funkystudent
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Nah "best comeback" will be John Cena in that match where he spend 90% of it getting beat up by his opponent but came back in the last 3 minutes got the win out of nowhere.
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December Wrasslin |OT| Dean Ambrose, Muscleless Agent of SHIELD, Every Week :(
Also, was it just me, or was Ziggler almost a straight up face in last night's show? He's the underdog against Cena, forced into a match that he gains nothing from but could lose everything in, everyone tells him he can't beat Cena, Sheamus blindsides him for no reason, on commentary he's calm, reasonable and has legit gripes that Cena has been given endless title shots for nothing, even though he's blown all of them.
Why would i cheer for Cena? He's the monster heel in this story, and Dolph the plucky underdog. About the only heelish thing he did all night was hit Sheamus with a chair, and Sheamus is the guy who beat down Big Show with a chair at Survivor Series.
Either he's a face that no one realises is a face, or he's an "anti-villain" heel. What does he really do that heelish? Be cocky? Show off? The top faces are all cocky as hell too. The occasional underhanded tactic is the only cursory thing done to make him a heel.
When Daniel Bryan turned heel at the start of the year, he turned into an absolute asshole. He was hilarious, but you can see how he's supposed to be hated. Same with Punk, even if the crowd still cheers him, he goes for every cheap heat and heel tactic he can find.
Why would i cheer for Cena? He's the monster heel in this story, and Dolph the plucky underdog. About the only heelish thing he did all night was hit Sheamus with a chair, and Sheamus is the guy who beat down Big Show with a chair at Survivor Series.
Either he's a face that no one realises is a face, or he's an "anti-villain" heel. What does he really do that heelish? Be cocky? Show off? The top faces are all cocky as hell too. The occasional underhanded tactic is the only cursory thing done to make him a heel.
When Daniel Bryan turned heel at the start of the year, he turned into an absolute asshole. He was hilarious, but you can see how he's supposed to be hated. Same with Punk, even if the crowd still cheers him, he goes for every cheap heat and heel tactic he can find.
Remember: Faces are Heels and Heels are Faces.
Cena hasn't been the underdog in years. He's a dynasty!
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Nocturnowl
Member
What about when Cena returned after becoming forgotten because NO ONE REMEMBERS SECOND PLACE! THAT'S WHY I CAN'T LOSE, those 24 hours after WM were a trying ordeal but boy did he recover.
How about after Brock kicked the eternal shit out of him and Cena took an important respite to recover from injuries and save his marriage from divorce, another trying 24 hours there but Cena bounced back like the champ he is.
Man strobogo was right, Cena's a comeback machine
You're right. I guess I got it mixed up since HHH came out at some point and spun that as him ending the Undertaker's streak by beating him up so bad (and losing).
Damn, I missed the Antonio Cesaro match
The match itself was a bit dull and disappointing, but that move was the highlight of the night. The more I watch it, the more I'm amazed by it.
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Deleted member 47027
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Wtf was with your behavior on the ppv last night Ithil? Shameful!
Mr. Luchador
Member
All those years in CHIKARA paying off 
I haven't seen it yet. I'll get back to you.
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Deleted member 47027
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Well it was "Fatal Match" so you have to expect it.
Damn, I missed the Antonio Cesaro match
Wow. Cesaro is amazing in the ring. Needs a better gimmick...
I thought the Shield had a pretty good showing in the clusterfuck ending last night. They all got a good pratfall in when Ryback tossed a ladder in their faces, Rollins beat down Cena without the help of the others (since they were late, or something), Ambrose was awesome screaming in Cena's face and slapping him, and Reigns was shown being able to go toe to toe with Ryback in the middle of the ring.
It's also extremely refreshing that none of them are cowardly, they all stand their ground instead of fleeing when a face comes running down. The only time they've been sent off is when they were physically manhandled into the crowd.
Between them and Cesaro, it's nice to see heels that aren't chickenshit.
It's also extremely refreshing that none of them are cowardly, they all stand their ground instead of fleeing when a face comes running down. The only time they've been sent off is when they were physically manhandled into the crowd.
Between them and Cesaro, it's nice to see heels that aren't chickenshit.
Awesome that they're putting this on to get a NYC crowd warmed up.
To be fair, AJ got one of the bigger pops last night. If they have her go over, that should get the crowd somewhat excited. Esp. seeing as there should be at least some Jersey folk in that crowd. Aside from a bunch of hot girls in tiny santa's helper outfits doing some grappling.
Miz is no Roddy Piper, or Y2J or even a Christian on the mic, he should just not do a talk-show segment.
If they're keeping AJ face, I'd rather she didn't win the title on a PPV with no build-up, it'd be a bigger star making moment to have her finally beat Eve at WM 29 in her home state.
Coldnoodle
Member
But he is the most must-see WWE superstar of all time!
Just talking about the pre-show Battle Royale here, she should lose to Eve, either through Tamina interference or other shenanigans. Assuming the plan is still for Eve and AJ to feud for a while.
Did you know he main evented Wrestlemania two years ago?
Doesn't come close to those, or Edge's Cutting Edge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHUVs0oJuQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7JU2OZzPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9a3qhLQp00
I thought Cody's mustache got a bigger pop.
Sounds about right.
Wait, there was a Wrestlemania two years ago?!
Why can't they just have AJ realize her life/career has gone to shit since becoming involved with Cena. I hope that on Sunday as he's climbing the ladder she runs in and pushes it over and starts yelling at him for ruining her life.
We still would have all wasted too much time on this, but I hope they can get some nugget of good out of it in the end.
What am I doing?
I'm North from the GWF chat last, btw. Now that Raw is airing earlier in Canada I hope to catch season 2 live.
We still would have all wasted too much time on this, but I hope they can get some nugget of good out of it in the end.
What am I doing?
I'm North from the GWF chat last, btw. Now that Raw is airing earlier in Canada I hope to catch season 2 live.
I like how you're fantasy booking this.
Perhaps, since they've been hammering on her living in cars/being homeless for weeks now, she can yell something like "I WOULD RATHER LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE IN A CAR THAN BE WITH YOU" or something spiteful like that.
Barack Lesnar
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...a pre-show worth watching, I'm in.
In the WWE, faces are faces until the audience is told they're not faces. It doesn't matter how a heel or face acts, it only matters what the predetermined orientation. The only 'heel' act a face can commit is attacking another face.
Sheamus can murder Big Show with a steel chair but he's a face murdering a heel, thus it's cool bro.
The only way to invert that alignment in the WWE today is for Sheamus to hit Cena once with a chair shot, intentionally.
He's terrible at everything he does.
Sheamus can murder Big Show with a steel chair but he's a face murdering a heel, thus it's cool bro.
The only way to invert that alignment in the WWE today is for Sheamus to hit Cena once with a chair shot, intentionally.
He's terrible at everything he does.
mechashiva
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It was the best part of Raw.
I can see them breaking them apart but making it "AJ's fault", because you know Cena is perfect. On RAW, she bothered him in the locker room, threw a tantrum later on, then he shot her down when she wanted to come to ringside because she'd muck it up.
So I'm assuming they're making her a "burden" on poor John Cena who has to put up with this dumb woman. So he drops her and she turns "heel" as a result.
Which would of course be a braindead way of ending it, that does nothing but harm to AJ's character and as usual, Cena no sells any kind of change. So it's likely.
Same as ending the Rise Above Hate story by Eve suddenly becoming an evil slut, Ryder being forgotten, and Cena learning nothing.
Perspicacity
Banned
It seems like his gimmick is getting there. They're removing the unnecessary parts (Aksana, speaking in five languages) but still allowing him to talk down to Americans and drop in a little German (or Swiss, whatever) for that cheap heat.
And it's not like a lack of heat stops a heel in the WWE. Del Rio has zero heat, and he's seemingly got an eternal push (or half-push anyway).
Cheap heat it might be, but it gets Cesaro a heel reaction, and that's good. Early in his WWE career, he needs to be in the fans minds as much as possibile.
That's not a WWE thing, that's how wrestling has always worked. Faces can do anything to heels and still be a face. Case in point, in ECW 95, Tommy Dreamer (face) spikes Beulah (heel) with a piledriver and injures her. The fans love it and cheer for Tommy and Joey Styles approves of it.
Fast forward three years, Beulah (face) is injured by the Dudleys (heel) and the fans hate it. The Dudleys are despicable, cowardly, etc. according to Joey Styles.
He won't be over huge until he's involved in a hot angle with some promos. Nobody gets over huge from just ring work.
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Deleted member 47027
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What about Goldberg? Would he count?
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