PHOENIXZERO
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As some point Ray has to stop being a complete, stereotypical good guy dope, right?
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DC's Legends Of Tomorrow |OT| Macho Man Vandal Savage - Thursdays 8/7c
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Get Sara to kick his ass. It didn't work when Snart and Stein did it.
dead souls
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He never bothered me on Arrow but I can't stand him here. This show is so off that it's making me hate characters I actually liked on other shows.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I bet the Snart brothers
hate each other in Earth 2, like democrates and republicans.
Edit: wrong thread, spoilertagged it.
Snart brothers? HeatWave isn't related to him.
If they ever do Mr. Freeze again, he should throw his hat in and try.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I've said it before: you could totally plop him down, as-is, and he wouldn't be out of place on Batman 66.
He'd still be one of the best villains there.
rockman zx
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Is amazing how the Prision Break guys remain the best thing in this show episode after episode. In the other hand I'm really disappointed with what they are doing with Ray, I expected him to have a bigger role in the show, I guess that is coming at some point.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Oh wow, I kinda missed that.
Jax is totally in the right with his complaints, Ray is garbo tier, Kendra has a dumb crazy face, Heatwave is greatest of all time, Rip is a massive disappointment and awful tactician, the ship has a sexy voice, Snart da gawd, Chronos is a punk, Stein is an ass, Catman went to far, Drake didn't go far enough, and Sara is the bedrock of the team.
Also oh no the evil Soviets?
Also oh no the evil Soviets?
Yeah, his real name is Mick Rory. Snart only has Lisa and Lewis as family.
Cipher Peon
Banned
I really enjoyed the latest episode!!!
I now see Rip Hunter as who I imagine the hypothetical narrator for Call of Duty to be. Someone who is just begging you to do the mission his way and bursts into tears whenever you gleefully ignore him.
"Please... Please stop intentionally shooting your NPC allies and going out of your way to blow your cover..."
Hahahaaahahaha
Also Captain Cold is a way better leader than The ATOM. Dude stole the episode
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I now see Rip Hunter as who I imagine the hypothetical narrator for Call of Duty to be. Someone who is just begging you to do the mission his way and bursts into tears whenever you gleefully ignore him.
"Please... Please stop intentionally shooting your NPC allies and going out of your way to blow your cover..."
Hahahaaahahaha
Also Captain Cold is a way better leader than The ATOM. Dude stole the episode
and also many wallets
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Three minutes into this episode and Snart is still the best thing about this show
DangerMouse
Member
Heh. He was fantastic this ep, knew he'd be all gung-ho when Rip said he'd get to shoot something and loved his disappointment when he didn't and then the good line after he ease-dropped.
Plus "I'm gonna go Rocky 4 on your ass" lol. His voice is great for one-liners
Completely agree, they've been awesome, and I expected that too so I hope so.
Yeah. Here's hoping.
Yeah I like it too, though I do agree the writers need to give him something good progress-wise after all this shit they continuously pull on him with some of the embarrassing levels of fail they've lumped on him in a row. He's gotten destroyed in practically every storyline so far.
Snart and Ray stuff has been the best and has so much potential to keep being great.
I thought they'd have shown more signs of him being a leader underneath the naiveness/screwups.
Yup.
Yeah I didn't expect it right there at that point during the ep, but somehow I loved this
The problem is that his powerset is so far out of everyone else's league that if he were remotely competent he'd obsolete the rest of the team. Like at the start of the episode, when he's like "why don't I just shrink down and go grab the file trivially?"
Jorok Goldblade
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Ray needs to do more shrinking, I'm convinced he doesn't do it as much because of budget reasons so storywise they come up with the "Ray is dumb" angle to not have him shrink.
I'm enjoying the show though, but the team needs to pull off something without failing miserably at first. It's like every week they fail so hard.
I'm enjoying the show though, but the team needs to pull off something without failing miserably at first. It's like every week they fail so hard.
Firestorm though.
Firestorm is Flight+Lasers+Science+energy absorption. Atom is Flight+Lasers+Science+shrinking. Shrinking seems way more general-use than energy absorption, which honestly feels kinda shoehorned in every time it comes up. (I'd also generally expect Palmer's science to be better [or at least more useful] than Stein's, as he has more of a practical focus; that hasn't really been the case, but I'd say that's part of their hate-on for Ray).
I mean again, shrinking can be used to sneak pretty much anywhere. That's huge.
MHWilliams
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They're on the low end of actual Firestorm though. I figured they touch transmutation when the nuke was about to go off... but nope.
ThoseDeafMutes
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It would be great if they actually did something correctly, yes. Every time they go on a mission and infiltrate somewhere in my brain it's "how long before the alarm goes off or someone makes them?" They wouldn't need to fail so often if they didn't keep trying to go for the jugular every other episode, but even when it's "we need to go after his X Y or Z" they seem unable to make progress. The show is gonna get old really fast if they keep treading water until the season finale when one of their plots finally works.
The power set of the characters is not even the biggest problem, although yes they do keep finding impressive new ways to squander opportunities to make good use of them. It's the fact that they have a god-damn time machine. Bill and Ted would have finished Savage by now.
PHOENIXZERO
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I've been disappointed that all that training they were supposedly doing that Stein and Ronnie didn't get to do (or finish) and they don't really have anything to show for it.
Firestorm has a lot more then what's been shown so far. Such as...
Ronnie had started to learn transmutation but the scene was cut for time.
Calm waterfall
Banned
Based Cold and Stein. Stein was amazing in this episode.
I assume that if the locks are good enough to keep master thieves like Snart out, that they were locked down enough to keep out small machines. That is at least how they could explain it away.
The Outsider
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I missed last week, but not this week!
RANKING THE LEGENDS: EPISODE 1x04 EDITION
S Tier
-Captain Cold
-Heatwave
-White Canary
A Tier
-Old Firestorm
B Tier
-Atom
-Young Firestorm
C Tier
-Hawkgirl
-Rip Hunter
Captain Cold and Heatwave retain S rankings, of course. Canary stays there on the good will of the first three episodes. Had to drop Ray to B-tier for taking so many Ls in this episode. Rip too. Officially dropped Carter from the rankings because... wait, who the fuck is Carter?
RANKING THE LEGENDS: EPISODE 1x04 EDITION
S Tier
-Captain Cold
-Heatwave
-White Canary
A Tier
-Old Firestorm
B Tier
-Atom
-Young Firestorm
C Tier
-Hawkgirl
-Rip Hunter
Captain Cold and Heatwave retain S rankings, of course. Canary stays there on the good will of the first three episodes. Had to drop Ray to B-tier for taking so many Ls in this episode. Rip too. Officially dropped Carter from the rankings because... wait, who the fuck is Carter?
Jorok Goldblade
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This sounds like a Firefly episode.
Poodlestrike
Banned
DangerMouse
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DangerMouse
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Edit: Double post.
PHOENIXZERO
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From that description...
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How many times are they going to repeat the members of the team getting captured thing
Hopefully lots!
It's a staple plot line of any genre show, especially those with a big traveling team.
It helps to have better villains, which is a huge help for their movies. It also helps that they have a slower build-up for their B/C-list villains through long television shows, instead of one lame introduction in a movie. We still don't know who Cronos is, but he is already more easy to remember than Christopher Eccleston Malekwhat.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm catching up on 3 and 4, but why can't the Legends just... encase Savage in concrete?
We don't know how he comes back when he dies, just that he does. So it might not solve the problem.
Their problem is always how to find him and how to catch him. If they actually had him, then Hawkgirl could kill him.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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So keep him in a chemically induced coma forever.
In episode 3, Rip cut the dude's throat. Why didn't they carry his bleeding out ass onto the ship?
Especially after Savage took the picture of Rip's family and found out their names.
It leads to the problem who is actually doing that, and how to keep that person alive under attack of the time masters.
I still assume they didn't have the right dagger.
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