BlackGhost
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Till haven't checked out Gotham, alittle apprehensive.
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BKatastrophe
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Razgriz-Specter
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She was never intended to be that Barbara, I don't get why people kept saying that and even complaining about it.
But that isn't the Batgirl im talking about,
They cast a nearly 30 year old to play her(Bette Kane), but cut her scenes from the episode.
Thats just going to far with the mythos and either they ruin the show with her as a vigilante pre-Batman or she serves zero purpose other than a really awful namedrop.
BKatastrophe
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She was never intended to be that Barbara, I don't get why people kept saying that and even complaining about it.
But that isn't the Batgirl im talking about,
They cast a nearly 30 year old to play her(Bette Kane), but cut her scenes from the episode.
I didn't even know this. Well shit.
BlackGhost
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LOL I don't even know how to take this.
I gotta go back and finish Gotham. That show was pure fuckery.
Totally agreed.
I feel like the love triangle could have worked if 1. Ray weren't clearly a better a choice for her and 2. there was some more actual tension between her and Ray over her flip flopping between him and Oliver. Ray just seemed like he was way too understanding of her situation and too okay with just being the consolation prize. Granted, thematically, Ray was meant to represent the safe, stable choice that would give Felicity the control she needed in her life - hence why his becoming Atom pissed her all the way off at first. But over time, it felt like he was being way too passive and accepting.
The reason Felicity's arc bothered me so much this season goes back to why I compare her to Laurel in Season 1 - early 2. She does so much of the same shit Laurel used to do: the playing the victim, the barking orders and expecting everyone to just fall in line, the moral grandstanding (even while she herself is doing some janky shit), etc. But the difference is that we've seen Laurel dragged through the mud for that kind of behavior while Felicity has come out relatively unscathed and getting everything she wanted. We see her go through a lot of emotional turmoil, yes, but it's usually framed as someone did something wrong to her as opposed to being the result of her actions.
Totally agreed.
I feel like the love triangle could have worked if 1. Ray weren't clearly a better a choice for her and 2. there was some more actual tension between her and Ray over her flip flopping between him and Oliver. Ray just seemed like he was way too understanding of her situation and too okay with just being the consolation prize. Granted, thematically, Ray was meant to represent the safe, stable choice that would give Felicity the control she needed in her life - hence why his becoming Atom pissed her all the way off at first. But over time, it felt like he was being way too passive and accepting.
The reason Felicity's arc bothered me so much this season goes back to why I compare her to Laurel in Season 1 - early 2. She does so much of the same shit Laurel used to do: the playing the victim, the barking orders and expecting everyone to just fall in line, the moral grandstanding (even while she herself is doing some janky shit), etc. But the difference is that we've seen Laurel dragged through the mud for that kind of behavior while Felicity has come out relatively unscathed and getting everything she wanted. We see her go through a lot of emotional turmoil, yes, but it's usually framed as someone did something wrong to her as opposed to being the result of her actions.
BKatastrophe
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"Bonkers" is a more accurate word.
That show is absolutely bonkers.
It sort of leads back to another problem I have with this show (and The Flash) is that the writers tend to sacrifice character for the sake of plot. For example: Laurel's lying during S3. While I understand her lying for a short period of time (like, the first 5 episodes), her lying for 2/3 of the season was clearly used as a means to get Lance to get the SCPD to hunt down the Arrow. Since S3 had focus on destroying the Arrow/Oliver. The problem is that it assassinates Laurel as a character, but on top of that it makes everyone else terrible people as well, since they were in on the lie and even helped perpetuate it.
I feel like the writers allowed Felicity to get so ridiculous because they needed the relationships in her arc to progress to certain points and facilitate the plot progression, but also wanted to keep her in the right, since she has been the "moral center" of Team Arrow. At some point you have to sacrifice one of those in order to make a realistic and believable character. You most certainly can't have her try to convince her ex to sacrifice the city for her other ex-but-not-really-ex, then have her pilot the Atom suit in order to save said ex-but-not-really-ex, and then never receive any comeuppance for those actions (reckless, foolish, and blatantly selfish). Or say, grandstanding at the leader of a massive League of Assassins. Stuff like that.
Razgriz-Specter
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Its weird as hell but works the majority of the time.
They actually corrected many problems within the season and it definitely got much better like 6 episodes in.
Literally only thing I wanted going into season 2 was a time jump or a "LOL comics" age up for Bruce.
Of all the comic show last season, Gotham had my favorite scene of all.
BKatastrophe
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Many people on here argued that Ray piloted it using his remote device from earlier. My big issue is that they never state it nor even allude to that being the case. Granted, it probably is the case, because why else would they have introduced that device in the first place, but there's no indication of that. As far as I am concerned, Felicity climbed into the suit and flew it herself.
Does anyone know if the CW is planning on re-running Season 3 of Arrow prior to the new season? (when?) I have been pushing through the Arrow seasons to catch up before Arrow/Flash/Legends of Tomorrow starts again.
I'm currently about halfway through season 2 of Arrow and am looking forward to continuing on. I have episodes 2-9 of season 3 DVR'ed. But will need season 3 episode 1 first. Is my only option buying the episode on Amazon for $3? Seems like a waste - especially if I end up needing to buy the discs to see the later half of the season anyway . When I started this I figured the first few episodes at least would be available on the CW online, but they aren't. I assume they won't be up on netflix until after the bluray is released. Any other options? Or do I need to just take a break and wait until they re-air the season
I'm currently about halfway through season 2 of Arrow and am looking forward to continuing on. I have episodes 2-9 of season 3 DVR'ed. But will need season 3 episode 1 first. Is my only option buying the episode on Amazon for $3? Seems like a waste - especially if I end up needing to buy the discs to see the later half of the season anyway . When I started this I figured the first few episodes at least would be available on the CW online, but they aren't. I assume they won't be up on netflix until after the bluray is released. Any other options? Or do I need to just take a break and wait until they re-air the season
They are re-running Arrow, but think like half way through the season.
BKatastrophe
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And I had my issues with that, too, even though it could also be suggested that Rhodes spending all his time around Tony would have learned how, but even then that doesn't really work. Regardless, I have issues with it. It's going to bother me.
That's what I figured since I got episodes 2-9 on DVR. But looking at upcoming recordings there is nothing on my DVR queue for Arrow scheduled so I was really confused. No idea how I missed the first episode though :/ I guess I"ll just buy episode one, continue on with what I have, and DVR the rest of the season as it airs. Thanks
I'd love to see them explain their resurrected love throughout time
This is pretty nifty, the CW is streaming all episodes of the original The Flash TV series
http://www.cwseed.com/shows/the-flash-classic/
http://www.cwseed.com/shows/the-flash-classic/
well then. i know what i'm doing tonight
Lucy Lane comes to Supergirl!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jenna-dewan-tatum-lucy-lane-812880
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jenna-dewan-tatum-lucy-lane-812880
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
The press release from DC:
The Scarlet Speedster's blockbuster CW series starring Grant Gustin doesnt return until October 6th, but The CW has something for Flash fans that may make the wait a little bit easier. Starting today, you can now stream every episode of the 1990-1991 version of The Flash through their online channel, CW Seed.
Starring John Wesley Shipp in the title role and boasting a title theme composed by Danny Elfman, the 90s Flash originally aired on CBS. While the show only ran for one season, it did get a chance to delve into the Flash's comic book mythology, introducing characters like Iris West and Linda Park and villains such as Captain Cold, Mirror Master and the Trickster (played by Mark Hamill).
This earlier version of The Flash isnt exactly in continuity with the current CW take, but the newer show often pays tribute to it. Several of the 90s Flash actors have been cast in recurring or guest roles on todays show. Shipp now plays Barry Allens father, while Amanda Pays, who played S.T.A.R. Labs Dr. Tina McGee on the earlier show, has appeared a few times as the same character in the new one and Hamill reprised his role as the Trickster in a memorable episode last spring.
While the special effects and costumes may seem a bit dated by todays standards, the 1990s Flash is still a blast and well worth a look if you havent seen it. While youre at it, you may want to bookmark the CW Seeds page or download the CW Seed app for iPhone/iPad or Android. Vixen, the animated series set within the Arrow and Flash universe and featuring the voices of Gustin and Stephen Amell, debuts there on August 25th.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
PhoncipleBone
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Yesssssss.
Pulling for a tag team match where he has Jared Padalecki as his partner.
BKatastrophe
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Who's to say that they won't? At least Nth Metal. It's a pretty integral part of the DCU. If they manage to go cosmic, they can go to Thanagar.
It didn't make sense within the DCAU. Lawd knows it won't here.
My point is that they've had a hard enough time keeping the Hawks origins consistent in the comics, streamlining it to simply "magic" for TV is a good way to handle it. Plus that opens the door for Dr Fate to show up as well.
I really hope they use Kendra's costume from the Earth 2 comics as the basis for the show. The blue and black color scheme looks great.
Such a good costume.
So much better than
I mean god damnit Bruce Timm. You have such awesome design sensibilities, but then for your most badass female character, you just shrug and go with the least interesting costume imaginable? The headpiece is fine, but just the costume. I mean christ.
Now Young Justice Hawkgirl... that was a fucking rad look.
Such a good costume.
So much better than
I mean god damnit Bruce Timm. You have such awesome design sensibilities, but then for your most badass female character, you just shrug and go with the least interesting costume imaginable? The headpiece is fine, but just the costume. I mean christ.
Now Young Justice Hawkgirl... that was a fucking rad look.
And let's not forget Justice League Unlimited Hawkgirl who ditched her entire costume for a sports bra and yoga pants.
I mean... I get why she would. The 'Hawkgirl' persona is pretty much tainted after the Justice League Season 2 finale.
I should also mention her Thanegarian armor was super cool too.
I mean... I get why she would. The 'Hawkgirl' persona is pretty much tainted after the Justice League Season 2 finale.
I should also mention her Thanegarian armor was super cool too.
Yeah plot wise it made sense, but design wise it was just kind of lazy.
BKatastrophe
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Yeah Earth 2 Hawkgirl is cool. I've been reading through Earth 2, and she's a badass.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
It's unfortunate that the 3 seconds of quick and dirty CGI from the Legends of Tomorrow trailer makes it look like they're using Hawkgirl's DCAU Justice League costume as the reference point. The Earth 2 costume is so much better and would translate into a real outfit better, too.
Hopefully it was just a place holder.
Hopefully it was just a place holder.
BKatastrophe
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In fairness to her JLU costume; I never saw it as a costume. She's not "Hawkgirl" anymore, so why wear a costume? Especially one that aligns herself with Thanagar, a planet she has forsaken for Earth. At that point, she has no non-human nor uniquely alien characteristics aside from her mace and her wings, and the mace can be taken away. She's just "Shayera" at that point. Just herself. It makes sense that she would wear just regular athletic clothes, given that she wants the world to see her as a person, not a traitorous alien warrior. Pre that, when she was "Hawkgirl," I have no argument for why that design is bad.
Granted, I feel like she should have worn some kind of battle armor. Only would have made sense, granted the counterpoint is Wonder Woman's outfit, though that has the built-in "it's enchanted!" excuse running for it.
Vandal Savage has been cast
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
Vandal Savage has been cast
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
Holy moly... I like that a lot
Don't know anything about the actor, but that comparison pic sold me
Casper Crump is an amazing nameVandal Savage has been cast
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
Poodlestrike
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Vandal Savage has been cast
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
I see it.
Vandal Savage has been cast
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058
Thinking of making a thread with all the recent casting news for folks who don't frequent the community
Nice!
PHOENIXZERO
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Beats Dean Cain's Curtis "Totally not Vandal Savage" Knox from Smallville.
CreeperBlocks
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This is going to be cool
Jorok Goldblade
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Barbara Keane (Gotham's Barbara) is Jim's first wife in the comics. She's the mother of Jim Gordon Jr (who grew up to be a murderous psychopath), and divorced Jim and took their son out of Gotham.
Batgirl Barbara is the daughter of Jim's wife Roger and his wife Thelma, who died in a car accident. Jim adopted her.
Jim's second wife was Sarah Essen (the Captain on Gotham,) who was killed by Joker in The Killing Joke
Of course, none of this is binding for Gotham. They can (and probably will) go off in an entirely different direction.
Sarah was killed in No Man's Land.
BKatastrophe
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I did not know any of this. I'll be honest.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I won't pretend to have known any of it beforehand either, but I did go read up on it.
Pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Barbara Gordon is Jim's biological daughter.
Post-Crisis, Pre-New 52 Barbara Gordon is Jim's niece whom he adopts when his brother Roger dies.
New 52 Barbara Gordon is back to being Jim's daughter. Her mother is also named Barbara (Kean) Gordon.
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