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[Discotheque]

Nah. I don't like returns more than man of Steel but all the scenes where he goes around saving the city >>> man of Steel action

It was cool in Smallville scene for a bit. But you can only take so much cgi brawling and buildings collapsing and shit. That metropolis sequence sucks. BvS new perspective of that scene was much better. Snyder took that lame "superman threw no punches" argument and went way too far in the other direction in man of Steel. It was dope seeing how much ass the kryptonians could kick tho but I'm already tapped out on that.

Superman also looks cooler when he does God-like rescue sequences tbh. Like when he stops that plane in returns or catches the daily planet globe. Or in man of Steel when he stops the oil rig. Stuff like that puts him over the other heroes. Hopefully snyder considers this in man of Steel 2

 

[Ninjimbo]

Nah. I don't like returns more than man of Steel but all the scenes where he goes around saving the city >>> man of Steel action

It was cool in Smallville scene for a bit. But you can only take so much cgi brawling and buildings collapsing and shit. That metropolis sequence sucks. BvS new perspective of that scene was much better. Snyder took that lame "superman threw no punches" argument and went way too far in the other direction in man of Steel. It was dope seeing how much ass the kryptonians could kick tho but I'm already tapped out on that.

Superman also looks cooler when he does God-like rescue sequences tbh. Like when he stops that plane in returns or catches the daily planet globe. Or in man of Steel when he stops the oil rig. Stuff like that puts him over the other heroes. Hopefully snyder considers this in man of Steel 2

I think what MoS offered was novel at the time so that's why it works so well. The only time we saw Superman punch was in the cartoons and he was so underpowered there.

The Metropolis destruction porn at the end can be a little much, but we know why it exist now so you can view it through a different lens. I think what I like about the Metropolis scenes is that Snyder takes it to a ground level. You end up seeing just how powerful these beings are and all the shots of the people caught in the middle, their fear, is reinforced unto the audience. You start feeling what they're feeling and just how scary it all is. I'm glad Snyder pulled back a little bit in BvS.

Compare it to something like Transformers when the Decepticons level Chicago and even though the sequences look largely the same with skyscrapers collapsing all over the place, they feel very different in tone. In Transformers it's a spectacle and in MoS it's overbearing grimness.

 

[Raptor]

Nah. I don't like returns more than man of Steel but all the scenes where he goes around saving the city >>> man of Steel action

It was cool in Smallville scene for a bit. But you can only take so much cgi brawling and buildings collapsing and shit. That metropolis sequence sucks. BvS new perspective of that scene was much better. Snyder took that lame "superman threw no punches" argument and went way too far in the other direction in man of Steel. It was dope seeing how much ass the kryptonians could kick tho but I'm already tapped out on that.

Superman also looks cooler when he does God-like rescue sequences tbh. Like when he stops that plane in returns or catches the daily planet globe. Or in man of Steel when he stops the oil rig. Stuff like that puts him over the other heroes. Hopefully snyder considers this in man of Steel 2

But you see Disco, MoS did both, Returns did only one of those things.

Is basically the other side of the coin of your take on it, Returns did too much of saving and people me included wanted him to throw a punch for once we didnt got it at all.

MoS did heroic things hell he did it as kid too AND threw punches as an adult.

So basically MoS >>>>> Returns.

 

[Ninjimbo]

"My son was in the bus. He saw what Clark did."

MoS is so badass.

 

[Discotheque]

Agree to disagree with y'all then. The heroic moments in man of Steel were sparse and not as glorious as they made superman look in returns imo. That scene where he saves metropolis in returns is so dope. He basically has everything covered using all his powers at his disposal.

Or when he stopped the plane in returns. Shit like that is the best of the character to me. The superhero that has a whole city's back in an awe inspiring way. Just seeing Cavill scream and break shit isn't as exciting imo.

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

Basically the superman in returns and snyderverse both are God like. But the returns version is all graceful. And snyder seems more into making him look scarier and more badass. And I'm not saying snyder should scrap all of that but a balance would be nice. He has great ideas for these characters but I wish he chilled with trying to make superman look so badass all the time

 

[lovely ladies]

MoS had the greatest action sequences ever filmed for a superhero movie. I have yet to see a movie that beats it.

 

[Ashhong]

Man I don't give a fuck about him saving people. Thought the oil rig scene was whatever. Like, we know Supes can lift shit. I want to see him kicking ass

 

[Raptor]

Agree to disagree with y'all then. The heroic moments in man of Steel were sparse and not as glorious as they made superman look in returns imo. That scene where he saves metropolis in returns is so dope. He basically has everything covered using all his powers at his disposal.

Or when he stopped the plane in returns. Shit like that is the best of the character to me. The superhero that has a whole city's back in an awe inspiring way. Just seeing Cavill scream and break shit isn't as exciting imo.

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

Basically the superman in returns and snyderverse both are God like. But the returns version is all graceful. And snyder seems more into making him look scarier and more badass. And I'm not saying snyder should scrap all of that but a balance would be nice. He has great ideas for these characters but I wish he chilled with trying to make superman look so badass all the time

Snyder Superman is gracefull too, in MoS how he is floating in front of the Army, how he does that All Star shape of flying on the world engine sequence, how he goes outside teh ship all regal and elegant.

Thing is Snyder also portrayed what happened in the Donner movies off screen when he was triaining in the Fortress, he went from noob to full on Superman in minutes, in MoS we see that transition, we saw him struggle with powers and not being able to control them, those yelling and screaming will not look gracefull because he still doesnt know to master his power to the fullest.

Is there for use to see, Donner nor Singer movies gave us Clark before he was all powerfull full on in tune with his powers.

I agree tho, Superman is gracefull, he aint a brute he does not come crashing buildings if he can avoid it, sometimes Snyder Superman resembles that character in Megamind that doesnt give a shit about real state lmao.

Still MoS >>> Returns, baby.

 

[firelogic]

Agree to disagree with y'all then. The heroic moments in man of Steel were sparse and not as glorious as they made superman look in returns imo. That scene where he saves metropolis in returns is so dope. He basically has everything covered using all his powers at his disposal.

Or when he stopped the plane in returns. Shit like that is the best of the character to me. The superhero that has a whole city's back in an awe inspiring way. Just seeing Cavill scream and break shit isn't as exciting imo.

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

Basically the superman in returns and snyderverse both are God like. But the returns version is all graceful. And snyder seems more into making him look scarier and more badass. And I'm not saying snyder should scrap all of that but a balance would be nice. He has great ideas for these characters but I wish he chilled with trying to make superman look so badass all the time

I think it was deliberately sparse and not as heroic because in Man of Steel, he's been Superman for a couple of days. In BvS he's been going around doing good deeds for about a year but he's conflicted with regards to his place in the world because one large portion of mankind is treating him like a God which he's not into and another large portion wants him dead or gone. He doesn't fully embrace his role until the end of the movie. In Justice League he'll be saving kittens from trees, giving thumbs up to waving kids, and smiling with a huge grin and shiny glints coming off his teeth.

Edit: Snyder is giving Superman 3 movies to go through his character arc instead of cramming it all into one. The people who keep saying, "that's not Superman" are speaking prematurely and with too much baggage. I think it's a better experience if you throw away all your preconceived notions of who Superman is and watch them as if this is your first exposure to the character. You might say that a movie should stand on its own without needing other instalments to get the full picture but there's a difference between a movie in a series needing to stand on its own and an over-arching story across multiple movies showing the evolution of a character.

 

[Firemind]

Someone cursed Ben. A movie about gangsters can't bomb this badly. Goddamn.

 

[Ninjimbo]

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

I love that scene and that shot of all the people reaching out to Superman. Not only does it work as a sequence to reinforce the theme of unforeseen consequences, but it also works outside the story as an image to remind the audience of what Superman means to a generation of people. You can take it as a kind of warning. That maybe it's unfair for those people to hold a being like Superman to those ideals. I like how it plays with the psychology of Clark because he wants to be a stabilizing force in the world but he also knows he isn't accepted by it.

BvS is a Superman movie but it's less about Superman the individual and more about Superman the symbol and how perspectives can be shattered and perverted by simple actions.

 

[Ashhong]

Someone cursed Ben. A movie about gangsters can't bomb this badly. Goddamn.

I feel like most of them bomb. How did gangster squad or public events or black mass do?

 

[strafer]

Ben needs to do another Boston crime movie.

 

[Ninjimbo]

Someone cursed Ben. A movie about gangsters can't bomb this badly. Goddamn.

I think it's that people don't want to see bad guys partying and having a good time while the rest of the world lives on the brink of catastrophe. I haven't seen the movie yet so that may be unfair. But that's one of the reasons why I kind of avoided it. I'm just not in the mood for a gangster movie right now. I feel like I see enough of them on the news.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I feel like most of them bomb. How did gangster squad or public events or black mass do?

Mediocre movies.

 

[Discotheque]

I feel like most of them bomb. How did gangster squad or public events or black mass do?

Public Enemy made 200 million which is aiight. The other two around 100

This is doing even worse though. Like really poorly. I think they made a mistake releasing it in January tbh. Plus I think its time ben stops acting in his movies (except batman obviously).

 

[Ross61]

I feel it was going to bomb either way and WB knew it. No need to delay the inevitable.

 

[Raptor]

That movie doesnt look that good to be honest.

 

[Ninjimbo]

Live By Night isn't a bad movie tho, right? I still want to check it out sometime down the line. It's kind of weird that I find myself wanting to check out a Shyamalan movie before an Affleck movie lol.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I have yet to see The Accountant and Live By Night.

Isn't January a month where you put out the trash you produced?

 

[lovely ladies]

Ben needs to do another Boston crime movie.

Live by Night does feature Boston lol. His movies have been flamed by critics ever since he took on the Batman role, can't see Justice League changing that streak either sadly.

 

[Ross61]

 

[Discotheque]

That movie doesnt look that good to be honest.

Well the new Shyamalan movie was fucking amazing. I don't want to drop any spoilers but whew. That ending recontextualizes the movie and mcavoy is fantastic. Proves he's one of the better actors working today. The girl from the witch is good too. Mcavoy was both hilarious and intimidating. I wonder if Dead has seen it yet. Wanna know what he thinks of those last few minutes.

Edit: quoted wrong post lol

 

[Smokey_Run]

I have yet to see The Accountant and Live By Night.

Isn't January a month where you put out the trash you produced?

The Accountant was fine. Scratched the Bourne itch I had better than a Damon/Greengrass Bourne which I would have refused to believe at the beginning of 2016.

As for Live By Night, they shouldn't have run those reviews so damn early. Everyone knew it was bad at the beginning of December. I know they did it because they thought they might have a chance at awards, but people knowing something is bad 6 weeks prior certainly doesn't help.

 

[Ninjimbo]

I have yet to see The Accountant and Live By Night.

Isn't January a month where you put out the trash you produced?

Sometimes it's like that, but every so often you'll see Oscar contenders get dropped in January. I think we had The Revenant drop in January last year and Her the year before.

Well the new Shyamalan movie was fucking amazing. I don't want to drop any spoilers but whew. That ending recontextualizes the movie and mcavoy is fantastic. Proves he's one of the better actors working today. The girl from the witch is good too. Mcavoy was both hilarious and intimidating. I wonder if Dead has seen it yet. Wanna know what he thinks of those last few minutes.

Edit: quoted wrong post lol

Goddammit Disco. I might just go watch Split today lol. McAvoy is one of my favorite actors.

I'm so happy to have Shyamalan back.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Isn't January a month where you put out the trash you produced?

It's when most release shit they don't want anyone to remember. Monster Trucks, Underworld, Resident Evil..yeah lol. Always some exceptions..

 

[strafer]

What is she doing? dubbing?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

What is she doing? dubbing?

Seriously man, what does it look like?

She is boring into the mic.

 

[Ninjimbo]

What is she doing? dubbing?

Looks like it. WW is in street clothes again. I wonder just how many scenes of normalcy we're going to have in the movie. I hope it's a lot.

 

[Ashhong]

Haven't seen it but Live By Night looks pretty boring. I can see why it would bomb. Nowadays a movie has to really be something special to do well, and review well also. People only go to watch action movies or movies with good review scores

 

[Smokey_Run]

So.. is 02:09:40:18 a time stamp?

 

[Wingfan19]

So.. is 02:09:40:18 a time stamp?

Looks like it. So we know the movie is at least 2 hours 10 minutes long, hype!

 

[IconGrist]

What is she doing? dubbing?

ADR. What most people don't realize is there is a bunch of noise that the boom mics catch plus directors yelling out shit the actors have to adjust for on the fly. Every noise gets added to the scene piece by piece in post. This includes the dialogue. I'm not entirely sure it's always required but it's done a lot.

So.. is 02:09:40:18 a time stamp?

I'm not sure what's that for but I doubt it's a timestamp for the movie's finished cut.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

ADR. What most people don't realize is there is a bunch of noise that the boom mics catch plus directors yelling out shit the actors have to adjust for on the fly. Every noise gets added to the scene piece by piece in post. This includes the dialogue. I'm not entirely sure it's always required but it's done a lot.

Remember watching the trailer a couple of days ago and I was actually thinking about just how loud her outfit must be during the filming of action scenes..must be a racket.

 

[Lord Virgin]

Agree to disagree with y'all then. The heroic moments in man of Steel were sparse and not as glorious as they made superman look in returns imo. That scene where he saves metropolis in returns is so dope. He basically has everything covered using all his powers at his disposal.

Or when he stopped the plane in returns. Shit like that is the best of the character to me. The superhero that has a whole city's back in an awe inspiring way. Just seeing Cavill scream and break shit isn't as exciting imo.

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

Basically the superman in returns and snyderverse both are God like. But the returns version is all graceful. And snyder seems more into making him look scarier and more badass. And I'm not saying snyder should scrap all of that but a balance would be nice. He has great ideas for these characters but I wish he chilled with trying to make superman look so badass all the time

Goddamnit Disco, not again.

 

[Smokey_Run]

I'm not sure what's that for but I doubt it's a timestamp for the movie's finished cut.

I just figured it was the timestamp for whatever they have assembled right now.

 

[Discotheque]

Remember watching the trailer a couple of days ago and I was actually thinking about just how loud her outfit must be during the filming of action scenes..must be a racket.

Probably sounds like the tin man

 

[broncobuster]

Agree to disagree with y'all then. The heroic moments in man of Steel were sparse and not as glorious as they made superman look in returns imo. That scene where he saves metropolis in returns is so dope. He basically has everything covered using all his powers at his disposal.

Or when he stopped the plane in returns. Shit like that is the best of the character to me. The superhero that has a whole city's back in an awe inspiring way. Just seeing Cavill scream and break shit isn't as exciting imo.

Like that scene in BvS where he saves the Mexican girl is so weird. It should be such an inspiring scene and it just comes across as really morose in the way it's filmed. Though that wasn't really a superman movie I guess. It was more of batman and lexs perspective of superman throughout.

Basically the superman in returns and snyderverse both are God like. But the returns version is all graceful. And snyder seems more into making him look scarier and more badass. And I'm not saying snyder should scrap all of that but a balance would be nice. He has great ideas for these characters but I wish he chilled with trying to make superman look so badass all the time

Though I'm happy with the BvS there is, making it a Superman movie is one of the sweeping changes I would've liked to see with the script. To use The Dark Knight for comparison, I went in expecting Superman = Batman, Batman = Harvey, Lex = Joker. Greatly expanding Superman's role is a chief reason the ultimate cut is a lot better than the theatrical.

 

[GringoSuave89]

Ay you, Split was fantastic. We will have to talk about it after everyone sees it. So good.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Though I'm happy with the BvS there is, making it a Superman movie is one of the sweeping changes I would've liked to see with the script. To use The Dark Knight for comparison, I went in expecting Superman = Batman, Batman = Harvey, Lex = Joker. Greatly expanding Superman's role is a chief reason the ultimate cut is a lot better than the theatrical.

Agreed..

 

[Bleepey]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228867760&postcount=94

WHat do you lot think of what i wrote here?

 

[LionPride]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228867760&postcount=94

WHat do you lot think of what i wrote here?

When he is not able to save people trapped in their cars. When he is blamed for bombs going off that he could not stop... wait this sounds awfully familiar. Meanwhile Supes wants to do the right thing just cos, he helps people when he can, a waitress from sexual harrassment, oil rig workers from a fire, kids on a bus including the kid who bullies him all whilst showing restraint to not knock the school bully, the guy who pours drinks in his face, the guy who kidnapped his mother into the sun.

Superman is tested throughout the movies and he feels burdened by the fact everything he does has unforeseen consequences. He tries to save the world from a genocidal warlord, is forced to kill Zod and loses his last link to his homeworld, and is blamed for collateral damage that is 99% the other guy's fault.
He tries to tell people that there's a vigilante that is extremely brutal and no one but him seems to give a shit. He tries to save his gf and people getting killed by drone strikes and is accused of causing an international incident that leads to people losing their lives. When he tries to fucking explain himself and his actions to the world, and unlike Cap doesn't feel above the law (yeah i went there Veelk, Guelk etc sue me), he is not given the chance to because he believes that his very presence caused a man to try to assassinate him leading to a shit tonne of deaths.

Captain America started losing his (barely) sunny disposition around Age of Ultron, meanwhile Clark has had people talk shit to him since he was like 10 and then people wonder (falsely) why Superman never smiles!

Cut all of this out and it's fine

 

[broncobuster]

As usual, Warners won't have a Super Bowl spot. Wonder Woman might show up in other ads. Doubtful of anything Justice League.

Last year's Turkish Airlines ads were dope. And in truth, Jesse's Lex might've been closer to what people wanted out of the character than what's in BvS.

https://youtu.be/tXek6jW3eWI

 

[IconGrist]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228867760&postcount=94

WHat do you lot think of what i wrote here?

When you have to curse to emphasize your point no one takes it seriously. You already have a history of being largely biased. In your post you bring Marvel into the conversation for zero reason. The post you quoted asked about Superman so there was no need to bring up any Marvel character. Your inability to explain a) without throwing mud at Marvel and b) without cursing means even if you have a decent argument no one is going to give you meaningful conversation about it. Especially when you start calling out other users.

Another thing is you extrapolated a lot of that. It's fine to do that for personal entertainment but it doesn't do any good as a basis in a back and forth discussion where the literal content is called into question.

 

[BadAss2961]

When you have to curse to emphasize your point no one takes it seriously. You already have a history of being largely biased. In your post you bring Marvel into the conversation for zero reason. The post you quoted asked about Superman so there was no need to bring up any Marvel character. Your inability to explain a) without throwing mud at Marvel and b) without cursing means even if you have a decent argument no one is going to give you meaningful conversation about it. Especially when you start calling out other users.

Another thing is you extrapolated a lot of that. It's fine to do that for personal entertainment but it doesn't do any good as a basis in a back and forth discussion where the literal content is called into question.

I dug it. lol

I imagine Bleepey brings up Marvel because he's not just talking to the guy he quoted, but to all the MCU guys who might kill the DCEU for one thing while overlooking their same trivial issue on Marvel's end. Reason for doing this is because no one has the time to respond to brick walls all day -- there's practically no DC defense force here, so anyone who likes these movies will usually be alone from thread to thread with tons of drive-by opposition. So you get all your licks in while you can without caring for any serious conversation you know you won't be getting anyway.

It's mostly shits and giggles over at OT, so it's fun to dish back sometimes.

 

[J_Viper]

Resident Evil: The Final Chapter has a higher RT than BvS

 

[Raptor]

I dug it. lol

I imagine Bleepey brings up Marvel because he's not just talking to the guy he quoted, but to all the MCU guys who might kill the DCEU for one thing while overlooking their same trivial issue on Marvel's end. Reason for doing this is because no one has the time to respond to brick walls all day -- there's practically no DC defense force here, so anyone who likes these movies will usually be alone from thread to thread with tons of drive-by opposition. So you get all your licks in while you can without caring for any serious conversation you know you won't be getting anyway.

It's mostly shits and giggles over at OT, so it's fun to dish back sometimes.

Is hard to have a defense force if 2/3 of the movies of the DC were disapointments even for DC fans like myself.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Y'all need cheeses..

 

[BadAss2961]

Y'all need cheeses..

 

[LionPride]

When you have to curse to emphasize your point no one takes it seriously. You already have a history of being largely biased. In your post you bring Marvel into the conversation for zero reason. The post you quoted asked about Superman so there was no need to bring up any Marvel character. Your inability to explain a) without throwing mud at Marvel and b) without cursing means even if you have a decent argument no one is going to give you meaningful conversation about it. Especially when you start calling out other users.

Another thing is you extrapolated a lot of that. It's fine to do that for personal entertainment but it doesn't do any good as a basis in a back and forth discussion where the literal content is called into question.

Hmm...