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Dead or Alive 5 |OT| Put a little bounce in your sidestep!
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Ragingnight
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people talking about nerfs already? lol?
Also competitive players should not even consider talking with casual players. It is a headache waiting to happen. The two groups do not mesh together at all.
When you play online, you have to play dumber, not smarter. Playing smarter will get you losses. But playing like a retard will get you wins. Now the reason why playing dumber will get you wins is because people online make the dumbest choices and because you only have 1 game 1 set to "win" it becomes harder for the smarter player.
This is evident in almost every other fighter. In other fighters, you can bet that a shoto player will dp on wakeup almost everytime, in DOA you can bet people mash buttons on wakeup, in P4A you can bet Yu's will full screen slide and dp on wakeup.
I find it funny how people act like competitive players all count frames and whatnot. No, competitive players do not all count frames or memorize frame data. What they do know is what is the best option given a situation and choosing correctly based on their opponents' actions. This can be as simple as knowing what is unsafe and what is safe, or knowing if an opponent likes pressing buttons regardless of whats happening. Online is bad because you only have 1 game 1 set, which rewards dumber play.
Also competitive players should not even consider talking with casual players. It is a headache waiting to happen. The two groups do not mesh together at all.
When you play online, you have to play dumber, not smarter. Playing smarter will get you losses. But playing like a retard will get you wins. Now the reason why playing dumber will get you wins is because people online make the dumbest choices and because you only have 1 game 1 set to "win" it becomes harder for the smarter player.
This is evident in almost every other fighter. In other fighters, you can bet that a shoto player will dp on wakeup almost everytime, in DOA you can bet people mash buttons on wakeup, in P4A you can bet Yu's will full screen slide and dp on wakeup.
I find it funny how people act like competitive players all count frames and whatnot. No, competitive players do not all count frames or memorize frame data. What they do know is what is the best option given a situation and choosing correctly based on their opponents' actions. This can be as simple as knowing what is unsafe and what is safe, or knowing if an opponent likes pressing buttons regardless of whats happening. Online is bad because you only have 1 game 1 set, which rewards dumber play.
Lobby matches allow you to play people multiple times...
MrMephistoX
Member
I stand corrected on stage DLC this is how you do it Tecmo.
http://shoryuken.com/2012/10/08/tek...ebastian-slim-bob-additional-stages-and-more/
MrMephistoX
Member
It may be dumber but it's more fun in my opinion. I actually like player matches where people are willing to pick multiple characters and just mess around instead of maining the same character over and over again and racking up meaningless wins. Tourney players shouldn't even bother with online play as it's catering to a completely different audience and will inevitably lead to boredom on their part and frustration on the part of people like me who don't take it that seriously. Live and let live.
Ragingnight
Member
That whole bold sentence is flawed. Its assuming that competitive players only play one character.
Let me name some top players.
Justin Wong: (SF4) Adon, Rufus, Cammy, Yang. (MvC3) Wolverine, storm, akuma, frank west, Iron Fist, Spiderman, Felicia, Wesker, She-hulk.
Pr Rog: (SF4) Yang, Balrog, T. Hawk (MvC3) Vergil, Dante, Strider, Felicia, Wolverine, Tron, Doom, Wesker, Rocket Raccoon.
Chris G: (SF4) Yang, Sakura. (MvC3) Ryu, Wesker, Firebrand, Hawkeye, Morrigan, Doom, Akuma, Magneto, Sentinel, Ammy, and more (P4A) Elizabeth, Mitsuru. (MK9) Noob Saibot, Reptile.
Bala: (KOF13) The whole entire cast
Kayane: (SC5) Leixia, Viola. (DOA) Ayane, Kasumi, Kokoro.
This is why Casual and Competitive players can never get along. They assume shit about each other without any basis.
First we got that competitive players count frames, memorize phd formula combos and memorize frame data.
Then we got competitive players play one character.
O and competitive players take away the fun of the game away because fighting games are about "fighting" and not memorizing numbers.
I bet the next one is that top players only pick the best character.
VF5:FS
SC5
TTT2
P4A
Blazblue
SF4
Marvel Origins
Skullgirls
GGPO
etc, etc, etc,
All say you're wrong. Online is there for the players who want to play a game longer than the 1 month it takes for 98% of people to drop it.
And it's only meaningless if you're not learning anything.
Also Tourney players =/= people that want to constantly improve at whatever they play. Some people aren't satisfied staying at the same skill level and strive to improve.
Unlocking disc content after release?
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
What is this thread even about?
MrMephistoX
Member
Sorry for the misunderstanding I wasn't talking about tournament players but rather people who are tournament level (or apsire to be) who do that online. Luckily DOA has been pretty varied for me but I got extremely tired of facing nothing but Shotos online in SSFIV.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the people choosing shotos in SF4 are horrible players who play Ken/Ryu because they're familiar, easy characters.
Arguing about tournament crap nobody cares about, apparently.
Ragingnight
Member
This is funny considering DOA5 was trying hard to convince people that it is a competitive fighter. Makes it even more funny that gaf ran a tournament for DOA, and that you have people in the competitive scene that care in order to keep the game alive but I guess they are nobodies. RIP DOA5 IPL. You did so well but nobody cares, maybe that explains the low viewer count.
You get that Skilletor, and Dogg. You guys are nobodies and nobody should care about your competitiveness. Stop trying to ruin another game with your frames data exploitation. You guys already ruined Smash Brothers.
Good one.
I was referring to this whole dumb conversation that started because Dogg jumped on someone who was proud that he beat the 16th ranked player.
I just want to be able to play this game with other people.
I'm building a local scene, but I'm a lot better than anybody here who wants to play DoA. :/
I have like 100 more vids to cap, but it's all me bodying people and that's just boring.
Well... You never know... The patch might completely fix online for you...
Or maybe not.
It wouldn't be possible to disappoint me any further.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I'm sure you'll manage; Jack Bauer sure did after that incident.I just want to be able to play this game with other people.
I'm building a local scene, but I'm a lot better than anybody here who wants to play DoA. :/
I have like 100 more vids to cap, but it's all me bodying people and that's just boring.
I am still an F rank because I don't want to touch ranked until the next patch which I'm hoping will fix it for the better. But I do have close to 300 regular online matches. I think at least 200 are with Brad Wong, I do enjoy playing with Lisa and Jann but I just love how Brad flows.
Trying to unlock Alpha as well because I don't think I can beat survival champ let alone legend without spamming her moves. There is just absolutely no way I can get the swimsuits with normal means, the AI is absolutely brutal with the holds.
Trying to unlock Alpha as well because I don't think I can beat survival champ let alone legend without spamming her moves. There is just absolutely no way I can get the swimsuits with normal means, the AI is absolutely brutal with the holds.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Me too, DOA2 outfit would be awesome. Or the DOA3 version with the chainmail on the arms.
I'm kinda surprised Irene didn't end up playable in this after they put her pretty prominently in Ryu's Dimensions storyline.
It matters for competitive players so people do care.
Augemitbutter
Member
still haven't used the CE coupon. can others see the costumes when i use those? just curious, because i never encountered them online.
Do all Characters Command Training, On Vs set health on the lowers and you can easily do each character Power Blow, Grapple or Strike on the stage cliffhanger.
you have 23 characters already Counting Power Blows, Command Training, Cliffhanger grapple and cliffhanger strike 4X23= 92
Add the using each character once =23
Story Mode MIssions + Chapters = Around 89
Arcade Solo and Tag=16
Time Attack Solo and Tag=16
Survival Solo and Tag= 16
There are some that are unlocked by just playing which I think= 24
Play 50 each character = 23 (Time Consuming)
Unlocking each character costumes 23
Win Online once with each character 23
345 that are easy to do(For most of the part) without taking that much time. (Ignore the play each character 50,100, etc times.
Nope if they dont download the content they can't see it.
I was referring to the arguments, not the more constructive talk.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
There's constructive talk here?
Augemitbutter
Member
ah, that's too bad.
Yes there is. Some can be a bit harshly written though.
Hopefully its a good one
ShinobiFist
Banned
Please work, for the love of god.
DR2K
Banned
Where are these coming from? FSD?
I am pretty sure its fake mod.
DR2K
Banned
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Looks letit.
Great tits. Hope its for real and that Lisa, Tina and Christie get similar outfits in the future.
Tits or Asses 5: I AM A LISA SWIMSUIT.
A Fighting game. People talk about the fighting system as they also talk about the visuals since there is some fan service.
Alx
Member
You may be bitter against the developers for not meeting your expectations... just don't direct your bile against those who decided to play the game as it is.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Cant we have both?
Japan loves boobs over asses. Explains why most if not all the cast in DOA5 have pancake asses
Hoya Destroyer
Member
At least its not as bad as DoAX2.
It'd be nice if TN could steal SC5's netcode and ass proportions.
No. Because then we wouldn't be a fighter.