OrangeGrayBlue
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I think that's his biggest issue. The entire northern panhandle is basically Alabama.
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Democrat Debate 8 [Univision] Agent Smith goes to Washington
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I think that's his biggest issue. The entire northern panhandle is basically Alabama.
NullPointer
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She's also been very clear that she'd hold overturning Citizen's United as a litmus test for her Supreme Court nominations.
SolarPowered
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This gifs have been absolutely wonderful haha.
Damerman
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The US supports anyone who aligns with them be it a democratic nation or a dictatorship. It makes little difference. If this wasn't the case then probably you'd hear more on Kuwait, or Bahrain or maybe even Saudi Arabia but you don't. Atrocities happen all the time - and you can almost guarantee US manufactured weapons are being used in them.
strikeselect
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I'm a third-generation Cuban American and I personally didn't find Bernie's Castro answer offensive or worrisome. Most younger voters won't give a shit either. That being said, the older folks down here will be outraged of course.
That "socialist" tag is a big big burden to carry for Bernie.
That "socialist" tag is a big big burden to carry for Bernie.
For some reason this is hard for Bernie fans to understand sometimes
Needs more explanatory captions.
We always hear after these debates that Hillary won, yet it is Bernie who always takes a bump in the polls immediately after
Before the debate in Michigan Hillary was leading in the polls for that state, immediately after the debate MSNBC posted an article titled "Hillary Clinton denies Bernie Sanders a win at Flint Democratic debate"
..and then the very next day Bernie won that state's primary
Before the debate in Michigan Hillary was leading in the polls for that state, immediately after the debate MSNBC posted an article titled "Hillary Clinton denies Bernie Sanders a win at Flint Democratic debate"
..and then the very next day Bernie won that state's primary
Is it surprising to you? A lot of the media have a clear favorite in this race.
Lol Colombians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans don't give a damn bleep about the right wing Cuban lobby in Miami. Those who do and vote in tandem are merely mixed with that community and have come to identify with them as a result of some sort of group think that'll benefit them in their own lives as they move up in the social ladder. That little war has failed catastrophically, except the fact that the Cuban Adjustment Act exist. Funnily enough that very same Cuban lobby, seeing changes in voting patterns is looking to amend the law. The irony.
It did net the Republicans George W. Bush over Gore. So it did cost the Democrats dearly - but Bill deserved it (even tho Gore didn't). Obama is correcting it - as he should.
Pres. Obama called for a democratic reforms in Bahrain and for the its autocratic leaders to listen to the protesters demands. They ignored Obama and cracked down on those protests hard after witnessing the U.S. "abandon" Mubarak.
thehypocrite
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In context, that video has nothing. He said neither Castro nor Ortega are perfect or had unanimous support in the context of the interest by the US to overthrow them and said these contries are more culturally aligned with the US.
Agreed. At least criticise Castro for the obvious: political prisoners, suppression of free speech, no elections. The moderators gave him a chance and he didn't take it.
This will be even worse in the general election should he be the nominee. Bernie Sanders simply can't win Florida in November. I didn't think he could anyways because he used the S word. But now I'm sure of it.
Abinash117
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Well unless you expect to do a regime change there or impose economic sanctions on those nations than those nations are going to remain that way after long awhile. So the best choice is probably to pressure behind the scenes and work with them.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Hey, I am a Clinton supporter but I do like the guy, I'm just saying it was a moment where nuance wasn't a good look, and I think it's gonna burn him - moreso because it's how the debate wrapped up.
Clinton's campaign hasn't managed to make him look bad yet, and her own attempts tonight were pretty flaccid. After getting bodied off and on for the first 2/3 of the debate they threw her a bone that'll stick.
exmachina64
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No, she's been campaigning against it since the beginning of her campaign.
valkillmore
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Unknown Soldier
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The Matrix theme has made this thread just amazing to read
I think it was his response to the question that did him in
I thought the current understanding was that Bernie's surprise victory was a flaw in the polls rather than a twenty point Bernie surge.
A Black Falcon
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Decent debate. Bernie did better than the last debate in terms of manner -- much less finger-wagging, and no rudely talking over her. Refusing to change his opinion on Ortega and Castro is a big mistake, though... I certainly understand not wanting to change your opinions on things, but in this case it is definitely something which is going to hurt him.
A big part of it seems to be that WAY more young voters voted in Michigan than pollsters were expecting.
The first part of that, to continue and expand on the executive orders, is a good answer of what needs to happen as long as the congress refuses to act on the most important challenge we are facing today. The second, forging a bipartisan consensus, is the aspirational part, about what we need to push for politically in this country. Bernie's problem is that he starts with the latter, without ever mentioning the former, what he'll do in the actual political realities of Washington today. Several times tonight he was pressed on 'but what will you do', and every time he dodged and just repeated talking points, instead of really answering the question. It's great to press for change and a better Congress, but repeating "we need a political revolution" does not solve our problems.
A big part of it seems to be that WAY more young voters voted in Michigan than pollsters were expecting.
TheLostBigBoss
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not at all
It's been like that all election though. He's down 20 points then narrowly loses, except for the south where he had no chance in hell against the Clinton stronghold.
He was given an opportunity to clarify, especially in response to Clinton's bit about the tactics used in Cuba, and he whiffed it.
No it hasn't? This is totally untrue.
Good fucking lord.
The fact that people don't realize that Clinton has always been against Citizens United speaks volumes.
Look, I like Bernie, but it would be nice if Bernie supporters could learn as much about Clinton from her actual policies as they did from Republican propaganda.
The fact that people don't realize that Clinton has always been against Citizens United speaks volumes.
Look, I like Bernie, but it would be nice if Bernie supporters could learn as much about Clinton from her actual policies as they did from Republican propaganda.
darkside31337
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It is absolutely the biggest talking point of this debate. The other stuff is going to get drowned out by the tape and Bernie refusing to back down on it.
BrutishMrFish
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Fuck, this Trump guy again? I love all the other pundits grinning extra hard to keep it together.
Spoiled Milk
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Bernieeeeeee! 
That's utterly ridiculous. Why weren't no fly zones imposed in Bahrain? Obama and the White House release statements and publicly denounce the reaction to said uprisings - but they carry no weight. Their relationship is far more important than democracy.
And Obama supported Mubarak right until the end. Same thing for Gaddafi.
Coriolanus
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So has he, so neither gets cookie points for that.
Now, if you go to her issues site, that's her other solution. Which is ludicrous.
Bruce Springsteen
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Seemed pretty even to me
I sincerely hope this will happen once he drops out of the race... But I don't have my hopes set too high.
It'd be nice if Hillary and her supporters didn't spread outright lies about Bernie's actual policies too. >_>
Hillary moreso, to be frank.
Sanders has been consistently behind in the polls by large margins then closed the gaps as the primaries became closer. The only polls where he's been ahead were Vermont, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts.
Not to the extent in Michigan. It was an unprecedented failure of polling.
ShironRedshift
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Yeah, Michigan was a one-off thing so far and likely will remain that way. That's why it's news: because nothing like that has happened in forever. Not sure where anybody is getting any idea otherwise.
I think it's not going to matter that much except in Florida.
However, it is ammo for the GOP arsenal, which Bernie will need a response come the GE.
valkillmore
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Dude did you watch his spar with Van? He's all about that leftist KKK angle
Davey Cakes
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I found the moderators incredibly annoying. Sometimes I just want to hear the candidates speak and elaborate, damn it.
And I'm really getting tired of non-answers too, especially from Bernie. I support him so much that I'm extra critical when he returns to the same talking points and doesn't go into specifics. And he continues to sound too fucking angry all the time. You can try better to be likable, dude.
And Hillary...like, I understand why it's pragmatic to maintain the status quo but holy shit, the reason people want a change is for fundamental reasons. Some of our systems need to be overhauled. "Universal Healthcare isn't about health coverage" is absolutely correct. It's not about who's covered, but how they're covered and how it's paid for. Going from a person's privilege to a person's right.
And some of those attacks on Sanders were in poor taste or just ill-conceived in general.
And I'm really getting tired of non-answers too, especially from Bernie. I support him so much that I'm extra critical when he returns to the same talking points and doesn't go into specifics. And he continues to sound too fucking angry all the time. You can try better to be likable, dude.
And Hillary...like, I understand why it's pragmatic to maintain the status quo but holy shit, the reason people want a change is for fundamental reasons. Some of our systems need to be overhauled. "Universal Healthcare isn't about health coverage" is absolutely correct. It's not about who's covered, but how they're covered and how it's paid for. Going from a person's privilege to a person's right.
And some of those attacks on Sanders were in poor taste or just ill-conceived in general.
Democrats in general. Because the Democratic party of today is the same as the Democratic party of back then.
That guy is either completely disingenuous or a nutjob.
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