boiled goose
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Yes! I definitely support him staying in the race till the end. I think he would be a great president. I just think he lost this debate, not just in isolation, but in the context of him being behind in the race.
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Yes! I definitely support him staying in the race till the end. I think he would be a great president. I just think he lost this debate, not just in isolation, but in the context of him being behind in the race.
You realize people live or die based on who's elected right? They don't have time for your games.
Swing voters identify blue or red. They're more accurately called very infrequent voters.
Whoever gets theirs out, wins.
DontBeThatGuy
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It sounds like they're finally coming around to the reality that Clinton will be the nominee and there's nothing to do about it. Of course, I'm not watching right now because they've lost me with this election, with their tactics.
Yea at this point both sides should be tired of the debate process. No one is going to drastically change their stances.
shadowsdarknes
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What could Hillary have even said in a speech to Goldman Sachs?
One of her speeches was about getting women involved in entrepreneurship or something along those lines.
I doubt there would be any talk like, "Don't worry, I won't regulate you!" or "I'm happy to have taken money from you so you can deregulate the banking industry".
I can't imagine she said anything damning unless it was taken out of context.
One of her speeches was about getting women involved in entrepreneurship or something along those lines.
I doubt there would be any talk like, "Don't worry, I won't regulate you!" or "I'm happy to have taken money from you so you can deregulate the banking industry".
I can't imagine she said anything damning unless it was taken out of context.
DragonSworne
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Tell that to the democrat leadership.
Yeah, Trump is totally doesn't have any special corporate interests, doesn't pander at all, and is far from wealthy to be able to relate to middle class Americans.
There's plenty of other opportunities to punish the Democrats. This election is too important for a spite vote or a non-vote.
And let's not pretend that Trump doesn't have plenty of good friends in finance/Wall Street.
Oh they are bias. How they've been handling the delegate situation shows that. That's why it's surprising that they actually all admitted what they admitted.
Tesseract
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Can't say I blame ya, the Hillary drank among Democrats is bizarre. We were reeling for Romney's speeches back in 2012, now Hillary gets a pass because I don't know.
I know several people in real life who say things like this, when I try to press them on why, they have no real explanation. Well my cousin did say he didn't think women could be good leaders, so there's that.
excelsiorlef
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It's a reasonable request but I really don't see how it has effected her voting record. She's not honest and transparent, she doesn't need to be, she needs to show results so she can get reelected.
The Goldman speeches are the 2016 whitey tape.
SaviourMK2
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I didn't say a vote for Trump was a vote for something else, did I?
I gave a fully fleshed out answer of why I'm not voting for her.
Frankly, your question was not relevant to my post.
boiled goose
good with gravy
She probably said stuff about people in finance in banking being misunderstood and attacked unfairly.
Nothing terrible, but definitely implications that she will be soft.
There is a reason she hasn't released them and a reason why they are funding her...
This is what frustrates me about HillaryGAF. No honesty here and a complete double standard.
We all agree Rubio is in the pocket of Koch and Oil, Lindsay G. is in the pocket of the Military Industrial Complex, Cruz has his rich donors, etc.
But somehow Clinton is immune. It is just not honest IMO. I don't think this level of mental gymnastics is possible.
And I fully respect your opinion and as a whole, perhaps you're right.
National health exchange instead of state by state.
On paper it means more competition for cheaper insurance prices. In practice it could lead to even more dangerous monopolies.
!?
So people should vote for Trump over Hillary, even though more people will die under Trump?
That's what it essentially boils down to.
King Tubby
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You're tired of money corrupting politics so you are going to cast your vote for a racist billionaire demagogue. Interesting choice.
This highlighted section is a succinct description of Donald Trump.
I'm setting the party's platform. You reject candidates you disagree with, you vote for ones you agree with. I voted for the person I agree most with in the primaries, they have my data.
Now they burn.
It's relevant to the debate, though. And it's a blindspot to criticize Obama for not accomplishing impossible feats.
DontBeThatGuy
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Hell, I've personally heard women say that about Hillary. It's maddening. It's like, she's more than qualified, and stop shitting on your own gender, damn.
The amount of privilege in this post is staggering.
Perhaps she doesn't need to be, but many people, as it turns out, seek that sort of quality in a president.
Of course it won't be anything like that.
But I imagine it would have completely harmless, normal, and *correct* points on the importance of the financial sector for the economy, how it generates employment, allocates resources for investment, etc.
Normal, light pandering adjustments for any speech, but people that already have the presumption of thinking Wall Street is the ultimate evil would run with it as a bullet point for negative campaigns and shallow attacks.
People want transcripts for little sound bites they can use to confirm their biases.
King Tubby
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I don't suppose you have any friends who are Muslims or Latinos?
Pretty normal for presidential candidates. I mean, it's demonstrably dumb, but if you don't give a little death penalty lip-service it's just another thing for your opponents to attack you on and turn focus to. I doubt it's something she cares enough about to do anything about it legislatively.
They do, but they've never gotten it.
DontBeThatGuy
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Wait, was he being serious? I truly don't know what's real anymore.
How so? It seems like a good potential stepping-stone to public coverage.
Grover Cleveland
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I'm not saying that how the candidate feels about religion isn't important to people out there.
I'm saying that the specific questions they asked were poor. You're never going to get a really good answer to inform your opinion of how exactly a candidate feels about religion by asking "Who do you pray to and for?" Every candidate worth their salt will give the stock "I pray a lot for our country" response. (As Hilary did)
If they wanted to ask religion they should have asked something that would have prompted actually well thought out, insightful, revealing responses.
Otherwise, it's a waste of time.
Or black? Or any minority?
BinaryPork2737
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If you reject candidates you disagree with, why are you voting for Trump instead of just sitting out the election? Or do you just agree with Trump?
theshizzle
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I honestly can't believe the apathy for Hillary's transcripts.
If you were about to marry someone, but found out that they might be cheating on you and you asked for their texts as evidence, but they refused, wouldn't you be suspicious? Doesn't that say something about whether you can trust this person?
Ridiculous.
If you were about to marry someone, but found out that they might be cheating on you and you asked for their texts as evidence, but they refused, wouldn't you be suspicious? Doesn't that say something about whether you can trust this person?
Ridiculous.
Yeah.. this is a bit of puzzling argument to me. Just because Trump isn't actually in politics does not change the face that he is the richest person there and running his own businesses and brand. He has the most to gain, personally, by getting the nomination, or worse, the Presidency.
Or black for that matter
Because sitting out the election is only half the punishment as voting for the other party.
I'm not criticizing him, I'm criticizing Hillary for falsely attributing accomplishments to him.
Yes, but they literally say they are biased towards bernie on a daily basis. It's different than pretending to be clear cut neutral and then spewing support for him. There's been many debates now where they praise the way Hilary handles herself and are genuinely impressed by her.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Hey I hope Im wrong. But I have to be honest.
Yes. But she is a progressive. hahaha
Ugh. Depressing. There are valid criticisms of Hillary, but this is just so fucking frustrating.
Well, there was this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs
Pretty disgusting. But if it comes down to her and Trump, I'll obviously have to go with her. I'm just hoping Bernie can pull off a hail mary.
Then that makes even less.
Though this...
...tells me you're not a serious person anyway.
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