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[SlowRevolution]

these mics are so bad.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Yeah the Clintons wanted healthcare reform in the 90s and it got shit on if i remember correctly.

One of Bill's biggest defeats if you aren't counting scandals

 

[adj_noun]

I'm intrigued by this "why try" platform.

 

[brochiller]

American exceptionalism bullshit.

Probably my least favorite argument of any from either party.

 

[SURGEdude]

I like that Bernie uses the NHS as an example of awesome healthcare.

How shit is US healthcare?

Rationing based on income essentially.

 

[Ashodin]

Really hate how Hillary always has to have the last word.

Yeeeeeeeeep. Sanders was supposed to have the last word, but she interjected.

 

[Superman0]

American exceptionalism bullshit.

You would think that only Republican would pull this nonsense smh. Borrow the things that work, how hard is that?

 

[SolarPowered]

Oh Hillary, we can be so much better. Who cares if we are inspired by other countries Norway, Britain, France, Germany or Denmark.

This is the one thing you could only say that she's ALWAYS been for, along with a staunch supportive with reproductive rights.

She almost died on the sword of UHC in the 90s.

Yeah, I was a nineties kid, so I can't really appreciate just how much of a fight she had on her hands.

 

[Justin]

It almost sounds like an actual debate?!?!

 

[pigeon]

I appreciate Hillary making the affirmative case for incrementalism tonight. We want to get universal health care, but we don't want to uproot everything we've accomplished so far.

 

[HylianTom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

Damn near killed her career.

And then the Dems got shellacked the following year. I remember it well, and it's part of why I do the whole "SensibleChuckle.gif" thing when someone claims she isn't serious about the matter/isn't "progressive," etc..

 

[Mecha]

"We aren't this other country so this liberal policy that works for them won't work for us!"

Has always been poor reasoning to me.

 

[Raxus]

"yes we can"

"no we can't"

"YES WE CAN!"

"NO WE CAN'T!"

Moderator: "Let's call the whole thing off"

 

[Fenderputty]

It's not whisky, therefore it's trash.

Haha yes!

 

[disastermouse]

Is it just me or is Hillary trying to look younger?

 

[Zyae]

Why you yellin, Bernie?

It's not like she doesn't want to achieve the same things.

She doesnt.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Messages are so different here

 

[gutter_trash]

the more she spins on healthcare, the more I side with Bernie

 

[Prodigal Son]

She's definitely on the offensive tonight.

 

[SURGEdude]

I appreciate Hillary making the affirmative case for incrementalism tonight. We want to get universal health care, but we don't want to uproot everything we've accomplished so far.

It's fair, but I don't think we need to go slow on this issue.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

So why is more government automatically seen as a bad thing here? Expanding government here would also mean more stable jobs for a lot of people. Why is that never highlighted as opposed to the supposed decrease in liberty etc?

 

[UltimaPooh]

I appreciate Hillary making the affirmative case for incrementalism tonight. We want to get universal health care, but we don't want to uproot everything we've accomplished so far.

OMG.

Thats litteraly not what Bernie will do.

 

[Psychoward]

Moderator: "Let's call the whole thing off"

...after we let Hillary get the last word

 

[stupei]

don't you have an emergency bottle of liquor in one of your drawers?

Sometimes other people use my office on the weekend. Can't be trusted.

 

[Red]

She's definitely on the offensive tonight.

She should be.

 

[Kthulhu]

I like that Bernie uses the NHS as an example of awesome healthcare.

How shit is US healthcare?

People can go bankrupt from getting a operation they need to live. Does the NHS have that? Watch Michael Moore's documentary Sicko for a better picture on the healthcare system pre ACA.

 

[User 463088]

Oh Hillary, we can be so much better. Who cares if we are inspired by other countries Norway, France, Germany or Denmark.

Yeah, I was a nineties kid, so I can't really appreciate just how much of a fight she had on her hands.

Everything was thrown at her when she tried to take health care. She was sued because the GOP said that the First Lady didn't have the right to do what she was doing. She was crucified in the media. Big Pharma and Insurance companies went after with a passion. The GOP in Congress destroyed her. It wasn't pretty. She didn't win, but she got CHIPS out of it, eventually.

 

[WarMacheen]

It was real, it failed spectacularly, and she paid an enormous political price for that failure. (This is what House of Cards S3 is echoing.)

From wikipedia

The Clinton health care plan, known officially as the Health Security Act and unofficially nicknamed "Hillarycare" (after First Lady Hillary Clinton) by its detractors, was a 1993 healthcare reform package proposed by the administration of President Bill Clinton and closely associated with the chair of the task force devising the plan, First Lady of the United States Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Once in office, President Clinton quickly set up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, headed by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda

1993 explains it, was in highschool then military, didn't give a damn about healthcare

 

[soul creator]

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

https://berniesanders.com/medicareforall/

for reference

 

[sangreal]

"you're not in the white house yet"

really, bernie?

 

[pigeon]

It's fair, but I don't think we need to go slow on this issue.

I mean, I think we have pretty clear experimental evidence that we do need to go slow. A Democratic supermajority in the House and Senate wasn't sufficient to get universal health care. We tried! It didn't work!

OMG.

Thats litteraly not what Bernie will do.

Expand on this!

 

[Ashodin]

Clinton gonna sink herself with this price tag and "it's just not realistic" comments here.

Sounds like to young people "No you can't be a musician it doesn't make enough money".

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

this is an exact repeat of last time

so bernie bout to wreck wisconsin?

 

[A Human Becoming]

Closing loopholes is an easy phrase for any politician to say without explaining what those loopholes are.

 

[And_Gignac]

Austerity Queen!

 

[RPGCrazied]

Can Bernie just be the VP and get this over with? Then Obama can come out, they all rally together and get the white house.

 

[Nickle]

lol

 

[Makai]

that was meant to be a laugh line

 

[zoozilla]

Wow, that was a shitty remark by Bernie.

Hmm, he's sounding too angry too early. Pace yourself, Bernie!

 

[Brinbe]

The sad part is that she's the realist and would be a much better POTUS (imo) but that sort of talk is hard to spark enthusiasm around compared to Bernie.

 

[Ragnarsson]

So uncalled for, Bernie...

 

[Raxus]

the more she spins on healthcare, the more I side with Bernie

I really WANT universal healthcare. I just don't believe it would ever pass congress like lots of Bernie's plans.

 

[SURGEdude]

Hillary came off as patronizing against young people on that.

 

[AnotherNils]

So why is more government automatically seen as a bad thing here? Expanding government here would also mean more stable jobs for a lot of people. Why is that never highlighted as opposed to the supposed decrease in liberty etc?

Because the government can't do anything right, and government jobs are inferior to private sector jobs because public servants are sucking on the teet of government too.

 

[Dixon's Jet]

Not in the white house yet.

I liked that.

 

[RustyNails]

Did they boo or go ooooo

 

[UltimaPooh]

Everything was thrown at her when she tried to take health care. She was sued because the GOP said that the First Lady didn't have the right to do what she was doing. She was crucified in the media. Big Pharma and Insurance companies went after with a passion. The GOP in Congress destroyed her. It wasn't pretty. She didn't win, but she got CHIPS out of it, eventually.

You either die a hero or live.long enough to see yourself become the villian.

 

[Red]

Poor show, Bernie.

That was like a line straight out of the Bern Your Enthusiasm skit.

 

[SSPssp]

Hillary is doing well tonight! Bernie's about the same.

 

[ivysaur12]

The Republican talking points on unemployment are a bad look.