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Yeah, I thought it was going to be Zealot with 3 saves and no checkpoints. I may be getting this Platinum, after all!dralla said:
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Dead Space 2 |OT| The Marker Is Not A Sharpie
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NovemberMike
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Papercuts said:
It's not a trope. You could turn Halo into a survival horror game or turn silent hill into an action shooter by doing what I said and messing with the mechanics a bit. There are far too many scenes where they just lock the doors and spawn a bunch of monsters, which is an action game thing. Having the player respawn over and over until he gets how the enemies act and how to game the encounter is something you don't want in a horror game.
The other problem is that they didn't make those moments particularly compelling. It's far too easy to end up in a situation where you just can't survive the first time you enter a room simply because some random monster spawning in a random area fucks with your plans. The levels also aren't designed to allow you to dictate combat since you can't rely on any area to be safe (so you can keep your back to it) and many of the enemies can ignore the terrain by jumping or whatever.
It also feels like some of the areas are designed around you having a particular weapon, but this is pretty bad game design since the game is built around 90% of the weapons being optional.
EDIT: It feels like they had professional testers test for difficulty, which is a horrible idea. Anyone who's been playing the game for 100+ hours should have no say on difficulty. Bring in some new people 80% of the way through so you can get a fresh opinion on how the game plays.
I just finished this a few minutes (The credits are still rolling). Excellent game all around. It improves on the original in pretty much every way. The last fight was a slight disappointment though. Reminded me a little bit of the Tornado thing fight in Alan Wake. Although that was much worse.
Die Squirrel Die
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darkpaladinmfc said:
I thought HC was Zealot level, I wasn't going to bother trying but if it's one down I may actually give it a go.
Doing a normal run NG+ run first for upgrading and trophy purposes (of the do 'X' thing 'Y' times variety). Suit and Stasis are done.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Anyone else running the PC version with shadows on Very High ? Crisp shadows at all ranges, looks damn nice.
Ugh, are we going to end up getting gang-banged by a bunch of Necros towards the end of this game too? I swear to God, the last bunch of hordes prior to the last boss on Dead Space 1 was the most annoying part of the game. They are more difficult than the final boss itself!!!
canadian crowe
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Just bumped it down to casual. I'm pretty much a god now. Much more enjoyable.
Truant said:
Great impressions, and I agree. The puzzles in this game seemed even easier than in the first game too! Like rebuilding the comms array as well as disabling the gravity tethers to go out into space was kind of cool in the first one. Here I think the hardest thing is maybe unplugging the batteries to kill the fire. Because you can't find the third battery, lol.
Enter room -> necro gangbang is so incredibly not what the game is about and not fun. I'm surprised they did it so much towards the ends of both games.
My favorite section is the Unitology church followed by Chapter 10. Some creative scenarios, but also some scenarios you had no control over. Like, for example, the train sequence early in the game. I was half expecting QTE prompts.
I ended up dropping to casual for the final boss. I didn't bring enough of the right kinds of ammo and I didn't feel like going back to the store after running from the stupid
regenerator
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wow, crazy to hear the church (the demo level, no?) is one of the favourites.
Am I the only person who used the Ripper on the final boss?
I hate to be such a promoter for it, but the Ripper is pretty much the perfect weapon for that entire final section.
Regular fire would stagger her, keep her at a distance so she couldn't auto-kill you and pretty much take care of ghost children, then shift to alt fire for the core. I didn't find it that tough whatsoever.
I hate to be such a promoter for it, but the Ripper is pretty much the perfect weapon for that entire final section.
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Y2Kev said:
Anyone else just use a fully upgraded contact beam with the special alt fire?
That thing made the final fight last like 30 seconds for me, alt fire to freeze the pack and 2 shots at her each time
I only used the plasma beam for the whole game (thought there might be an achievement, like in the first one).
I think, in context, it makes a lot more sense why there's like... a crypt in the church. I still think the game looks poorest in such unflattering lighting, but that entire sequence climaxes really well (and it's not in the demo).
Rez said:
I think, in context, it makes a lot more sense why there's like... a crypt in the church. I still think the game looks poorest in such unflattering lighting, but that entire sequence climaxes really well (and it's not in the demo).
BTW, I wish that search still worked because I nailed the last boss like 6 months ago. Perfect prediction.
I actually have found a sort of grudging appreciation for that encounter. It's stupid, and cheap, but there's a certain charm when you get a particular strat working. Circle strafe, stasis, line gun alt fire was what ended up working for me.
I actually have found a sort of grudging appreciation for that encounter. It's stupid, and cheap, but there's a certain charm when you get a particular strat working. Circle strafe, stasis, line gun alt fire was what ended up working for me.
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How many chapters are there? I'm currently at chapter 11, and I'm wondering how long I have left.
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Replicant said:
It seems like it. I'm nearing the end of Ch 13 and there is one regenerating Necromorph which seems to reappear in tightly enclosed areas combined with hordes of others. I'm a few deaths away from adjusting the difficulty slider. Out of nowhere the game just randomly bumps up the difficulty.
Hey Gaf, I found a new type of necromorph in the game. I call this necromorph The Sucker.
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My foursome has always been Plasma Cutter/Pulse Rifle/Line Gun/Ripper.
However, I found the Line Gun in this game to be a lot less useful than in DS1. I basically kept it around for the door guards that popped up all the time in DS1 (Line Gun's alt fire takes them out really easily).
In this one there were only, what?, 2?
However, I found the Line Gun in this game to be a lot less useful than in DS1. I basically kept it around for the door guards that popped up all the time in DS1 (Line Gun's alt fire takes them out really easily).
In this one there were only, what?, 2?
My thoughts:
Visually, DS2 is best in class. The art for the monsters and environments is not really distinct, but it's effective at creating a cohesive look. I really liked the human character's faces. Technically it's impressive as hell. The colored lights from Isaac and the environment create a very cool look. Framerate never so much as hiccuped on the triple.
The sound is great, too. Surround is used well, especially with the amount of monsters that sneak up behind you (more on that later.) Some people say Dead Space telegraphs its scares with the music, and I guess that's true, but is that necessarily a bad thing? Seems that argument infers that the only effective scares are the jump variety, which I don't think is true. The music creates tension because it announces an attack is coming. Not every survival horror scare can be the Resident Evil dogs. In fact, the genre will never match that moment ever again. No reason to keep chasing it.
The puzzles are just there. A chimp on Ritalin could solve them. I guess I feel like a puzzle should actually be hard. It should maybe have you sitting there for 10 minutes trying to solve it. These puzzles felt like they were included because survival horror games need to have puzzles. Either make them tough, or just leave them out entirely.
Combat... OK. Dead Space has a good combat system. Tactical dismemberment is a good concept. Stasis and TK are interesting tools to give the player. The weapon variety is great. Unfortunately, I think that DS2 falls just short of having a really great combat system, and that's mostly due to encounter design. Way too many fights devolve into throwing a bunch of enemies at the player, just enough that you can't comfortably put your back to a wall and start blasting. Maybe this is my own weak sauce gaming skills talking, but I didn't feel like my combat skills were improving as time went on. The combat system didn't open up for me. It just felt like, OK, use more stasis, use more ammo, just do whatever it takes to thin the ranks as quickly as possible so that you don't get overwhelmed.
I think maybe DS2 represents a series that's having a bit of an identity crisis. Survival horror has always been a combination of action and adventure gaming. DS is pretty far on the action side of the equation, DS2 even more so. The thing is that once a game decides it's going to play in the action genre, it needs action polish. I think DS2 did not receive the proper action polish. When you play a game like Bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden Black, you can tell that a designer sat down and thought long and hard about every single fight. DS2 doesn't feel like that, especially towards the end.
Also, boss fights. BOSS FIGHTS. You cannot play in the action genre without boss fights. DS2 is pretty sparse in that regard. It doesn't even have as many bosses as the first game.
Overall, excellent game. I think better than DS1 in practically every regard. Very happy with my purchase. But I hope that Visceral decides where the series is going and then takes the appropriate measures to see that DS3 steps up.
Visually, DS2 is best in class. The art for the monsters and environments is not really distinct, but it's effective at creating a cohesive look. I really liked the human character's faces. Technically it's impressive as hell. The colored lights from Isaac and the environment create a very cool look. Framerate never so much as hiccuped on the triple.
The sound is great, too. Surround is used well, especially with the amount of monsters that sneak up behind you (more on that later.) Some people say Dead Space telegraphs its scares with the music, and I guess that's true, but is that necessarily a bad thing? Seems that argument infers that the only effective scares are the jump variety, which I don't think is true. The music creates tension because it announces an attack is coming. Not every survival horror scare can be the Resident Evil dogs. In fact, the genre will never match that moment ever again. No reason to keep chasing it.
The puzzles are just there. A chimp on Ritalin could solve them. I guess I feel like a puzzle should actually be hard. It should maybe have you sitting there for 10 minutes trying to solve it. These puzzles felt like they were included because survival horror games need to have puzzles. Either make them tough, or just leave them out entirely.
Combat... OK. Dead Space has a good combat system. Tactical dismemberment is a good concept. Stasis and TK are interesting tools to give the player. The weapon variety is great. Unfortunately, I think that DS2 falls just short of having a really great combat system, and that's mostly due to encounter design. Way too many fights devolve into throwing a bunch of enemies at the player, just enough that you can't comfortably put your back to a wall and start blasting. Maybe this is my own weak sauce gaming skills talking, but I didn't feel like my combat skills were improving as time went on. The combat system didn't open up for me. It just felt like, OK, use more stasis, use more ammo, just do whatever it takes to thin the ranks as quickly as possible so that you don't get overwhelmed.
I think maybe DS2 represents a series that's having a bit of an identity crisis. Survival horror has always been a combination of action and adventure gaming. DS is pretty far on the action side of the equation, DS2 even more so. The thing is that once a game decides it's going to play in the action genre, it needs action polish. I think DS2 did not receive the proper action polish. When you play a game like Bayonetta or Ninja Gaiden Black, you can tell that a designer sat down and thought long and hard about every single fight. DS2 doesn't feel like that, especially towards the end.
Also, boss fights. BOSS FIGHTS. You cannot play in the action genre without boss fights. DS2 is pretty sparse in that regard. It doesn't even have as many bosses as the first game.
Overall, excellent game. I think better than DS1 in practically every regard. Very happy with my purchase. But I hope that Visceral decides where the series is going and then takes the appropriate measures to see that DS3 steps up.
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I look forward to playing this when I get back home to my PC.
In all all the impressions have me very excited. It's a shame to hear about the lack of interesting boss-fights and the poor final couple of chapters, but third-person guns versus melee only opponents is such a cool game type, I need some more of it.
In all all the impressions have me very excited. It's a shame to hear about the lack of interesting boss-fights and the poor final couple of chapters, but third-person guns versus melee only opponents is such a cool game type, I need some more of it.
RoboPlato said:
People who keep getting bogged down by enemies should look into it if they haven't. It's a life-saver, even when not upgraded. After you upgrade it some, and especially if you fully upgrade it, it's basically the best weapon in the game. Forgetting pushing enemies back, it just obliterates them.
I use the Line Gun's alt fire occasionally but I usually stick to its primary fire. I basically think of the weapon as an extension of the Plasma Cutter, so while it isn't that unique in my arsenal, it's very useful.
Ripper and Force Gun each come handy in other situations, especially when there are groups. The Ripper, much like in the first game, is a great way to conserve ammo and still kill or maim a bunch. The primary fire can cut off several enemies' limbs and outright kill them with just one blade.
RoboPlato said:
Yup, it's a life saver.
My DS1 loadout was Plasma Cutter/Line Gun/Force Gun/Contact Beam, in 2 I stuck with Plasma Cutter/Pulse Rifle(Felt way better)/Force Gun/Detonator.
The ripper can be really useful and I swapped out the Detonator for it at some points, but I didn't have it as often.
Finished my first run of the game a few days ago, on Survivalist. I ended up going through it with just the Plasma Cutter, as I wasn't sure if they had that trophy in this version. I was disappointed there wasn't, as there were plenty of times having at least one more gun would have been really helpful but, hey-- it reinforced my opinion of self awesomeness.
Overall the game was good. I had to run back a few times, and even reload saves because I was running out of ammo and health in the eat your face rooms.
Around the last chapters I had about 100,000 credits, and I ended up with 1,000 at the end of the game. I also didn't have enough ammo for the last boss and I had to run all the way back.
And no, that thing didn't stop.
Next thing on the list is a New Game+ Zealot/trophy run.
Overall the game was good. I had to run back a few times, and even reload saves because I was running out of ammo and health in the eat your face rooms.
Around the last chapters I had about 100,000 credits, and I ended up with 1,000 at the end of the game. I also didn't have enough ammo for the last boss and I had to run all the way back.
And no, that thing didn't stop.
Next thing on the list is a New Game+ Zealot/trophy run.
The four weapons I'm using are also the only four weapons I've bought so far (minus the Plasma Cutter). I want to try experimenting with other weapons but nearly all are 10k+ or close to that, and that money is generally better spent on a node (or perhaps healing items). As in the first game, I heavily invest my credits into nodes above all else.
Javelin Gun is still very tempting.
Javelin Gun is still very tempting.
NovemberMike
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Y2Kev said:
What makes it so mind boggling in this game is that 2-3 necromorphs are already dangerous here, especially the two legged jumpers and the spitters. They could have just given the basic stabbers a few more tricks (maybe some extra play dead stuff, splitting into a top and bottom half etc) and drop most of the fights down to only a few enemies.
In the last few corridors of the game I was getting fed up with it. I ended up running through a few rooms just bypassing as much as I could with stasis and going into last-stand mode with my back to the door waiting for it to load the damn room and open. Needless to say, I was pretty burned when I realized I didn't have enough supplies and I had to go back or start it again.
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This NEEDS to happen in Dead Space 3, omg.NovemberMike said:
NovemberMike
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badcrumble said:
They really missed the ball on the basic guys. Make it something like taking the limbs off kills it, taking the head off makes the head sprout legs and launch itself towards you and shooting it in the body splits it in half. I felt like that was what they were going to do with the first game (which would have made them fucking scary even alone) but they just made it a standard monster that dies faster if you knock the legs off.
Finished the game yesterday.
I have to say, one of the most satisfying games I have played in a long time.
Most memorable was the chapter where you
And for those trying to decide on which version to get (console) I went with the PS3 version and none of the issues from the first game cross over. Fantastic graphics and controls however the lack of DTS was a bummer
sound was a little muffled and the 5.1 DD was not that clear (on my sound system) still great however!
Thumbs up to the devs! And more games of this quality from all the others please
I have to say, one of the most satisfying games I have played in a long time.
Most memorable was the chapter where you
go back through the Ishimura and they have the UV lights showing all the blood. It was so immersive, I mean what a great fucking idea, what a great way to have the player go back to something so familiar and make it different. It freaked me out even more than actually seeing the blood.
And for those trying to decide on which version to get (console) I went with the PS3 version and none of the issues from the first game cross over. Fantastic graphics and controls however the lack of DTS was a bummer
sound was a little muffled and the 5.1 DD was not that clear (on my sound system) still great however!Thumbs up to the devs! And more games of this quality from all the others please
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Sykotik said:
Hey I did that too. That was kinda fun. I'm pissed we didn't run into any jet engines though. Didn't mind the last boss either, at least Isaac's not punching rocks.
This game lives up to the impressions. You'll be downright giddy after a couple chapters. Haven't felt this excited to continue playing a game in a long time.
It's the same leap in quality as :
AssCreed 1 -> AssCreed 2 and Uncharted -> Uncharted 2
Which is a lot. I'm also impressed by the lack of bugs on PC. Rare that a big game from a big pub actually works fine on PC day 1. 1080p, very high everything 60fps on a really modest rig. EA's PC QC team is actually pretty good. ME2, Dragon Age, BC2. Everything runs pretty good at launch. The last real EA tech dud I remember is Shift.
The whole game just seems like something John Carpenter would make. I love it. I think Dead Space is one of the horror media products we have period. (games, movies, etc.) Really ended up being worth the $60 and I haven't even dabbled in MP yet.
It's the same leap in quality as :
AssCreed 1 -> AssCreed 2 and Uncharted -> Uncharted 2
Which is a lot. I'm also impressed by the lack of bugs on PC. Rare that a big game from a big pub actually works fine on PC day 1. 1080p, very high everything 60fps on a really modest rig. EA's PC QC team is actually pretty good. ME2, Dragon Age, BC2. Everything runs pretty good at launch. The last real EA tech dud I remember is Shift.
The whole game just seems like something John Carpenter would make. I love it. I think Dead Space is one of the horror media products we have period. (games, movies, etc.) Really ended up being worth the $60 and I haven't even dabbled in MP yet.
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post-HL2, I've kind of felt like games as a whole have been trending toward the "you are now god" ending. the enemy pile-up seems like such a PS2-era trope.Y2Kev said:
XxBigP123xX
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Got the platinum trophy. Game was amazing, great job Visceral.
Well I'm up to Chapter 13 and, so far, this is great game which I can confidently say is better than the original. However, it's still slightly disappointing for a number of reasons, namely:
That the supporting cast just isn't very interesting;
That the overarching plot is hardly as compelling as it could have been;
That the game makes no significant strides over its predecessor, save for the newly-improved Zero G segments;
That for all the action setpieces, there is little in the way of memorable monster fights or bosses;
That the Sprawl was basically a series of differently-themed dark strobe-lit corridors when it could have been so much more varied and panoramic; and
That the much-vaunted 'action moments' were few and far between, the best being the amazing train sequence early on.
Dead Space 2 is pretty freakin' great, but only superior to the first instalment by the smallest of increments.
That the supporting cast just isn't very interesting;
That the overarching plot is hardly as compelling as it could have been;
That the game makes no significant strides over its predecessor, save for the newly-improved Zero G segments;
That for all the action setpieces, there is little in the way of memorable monster fights or bosses;
That the Sprawl was basically a series of differently-themed dark strobe-lit corridors when it could have been so much more varied and panoramic; and
That the much-vaunted 'action moments' were few and far between, the best being the amazing train sequence early on.
Dead Space 2 is pretty freakin' great, but only superior to the first instalment by the smallest of increments.
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Tell us how the 3-save run went.XxBigP123xX said:
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what's with all the train sequences recently? I mean, Uncharted 2's was cool, but it seems like every other game I play now has a "whoa we're in a run-away train, doesn't this environment scroll looks really pretty" moment.
Actually, all that comes to mind at the moment is Vanquish. But I know there was another one or two released recently with one, damn it.
Actually, all that comes to mind at the moment is Vanquish. But I know there was another one or two released recently with one, damn it.
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Pretty hard, used up my saves too early on my first try, second try saved during chaptersRoboPlato said:
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