Razgriz-Specter
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So when they find out past Ray is being attacked, why not maybe go to 5 minutes before he was attacked instead on risking it?
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DC's Legends Of Tomorrow |OT| Macho Man Vandal Savage - Thursdays 8/7c
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Fun episode. So many asspulls when it comes to time travel, but they're just having fun so it doesn't bother me too much. Detective Lance from Arrow was a nice surprise, glad he was able to make a guest appearance.
The Pilgrim was a cool villain. She needed some characterization, but I guess they didn't want to bother since she got killed off in the same episode. Be cool if they brought her back, but her motivation is that she now knows with 100% certainty that these people will kill her, so her past self wants revenge.
I thought this was the penultimate episode, but I guess we have a few more. Curious where they could even go from here.
The Pilgrim was a cool villain. She needed some characterization, but I guess they didn't want to bother since she got killed off in the same episode. Be cool if they brought her back, but her motivation is that she now knows with 100% certainty that these people will kill her, so her past self wants revenge.
I thought this was the penultimate episode, but I guess we have a few more. Curious where they could even go from here.
Also dunno if anyone noticed, but the show made an error last night.
When they went to 2007 to extract Sarah, it was correct and had the city as "Starling City", but when they went to 2014 to get Ray it was "Star City". Starling City wasn't renamed to Star City until 2015 in honor of the then believed to be dead Ray Palmer.
Just nit picking.
When they went to 2007 to extract Sarah, it was correct and had the city as "Starling City", but when they went to 2014 to get Ray it was "Star City". Starling City wasn't renamed to Star City until 2015 in honor of the then believed to be dead Ray Palmer.
Just nit picking.
Noticed that too. But wait, was there a sign that said Star City in 2014 or was it just Gideon that said, "Star City"? I thought it was just Gideon, so in that case I was ok with it since to all the people on the ship, they now know it as Star City.
It appears as the typical 'location' sign.
Yeah as Joni said it appears as the location sign as well as Gideon saying Star City (where as in 2007 the location sign + Gideon said Starling City)
unholyrevenger72
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Lol Booster Gold dead beat Dad
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I just realized that The Time Masters have been more of a threat than Vandal Savage. I hope there isn't some 11th Hour twist that Savage is controlling them from behind the scenes, and that's why they're not aggressive about stopping him but are pulling out all the stops to wipe out Rip Hunter and the crew.
Edit: Savage being Savage haha
Edit: Savage being Savage haha
No. He's off limits, just like Ted Kord.
Truly the twist of the generation
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
#Savage
Merlyn is going to pop up from behind the curtain and reveal that he was controlling everything that Savage has done post 2016.
That was a pretty cool episode. This show takes so many liberties with the "logistics" of time travel (if there really are any to begin with) but I've learned that's not actually the important part of the show.
The time travel concept is just a vehicle to explore the show's characters and put them in all sorts of relationship pairings and "what if" scenarios.
What if you got abandoned in the 1950s with your lover for two years and then found, but only twenty minutes had passed for your friends, how would you cope? What if you could talk to your dead father? What would you say to your past self if you got the chance?
It's still a mixed bag (the Ray/Kendra stuff grates at points) but I feel the show is at its best when playing with these concepts, rather than trying to tackle the grand plan of taking down Vandal Savage throughout history, which has never really felt like it's had weight.
The time travel concept is just a vehicle to explore the show's characters and put them in all sorts of relationship pairings and "what if" scenarios.
What if you got abandoned in the 1950s with your lover for two years and then found, but only twenty minutes had passed for your friends, how would you cope? What if you could talk to your dead father? What would you say to your past self if you got the chance?
It's still a mixed bag (the Ray/Kendra stuff grates at points) but I feel the show is at its best when playing with these concepts, rather than trying to tackle the grand plan of taking down Vandal Savage throughout history, which has never really felt like it's had weight.
"Guggenheim"
Idk I don't think the time masters or savage are threats. Mick said the motocross group (forgot their name lol) was supposed to be a threat and the team handled them easily. Next was pilgrim but she got handled by Sara and later the whole team with ease.
Still was a fun episode.
Still was a fun episode.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeahhhh that's what I thought too.
RatskyWatsky
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Yeah, this most recent one was a total disaster in terms of plot and logic.
Jorok Goldblade
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Make him the
Thanagarian cop version, and have him be the one with no memories of their past lives. (Also, get Falk some acting lessons or at least better direction)
We had such a good run too
PHOENIXZERO
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On that episode title and the spoiler...
The
The
fangirls love him for some reason (is he hot?) and the pairing I guess because... "Destiny" is something they're into this time I guess.
ALways knew PC gamers are dangerous.
Stallion Dan
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I liked Smallvillies. Or maybe I just like the actor, being a big Stargate fan. Going out to that shitty Deathstroke was terrible though.
ThoseDeafMutes
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The travel doesn't have to be inconsistent/incoherent, it just is in this, and the characters it's in service of are so-so at best. It's one thing to let time travel wibbly wobbly slide if it's for a really good episode (e.g. Window of Opportunity in sg1), or as part of a really good story arc (Babylon 5's time travel). I'm a few episodes behind on this show but it hasn't delivered on any front really. It's not good sci fi, the characters aren't great, and it's not even particularly good by CW superhero cheese standards.
*shrug*
Stallion Dan
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Personally without defined rules that are stuck to I find it makes me not give a shit about events that happen, and just call bullshit when such rules are suddenly used as an excuse to not do something later.
Tal Shiar Agent
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If I am remembering right, Stargate was always very consistent with its time travel rules. It usually stuck to the Novikov self-consistency principle (the act of time traveling was always a part of history).
The only episodes with time travel were:
1969
Window of Opportunity
2010
Before I Sleep
Its Good to Be King
Moebius
The Last Man
Continuum
Time
Twin Destinies
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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When is the flash going to make a cameo
They do have defined rules, they're just making them as they go. It helps simplify things and doesn't force the viewer to dwell on situations too much. Probably makes it easier on the writers and fits with the kind of show they're gunning for.
Based on the lack of announcements, it must be the finale, that is the only one where we don't know yet who is appearing.
ThoseDeafMutes
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You might be right for the most part however in Window of Opportunity it wasn't really regular time travel. Every planet on a sub-network of the stargate system got reset daily while time in an absolute sense was still progressing and people outside that network were progressing at the normal rate. It wasn't well explained, and they definitely could do different events each day (hence the purpose of the episode, really, to do the Groundhog Day concept).
Some episodes very much involve changing timelines, and didn't feature closed loops per se. We are presented in Moebius with an alternate earth tformed by time travel, which then, through even more time travel, reverts to an "almost the same as before" timeline except with the benefit of a free Zero Point Module.
Tal Shiar Agent
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The closed loop was that SG-1 was always the cause of the rebellion against Ra.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Ray rattled off a bunch of relevant time travel questions in this episode and the response was basically "shut up and just go with it." lol
I honestly don't think there are rules so much as suggestions. Because the show has contradicted itself on how time travel works and what you can and can't do. The whole "time hasn't cemented itself" thing is just a way for them to wiggle out of situations where the effect of a change in the past should have already impacted the future.
I'm fine with it, but I can't think of one aspect of time travel in this show that has been consistent.
I honestly don't think there are rules so much as suggestions. Because the show has contradicted itself on how time travel works and what you can and can't do. The whole "time hasn't cemented itself" thing is just a way for them to wiggle out of situations where the effect of a change in the past should have already impacted the future.
I'm fine with it, but I can't think of one aspect of time travel in this show that has been consistent.
ThoseDeafMutes
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It's inconsistent, that aspect of it is closed loopey, but the ZPM from the alternate timeline being buried in the past was not present in the original timeline. They recover it before they were going to travel backwards in time (in timeline 3).
Stallion Dan
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Cannot alter events personally involved in...
...alter events personally involved in all the time.
...but say cannot do X because involved in personal event.
These rules are bullshit if cannot stick to them. This is also a shared universe with Flash, where we just got that bit of info about Zoom
killing Jay, a younger Zoom. Which was the entire dilemma of this episodes LoT, yet in Flash it's not an issue
I think an
earth 2 person dying on earth 1/in the timestream/in the speedforce
But they made up all new rules about how they could circumvent the previous circumstances and alter the events they were personally involved in. It was genius! All I'm saying is that they're at least throwing out explanations they can use later, whether to stick by them or to explain another work around. It keeps the story moving without the writers having to spend a lot of time on techno babble (and such). They're not trying to be clever. I realize it's dumb as shit but it's a CW show about super heroes, so I go with it.
Oh yea, in
Flash they introduced time remnants. Some really comic booky science thing that allowed him to do that. See?
Who says Ray catches every L, he's got two women who he'd never lose.
It's made by people who love Doctor Who, is it really that surprising that sometimes the rules of time travel change between scenes of the same episode?
Not at all. I think it is better they don't try.
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