Deadline: The Punisher Gets Netflix Nod As Daredevil Spinoff
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You're looking at it a little wrong. When a showrunner is found doesn't matter that much because it is just a starting point. How it goes from showrunner to script and shooting varies depending on various production schedules and so on. What actually does matter the most is when it -starts- shooting. Once that is known, the rest of the timeline will lock in. Iron Fist started shooting last year, and based on the timeline we know for DD S1, JJ S1, and DD S2, they tend to shoot for 6 months, and it goes up on Netflix 3-4 months after that. Based on this, we're expecting Luke Cage in the Summer, not Fall.
As for Iron Fist, the big question is that after finding a showrunner, how fast they can get to casting and having the scripts cracked. Once they start shooting, we'll know. If they announce casting for Iron Fist and start shooting in the next two months, it could well make it by the end of this year. VFX isn't going to be that big a deal because if you need it done, you'll get it done. These people are professionals.
My read on the situation here is that I think they want to shoot Defenders before the end of this year, which means that they want a window in late 2016 where none of the four main shows are shooting, so they can have all of the cast available for it. This is why I don't expect a JJ S2, or LC S2 before Defenders. It also means that they will have Defenders out around Summer 2017 if it all pans out, with Punisher possibly replacing DD S3 in Spring 2017.
IdreamofHIME
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Get Andrew Lincoln as a baddie for an episode, then have Frank kill him as horribly as possible.
What the hay, I don't remember there being a second season
IdreamofHIME
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No way in hell are JJ's sex scenes PG13. They're rough as hell and yes the F bomb is dropped in that show too.
Yes?
eastx
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Zero nudity, so they're pretty much PG-13. If they're so happy to have unnecessary gore in these shows, I wish they'd man up on the nudity too.
Johan Liebert
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Daredevil season 2 is in March so when does Luke Cage come out? Is it after Daredevil?
Romars202129
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I have a lot of faith Bernthal is going to make an amazing Punisher, but this still seems a little gun jumpy to me...
Sorry bub, Marvel is here to stay for awhile.
I am going to guess this fall.
BKatastrophe
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Yes please
We haven't seen how S2 of DD will turn out, so to say you don't want the writers involved is premature. They could very well have learned from their mistakes. Sort of the beauty of multiple seasons: a chance to improve. I mean, how many shows do you know have a rocky S1 that go on to have a great S2? I'm gonna bet it's a lot.
TJ for Moon Knight? Man people are really desperate to get him in here.
We were all waiting.
He did try to be Cap at one point
Wasn't it already retconned to Afghanistan during the Extremis storyline?
JeTmAn81
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After careful consideration; after my initial knee jerk reaction. I have decided that if I get this panel. I am good.
Don't think I've read this one. Is that Bullseye? Looks like Steve Dillon's art.
Understandable. who can fucking tell who he is drawing when he draws every face the same?
But yes, that's Bullseye.
JeTmAn81
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Well I thought the big bullseye on his forehead was a strong clue but you never know...
BKatastrophe
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I genuinely dislike Dillon's art.
torre_avenue
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I assume the bolded was meant for Luke Cage, not Iron Fist?
Fair enough. I was probably adhering too hard to the spring-fall release. But, the points raised make a lot of sense. You and another poster who responded to me bring it up, but has there been an article or something else pointing to Marvel wanting to make Defenders sooner rather than later? I just assumed it would be at least 2 years out just to coincide with Infinity War.
The reason I point to VFX as one reason for a longer incubation period for Iron Fist is because comparatively DD, JJ, and even Cage haven't had many if any...fantastic elements to visually portray. It's all been fairly grounded, but when it comes to IF, there's portraying K'un Lun as the big one as well as some sort of visual representation for Davos's and Iron Fist's powers, along with any other mythical elements. With DD and even JJ, the visual effects were minimal (blood spatter, weapons, backgrounds) and it still took about 4 months of post to get everything done. Iron Fist's world is a leap or two ahead of DD and JJ, hence longer post-time. But even then, that's a matter of months, not a year due to the filming time frame being around April to October or so. Hell, I don't even know if those filming dates are real because I can't find ones for DD or JJ, but I'd assume Marvel's not going to print fake filming dates for a casting call.
So yeah, my 2018 guesstimate for Iron Fist was probably a lot off, but I just don't see Iron Fist coming next spring. If it does, I would be put in a euphoric mood, but there's so little done for Iron Fist I'm just more down on it than the other shows.
problem is that The Punisher uses guns, so we won't get fights like these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_0hvICKzg
bottomline DD S1 is the best superhero show in my book, movies or TV series
I mean how can you top fights like those
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N_0hvICKzg
bottomline DD S1 is the best superhero show in my book, movies or TV series
I mean how can you top fights like those
Screaming Meat
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Si, correcto.
You don't need to top them with some John Wick moves.
still not in the same class as DD, but I love John Wick, I hope the Punisher team brings JW fight choreographer on board
Yeah I meant Luke Cage lol. We don't know when Iron Fist is shooting yet. We don't even know who Iron Fist is going to be!
As for the Defenders thing, the latest thing we have to go on is this: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jessica-jones-rape-season-two-842318
The showrunner herself believes that Marvel and Netflix are contracted to deliver Defenders sooner rather than later, and that it could create logistics issues for a second season before that happens. The fact that Marvel did not announce an immediate renewal of the series despite it being well received is also telling, because last year they announced Daredevil Season 2 shortly after Season 1 was released.
Keep in mind that time moves very quickly once production goes underway. This time last year, Jessica Jones had not even started shooting yet, and Daredevil Season 1 wasn't even out, and no one is talking about Season 2 or Punisher or anything. A year later and JJ has been out for 2 months, Luke Cage has been shooting for months, and DD S2 is out in 2 months.
As far as shooting schedules do, the ones I've tracked based on site reports and interviews/tweets from production go something like this:
Daredevil S1 - June to Dec 2014
Jessica Jones S1 - Feb to Aug 2015
Daredevil S2 - July to Dec 2015
Luke Cage S1 - Sep 2015 to now (ongoing)
not sure it would fit with the character, though. Frank is not supposed to be an agile Hong Kong style motherfucker, but a walking behemoth who carries a complete arsenal and dismembers whoever walks his way
peanutbutterlatte
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I love that the Defenders characters will offer a darker more "mature" look at the MCU, but it does sort of scupper the chances of them showing up in Infinity War.
"What's that character called honey? Jessica Jones? Sure you can watch her Netflix series".
Oops.
"What's that character called honey? Jessica Jones? Sure you can watch her Netflix series".
Oops.
captjohnboyd
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I'm actually feeling really positive about this. I could never figure out why the movies never worked. He seemed like such a simple character. I think it's because they were trying to pass him off as a "comic book" anti hero when he just needs to be an anti hero. What made him interesting in the comics was him not the situations or powers etc.
Yeah there will be tie ins to the larger universe of course but make this a character study about a damaged man who resorts to ultra violence and you'll have an excellent show.
Needs to have some choreography by the Raid guys too. Those Indonesians don't fucking play. Something full contact and brutal...outside of the gun play obviously.
Yeah there will be tie ins to the larger universe of course but make this a character study about a damaged man who resorts to ultra violence and you'll have an excellent show.
Needs to have some choreography by the Raid guys too. Those Indonesians don't fucking play. Something full contact and brutal...outside of the gun play obviously.
Yeah that John Wick style doesn't fit with the Punisher. Would rather see something in the likes of Strikeback.
Sibersk Esto
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The Illiterati
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I honestly think they'll renegotiate and Defenders will be pushed back. These decisions were made when they didn't know what the popularity would be. Since Netflix is literally aiming for 52 new shows a year, there's no reason why 4 of them(minimum) can't be Marvel. They're all made by different writers/directors, and Jessica Jones is one of the best reviewed shows on Netflix. It's absolutely stupid logic for them to ignore how the popularity has evolved in order to stick to a contract which will disturb the flow of these series they've started.
Personally,I think stories like The Tyger and his Max series refutes that he never works as a solo series character.
I wish they'd add a Marvel animated show or two in there and show up the garbage that's running on Disney XD.
BKatastrophe
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It's true. My friends and I all saw it in theaters and when the movie got done, we all came to that same conclusion.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah.He never worked primarily because
Gimme dat UXF Deadpool telling it like it is.
peanutbutterlatte
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Deadpool series from the guys who do Archer pls
Personally,I think stories like The Tyger and his Max series refutes that he never works as a solo series character.
Absolutely.
Ennis' portrayal of Frank Castle as "The Tyger," and not as a hero or a solution, but just as this beast that's constantly in search of more meat is really the only take on the character I care for anymore. Probably one of the best character studies Marvel has ever done. "I admire it for it's purity"
Frank Grillo is the best perfect Punisher, shame he's already Crossbones.
Father_Brain
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No confirmation from Netflix yet, though today is their TCA day.
if The Punisher is a walking behemoth, then there's another problem; Jon Bernthal is relatively short, he's only 5'10"
Could the confirmation come later today? Or is the whole slate already revealed?
One consideration is that they might not want to officially announce a Punisher series until Daredevil S2 is out and audiences are familiar with the character as portrayed in the series. While us fans might all be familiar, Netflix could be thinking of the larger audience out there. It might be weird to announce you're doing a spinoff with a character who hasn't even shown up yet.
I think the Banshee guys or the guys who did Breakout Kings would be great.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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PLEASE GET THE GUYS FROM BANSHEE OR JOHN WICK TO DO IT
Also the DD S1 showrunner would also probably love the gig. I recall him really talking up The Punisher.
Also the DD S1 showrunner would also probably love the gig. I recall him really talking up The Punisher.
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