And here we go again with the tournament players vs. the casual players. Fun times... -_-
How does my post bug you? I was just saying how happy I was for winning a match. I'm not a button spammer, I had the same problem, I even uploaded videos of people doing that shit. You sound like you think my victory against a top player was because I spammed my way through the match. No I didn't.
The intent behind the post is fine. I'm happy that you were able to beat that player. It's the general argument behind the post that bugs me. For all I know that player may have been really, really good and you fought hard to win the match. But in most cases that's not how it goes, and it's those instances that bug me.
Yes, I suppose so. For me online experience always were different from offline anyway. If the rules change, change the way you play, or don't play. But don't scoff at those who decide to play (for the record, I mostly play offline myself, and I'm not very good online).
What irritated me most in the message I quoted is "the other player didn't bother respecting frame data". Like it's some sort of sacrilege, "I lost but the other player didn't play the way he should have". If frame data are not the same or ineffective online, then the player is right if he ignores them.
You may be happy with two different games, but I'm not. SC5 is not two different games. Neither is TTT2 or VF5FS. Why should we accept DOA5 being two different games? I'm quite sure the developers didn't want it that way. It hurts the game overall because people can't practice for tournaments and therefore the competitive scene dies and the game dies much faster than it should have.
Where is this new online frame data that I can reference? The problem with the frame data being off is that almost everything is safe and/or advantage online, when it's extremely punishable offline.
When Helena does PPP and I block it, I get a guaranteed throw offline. Online, not only does the throw not work, but half the time the Helena player's 11-frame jab beats out my 10-frame jab. So we went from Helena being at -9 and throw punishable to suddenly being at least somewhere in the realm of +2.
If that's going to be the case then it should at least be listed somewhere, especially in a game where most of the frame data is available in the game.
I agree with you and would also like to add that there are other prominent members of the community that share DrDogg's snobbish attitude towards online play and it's hurting the community overall. Instead of nurturing the online players and bringing them over to the tournament scene you just hear them say something along the lines of "You're a scrub, if we played offline I'd destroy you" and then quit. It's hard to build a community when all the potential new players are treated with such hostility.
Perhaps you should read what I'm saying instead of calling me snobbish and saying I'm hurting the community? Your words hurt the community more than mine. I'm actually willing to travel, but not with online being the way it is. I doubt many people who are "offended" by my "snobbish" comments were ever planning to travel at all. I've also done far more to help this community than you and most others have so let's not get into that debate, okay?
I have no problem with people playing the game online and being happy about their wins. That's great! More power to them. My issue is when people make a big deal about beating a higher ranked player online. It's one thing to say, "I beat an S-ranked player yesterday, it was a good match". But that's not what normally happens. It usually comes off as, "I beat an S-ranked player who was really good because he was S-ranked, and I was able to beat him, which means that I'm a better player. I should post this win on YouTube to show everyone I'm better!"
Now that may not have been the case with the original post I quoted, but that's usually how things go. When that happens, I"m going to enlighten the online player about lag and how it changes the game. Most of the time these players don't even acknowledge lag and consider it the same as playing offline.
I'd rather spend my time memorizing useful information for my career or masters degree.
Because it's impossible to have a career and be good at a fighting game? -_-
Fun is a relative term. To some people, just barely getting by in a fighting game is fun. To others, learning everything they can about the game is how they have fun.
