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December Wrasslin' |OT| Sinacember to Remember
- Thread starter BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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It's funny that you criticize "WWE viewers" while viewing sporting crowds through the lens of a wrestling smark only.
That's a reflection of Vince using the same general story ideas for decades now.
I'm confused. You don't think the majority of those chanting at the NXT event weren't smarks?
British Monsoon
Member
You know what needs to fuck off for good in 2016? Marks and Smarks. If you've ever spent a penny on wrestling, you're a mark. If you know it's a work, you're a smark. Both terms are entirely redundant in this day and age when pretty much everyone watching wrestling has a) spent some money on it and b) knows it's a fucking work. It's just become a stupid, divisive term that only gets in the way of discussion.
And what, exactly, in modern US wrestling gives you the impression that hot crowds the likes of which you'd regularly see in decades past are ever coming back?
I think we're at a fundamental impasse here - "getting chants over" is something you seem to think most crowds are preoccupied with, when rather it's often a spur of the moment sort of thing and the intent likely isn't to get anything over other than a sense of support or condemnation for a crowd's most favoured or most disliked wrestlers, or a general appreciation of the action in the ring.
And what, exactly, in modern US wrestling gives you the impression that hot crowds the likes of which you'd regularly see in decades past are ever coming back?
I think we're at a fundamental impasse here - "getting chants over" is something you seem to think most crowds are preoccupied with, when rather it's often a spur of the moment sort of thing and the intent likely isn't to get anything over other than a sense of support or condemnation for a crowd's most favoured or most disliked wrestlers, or a general appreciation of the action in the ring.
Dick Justice
Banned
At this point, "smark" seems to have just become a word to describe a wrestling fan who holds an opinion that you don't like.
I hope the Blu Ray for this event has that option.
Pretty much
Are you sure that's smark and not "gimmick poster"?
new topic?
is this a shoot?
I'll have to review this more thoroughly. It's possible Terry Bollea is well-practiced in Dim Mak (translation: The Death Touch) and hit a pressure point, causing a total shutdown of Kevin Nash's nervous system.
See: Otome-Kimon
Yup. It has lost all meaning in modern context. It's purely used in a demeaning or facetious fashion now.
Dick Justice
Banned
FallingEdge
Member
Heel, we have all seen Bloodsport. We don't need an explanation of what Dim Mak is.
Thank you.
Look I'm not saying don't chant. But if you chant, then please chant encouraging things towards the faces like "LETS GO INSERT WRESTLERS NAME HERE... LETS GO... *CLAP CLAP... CLAP CLAP CLAP*", or "WREST-LER... WREST-LER... WREST-LER...". Those are great productive chants that don't distract from a potential classic. Like what if fans were singing "Ricky The Magic Dragon" randomly during Flair Vs. Steamboat? That would have really ruined potential viewings for me at least.
Won't someone think of the children!
FlammableD
Banned
Can you type that up into a handy Hijack Raw style fact sheet of approved chants I can tweet round and print out for next time? Cheers babe.
FlammableD
Banned
I know, I must have been out for a piss and missed the riot when Enzo and Cass lost. Disgusting.
So what you're saying is that crowds can actively become a part of the visual form of entertainment by distracting viewers from the wrestling. Thus hijacking the show and in turn making it about themselves.
I'll have it for you by the end of the week.
Make sure to hand them out at all upcoming ICW, and Progress shows.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I saw three brand new Star Wars movies and I learned to stop getting too excited after the 2nd
Yep, and reading the reviews for next weeks NXT some people will not be happy with the crowd when Jason Jordan and Gable show up.
Though it seems Jason Jordan was hoping they never leave England. He should be nominated and winner of comeback of the year.
FlammableD
Banned
I'll print them out for the queue at the next PROGRESS show, no probs
wait, which star wars movies did you watch
British Monsoon
Member
PROGRESS will have to amend their one rule...
"DON'T BE A DICK (by deviating from the pre-approved list of chants)"
Serpentine
Banned
...And use good paper. Like the kind that's used for resumes. I want them to feel like they might get a guilty conscience if they threw it out.
Dude seemed so estatic at all the house shows. Like running the length of the apron when the chants were happening. After every show he was tweeting about how overwhelmed he was with the support and how he didn't think it could get any better...and then it did every night. He's been in this iteration of NXT since day 1 so he must be overjoyed.
I agree, and here's how we change this in WWE at least - I don't think indie promotions are capable of any sort of organization beyond having people show up to buildings, occasionally.
WWE institutes a ban on any crowd interaction by wrestlers. Do not look at the crowd for any longer than is totally necessary. Do not acknowledge them. Remind the wrestlers that they are there to entertain at home in America and that the live audience is an unfortunate byproduct of live events being lucrative. Cena cannot acknowledge any chants, positive or negative, for example. Commentators are actively encouraged to either totally ignore any significant, organized chants or songs and better yet passively aggressively remind them of the disgusting hooligan culture that spawned such things.
If we educate fans like this, we could be looking at truly respectful, appreciative fans on the level of a Korakuen Hall (perhaps minus the callouts of wrestlers names) or World of Sport tapings. It would usher in a new age of wrestling crowds, that are respectful and sensitive to the people at home in America, watching.
British Monsoon
Member
Even Korakuen's not safe from the wrath of dirty smarks trying to get themselves over. The other day I heard them chanting, chanting I say! EL-U-GIN, EL-U-GIN, EL-U-GIN!
Also, those old World of Sport tapes? Kids running around at ringside, visually trying to distract from the action in the ring and old grannies attacking heels with their handbags in a disgusting display of trying to get themselves over!
I tell you, I won't be satisfied until crowds are as placid as a 1950's WWWF show or an AWA TV taping.
Also, those old World of Sport tapes? Kids running around at ringside, visually trying to distract from the action in the ring and old grannies attacking heels with their handbags in a disgusting display of trying to get themselves over!
I tell you, I won't be satisfied until crowds are as placid as a 1950's WWWF show or an AWA TV taping.
pantsattack
Member
It's a record label.
British Monsoon
Member
God damn it!
Dental Plan
Member
It turns out, MAN is the real monster.
I liked it but at same time I think it is gonna hurt roman in the long run also Shit must have pretty bad backstage considering that vince doesn't want to be on tv.
slightconfuse
Banned
Final Battle looks really good
I was at lunch and someone at the next table was talking loudly about Star Wars. And this person seemed like a normal, successful, non-neckbearded person. But the shit he said sounded like the nerdiest shit I had ever heard.
Gentlemen, this is somehow more acceptable to talk about in public than pro wrestling. Chewbacca is more acceptable to talk about in public than pro wrestling. And it's not even close.
Gentlemen, this is somehow more acceptable to talk about in public than pro wrestling. Chewbacca is more acceptable to talk about in public than pro wrestling. And it's not even close.
Yeah, I'm okay with this.
I'm pretty sure it has always been more acceptable to talk about Star Wars than pro wrestling.
Yeah, and? Star Wars is widely accepted in the mainstream culture. Wrestling not so much.
Look I'm very excited about the new Star Wars, but shit like this Stealth ad...
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1155269
Turn me off a little.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I'm glad it's more acceptable to like Star Wars in public than it is to like WWE. As it should be tbh
31GhostsIV
Banned
Just wait until Vince dies and Disney buys the WWE, then worldwide acceptance will occur.
And Reigns will use the Spider-man Punch.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Wrestling is almost the least socially acceptable thing to talk about in public, slightly above being a racist
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