Psykodad
Banned
Your interpretation then, because I honestly couldn't care less.
I even talked about the possibility of me disliking the game too once I get to play it.
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Death Stranding Review Thread
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I even talked about the possibility of me disliking the game too once I get to play it.
grainflavour
Member
What are you talking about? Why is he suddenly doing a review? The print in the magazine and the tweet came out around the same time. It's got nothing to do with backlash and until the next issue is published, and if he can bring himself to finish the game, then we will know if it is reviewed.
Psykodad
Banned
Complaining about needing to finish the game before reviewing is the key issue, not the print deadline.
But that's more of a problem with professional gaming journalism, rather than his DS-specific review.
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GymWolf
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Roni
Member
Yeah, doing things you don't like usually comes with benefits, as I learned. But as other have state, fun is subjective.
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FranXico
Member
Please share impressions.
KlickKlack
Banned
but... basically you need a game to have a "game!-play-loop"
With your words:
"Basically you can't enjoy the gameplay loop without a game.."
KlickKlack
Banned
i dont think he is referring to:
"The vast majority of positive 80+/100 reviews SCORES"
I think he is referring to the vast majority of negative rewievs texts... with positive 80+/100 rewievs Scores
Psykodad
Banned
Cool, honestly can't be bothered to start a sum of all things discussion with you too.
HotPocket69
Banned
“Hey can someone else spoil something story related for themselves so I don’t have to and then get back to me?”
Nah man I’m good
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kurisu_1974
is on perm warning for being a low level troll
They could have got another dude, or they could have delayed it with an issue. tldr: they could have done their fucking jobs instead of whining on Twitter!
Nydus
Member
Yes it spoilers. I tried to read the reviews because I often hear giant bomb is for cool kids and I was interested what bothered him so much.
I made it in 3 paragraphs and he did not stop spoiling hard so I stopped reading.
It also didn't help that his style of writing feels to target fans of the game in an aggressive and condescending way. Like he tries to provoke you how shit the game is and how dumb you have to be to like it. He doesn't said it but it was not a good read. Don't know a better way to say it.
Also the fact that he has no regard for spoilers shows he has no respect for the game and his readers...
FranXico
Member
Those are the people who refused to cover Kingdom Come (for obvious reasons), in spite of requests from their fans.
They don't respect gamers at all, this is known.
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ethomaz
Banned
The Edge dude is a tool.
First he said he won't review because he lost enthusiasm (unprofessional... since when you don't do your paid job due enthusiasm lol)... he said he won't review even in the next issues.
After the backslash he changed to review the game in next issue.
Ridiculous... dude should find another job more enthusiastic for him.
About GiantBomb... I stopped to care about them since that time when there is a big thread here with their useless and repetitive podcast.
First he said he won't review because he lost enthusiasm (unprofessional... since when you don't do your paid job due enthusiasm lol)... he said he won't review even in the next issues.
After the backslash he changed to review the game in next issue.
Ridiculous... dude should find another job more enthusiastic for him.
About GiantBomb... I stopped to care about them since that time when there is a big thread here with their useless and repetitive podcast.
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FranXico
Member
Then the meta will drop into the 70s. Some people here are going to throw a party!
Psykodad
Banned
So be it, the guy is clown regardless.
ethomaz
Banned
The score is the less important thing in his case... the unprofessionalism is in his face.
Tiamat2san
Member
I cracked and preordered the game 2 days ago.
I need to forge my own opinion.
Hope I did well.
Reviews are so opposites.
I need to forge my own opinion.
Hope I did well.
Reviews are so opposites.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What's unprofessional about the stance that he has played the game for a long time, concluded it is a dreadful experience, but because he is contractually bound not to write review unless he reached the end of the game, to write a critique without a score instead? He said he played the game for fourty hours. If you play a game for fourty hours and feel it is trash all that time, why would you continue playing? How could the game even possibly salvage your opinion of the game afterwards?
eastwood333
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From what i've seen and read,its got the whacky story telling of the MGS franchise with stealth/action replaced with repetitive,tedious fetch quest, in a barren world, in a walking simulator. Just not what i wanted or expected from a Kojima game
kurisu_1974
is on perm warning for being a low level troll
Oh sorry we thought it was his job.
ethomaz
Banned
I thought he was paid to do the job lol
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
His job is not to slavishly play to completion every game he reviews. 40 hours are plenty. His job is (in terms of reviews) to give an informed opinion about a game and to explain its strengths and weaknesses in a fair way. If he played a game for 40 hours, he will almost certainly be able to do so.
ethomaz
Banned
If you are alright with unprofessionalism... fine.
I'm not.
I hope you never had to deal with guys like him that only do part of their jobs in real life.
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Explosive Zombie
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grainflavour
Member
You are making this up, unless you can point me to the source?
He job is not to be told what to do by a somewhat stupid embargo
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It is not unprofessional, for a critic, to stop consuming a piece of media at one point prior to a formal ending. What do you think how many reviewers have fully beaten the F-Zero GX story mode before writing their review, for instance? Just because Death Stranding is a story-based game does not mean the reviewer has a moral or even formal obligation to finish the game. Afte 40 hours he has absolutely enough experience with the gameplay systems, world design, mission design, tech, tone and direction of the story to write a very competent and professional review. The only one thing he may be missing is some surprise story twist, but if 40 hours of gameplay are trash to him, how would even a clever ending to the story change anything about him thinking it is a bad game?
ethomaz
Banned
The embargo is fine and all story-driven games needs to have it... exceptions are games that have no ending.
Source: his tweets (I won't do the reviews in next issues) and the Edge's article (I will do the review in next issue).
Shinobitron
Member
I come from a movie loving background, and I mainly only play games with decent to great story. As long as the game play does its job in some way and helps me immerse myself in the story I will love the game.
grainflavour
Member
The embargo in my view is not fine, there are plenty of variables and being forced to finish a 40-60 hour game before you are able to publish a review is insane. I accept that sometimes the ending makes the film (Blair Witch springs to mind) but your looking at 2 hours in length.
The article was written before the tweet. Which if taken literally means there won't be a review.
kurisu_1974
is on perm warning for being a low level troll
Then why the childish tweet? Just stop and give the game to a more suited reviewer? Write a second opinion about how you couldn't finish the game and are married.
Psykodad
Banned
After 40 hours, you"d imagine he would've almost completed the game.
Might as well see it through then, especially since it's his job.
My guess is still that he's just an incompetent moron that got stuck halfway and went to twitter to not feel left out.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
How is a reviewer not suited for the game just because he decides, after 40 hours, it is trash and not worth continuing? It's not like he is complaining it is too difficult, he is complaining it is too boring. Which is a pretty significant criticism of a game. I also do not see what is childish about his tweet. He explained why there will not formally be a review, but an extended preview. It is only fair he explains it to potential buyers of the magazine.
eastwood333
Banned
So you want him to finish and give his inevitable bad score? You prob will be happier with a none score
Mozza
Member
Ah but after playing a game for forty hours that he did not like, he might have changed his mind after a clever ending or plot twist
, this is of course ludicrous as with many games/movies, you don't need to experience them to their conclusion to realize their quality good or bad, I still feel this issue is far more down to the embargo placed on the reviewer than anything else.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's the opposite for me. Not really into MGS series, but looking forward to this one.
brian0057
Banned
People are mad because Kojima's name is attached to this whole mess.
I'm having a blast watching people redefine the English language in order to justify this boring piece of software.
"Oh, the game is not 'fun' but it's worth it."
"What is 'fun'?"
"This game is really hard to define. It's not 'fun' in the traditional sense."
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DeepEnigma
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100 millie body counts can.
infinitys_7th
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hollowcupra
Member
We don't know if his 40hours was full of struggling on the first chapters, although i believe that if you have a project to complete, a review, a site to construct, whatever that is you should be responcible enough to inform your boss that you aren't good enough to finish it and give it to someone else. I mean if you don't like something you don't need 40hours to realize it. I can understand that for gaming reviews that's hard because the reviewer redeems the code on his account. That's easily fixable if the publications have a commong account for the reviews so everyone can use it.
Something like that happened when gamespot reviewed Skyward Sword and the first sentence of the reviewer was i don't like motion control in games. I don't see the reason to pick someone that is already biased towards something.
Something like that happened when gamespot reviewed Skyward Sword and the first sentence of the reviewer was i don't like motion control in games. I don't see the reason to pick someone that is already biased towards something.
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ethomaz
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I prefer to have all reviews scores on Meta no matter the score... like I said the score is not important... his attitude is.
But he doing a review now won't change what it did before.
He was lazzy with the excuse of "I can't do may job because I'm out of enthusiasm" lol tell that to any job you have in world if you anybody will say it is fine, you don't need to do your job.
He is clear the example of why gaming journalist are called bloggers instead actual journalists.
It is a paid hobby and not a paid job for them.
Edge and that "journalist" is out of my trusted publications/sites.
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Psykodad
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People complain that the game is easy?
How come he has been struggling for 40 hours and not be able to finish the game?
Considering the two are practically synonymous and also synonymous with "game"?
Yes, probably.
I, for one, cannot wait until this gen of gamers gets convinced of, and then tries to inflict upon those of us with actual critical thinking skills, the belief that "Sex isn't supposed to be any fun! It is just a means to replenish our corporate overlords' labor force!"
It shall be "fun" times.
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hollowcupra
Member
Struggling in the sense that if you don't like something you are barely doing what the game requires. The game is indeed very easy even on hard.
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DogsAndKisses
Neo Member
Just watched the first season and a half of Lost. 40 hours. Gonna post my review of the entire series shortly
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
You know, the game is certainly not for me, because I am a gameplay first kind of person and if the gameplay is tedious, then I think the game is junk. But it is fine to think that also a game that is mechanically not fun is a quality product. Similar to how a book need not be fun to be meaningful, in principle a game could have artistic qualities that go beyond the entertainment value. I do not think that product reviews are a good way to reflect on such artistic merit and it stands to question whether Death Stranding does have strong artistic merit beyond its entertainment value (and I do not know that, so no opinion from me here), but considering the character cult that some exhibit in terms of Kojima, it is of course a distinct possibility that the game is just being overinflated by some strong reviews. Time will tell.
Psykodad
Banned
That doesn't explain why he didn't beat the game after 40 hours.
If it's easy even on hard and you're being paid to review the game, the most logical thing to do is rush through it.
Best of all, he had two weeks to do so.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
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ethomaz
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Actually he had 3 weeks like every other reviewers.
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