and is just a band-aide on the problem. And Cyborg will most likely be the only black person on the team as far as the first Justice League movie goes. Later on there will probably be more like Black Lightning, John Stewart, or Mr Terrific. But I'd rather they focus on the initial team first.
SENPAIatLARGE
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Give me one good reason as to why Billy Batson couldn't be a young black kid as in opposed to a white one. What about his character would change?
Because we should create new roles for black people instead of just creating unnecessary controversy every time something like that happens. And studios and comics book publishers use this controversy to gather attention, then when the event has passed they hardly use the character again.
It took like 30 years for most characters to be adapted to movie .... creating new characters DOES NOT help in the short term and in the short term , a kid grew up without a hero fantasy that they could grew up to be a hero instead of something shit
Changing a race of a character is only unnecessary controversy because people HATE CHANGE. You DO NOT stop doing stuff because it pisses bigots
....I understand this talk to Watchmen or even 300 .... but Batman vs Superman ? Justice League ? Those should be comfort food movies all the way in
Changing a race of a character is only unnecessary controversy because people HATE CHANGE. You DO NOT stop doing stuff because it pisses bigots
....I understand this talk to Watchmen or even 300 .... but Batman vs Superman ? Justice League ? Those should be comfort food movies all the way in
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