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Democratic Primary Debate VI: Raid Time 2/11 9PM EST

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ivysaur12

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Debbie is basically doing a poor man's version of Hillary's stump speech in six months, except she keeps stumbling through it.
 
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CrazedProfessional said:
Bernie is a self described socialist. Americans hate the word. The superdelegates are set in stone and there has been no movement towards Bernie in SC. Its a really bleak scenario for his campaign and the only reason he keeps going is because of dellusions of starting a political revolution.
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Fine. Why these reports of the Clinton campaign scrambling to change strategies then? Are her people more ignorant than GAF posters who don't work in politics? Or are the reports wrong?
 
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B-Dubs

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Battersea Power Station said:
Sooo... I'm curious. There's this narrative now that the Clinton campaign is in what is described as anywhere from a scramble to a panic.

Guys like (not picking on them but the names just stick in my mind) Amir0x and B-Dubs on GAF are constantly pointing out that anyone who understands politics knows that Sanders has no chance, and if you think he does you're ignorant.

So what's the deal? Is the Clinton campaign actually worried or is that just a myth? If they are, are they uneducated on US politics? Have Sanders' chances in the southeast changed at all?
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I don't think anyone's ignorant, I don't think Ami does either, I just think some people are letting their hopes cloud their judgement. I totally get that, it just gets old having the same argument again and again with people constantly ignoring points that don't favor their side of the argument.

We aren't going to be able to tell if Sanders is making significant inroads with minority voters until the next series of polls. Clinton's camp is probably a little shook after New Hampshire and Iowa not going exactly as they had hoped, but at the same time Bernie's camp is panicked that their outreach hasn't been working.

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Fine. Why these reports of the Clinton campaign scrambling to change strategies then? Are her people more ignorant than GAF posters who don't work in politics? Or are the reports wrong?
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Iowa was tighter than they wanted and New Hampshire wasn't as tight as they had hoped. She does have some real issues to sort out, like simplifying her message, but right now she's still the favorite.
 
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Battersea Power Station said:
Fine. Why these reports of the Clinton campaign scrambling to change strategies then? Are her people more ignorant than GAF posters who don't work in politics? Or are the reports wrong?
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I don't think it's entirely that. A lot of it is people in DC who sees a loss in New Hampshire and overreact. Remember, people don't always think rationally. I don't think we'll see a huge shakeup from the Clinton campaign like in 2008. There might be more people brought in in terms of her online presence, for messaging, which probably would be a good thing for her campaign.
 
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ivysaur12 said:
I don't think it's entirely that. A lot of it is people in DC who sees a loss in New Hampshire and overreact. Remember, people don't always think rationally. I don't think we'll see a huge shakeup from the Clinton campaign like in 2008. There might be more people brought in in terms of her online presence, for messaging, which probably would be a good thing for her campaign.
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She got slammed fairly hard yesterday in terms of online presence with #imnotkididngmaddie hashtag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-for-a-dollar-after-New-Hampshire-vote.html
 
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That statement from Weaver just now on CNN does not inspire inspiration that he is off the broken record path. He needs to get his message out and it's the core of his campaign, but he's down anywhere from 20-30+% in S. Carolina. He needs to expand his message.
 
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besada

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Before the debate proper starts, I just wanted to let everyone know I'm here and enjoying the calm and civil tone of the thread.
 
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BoboBrazil said:
He's seen as a lone wolf in the senate. He has basically no friends in government, has a horrible temper, and isn't really known for his negotation skills. He keeps talking how his revolution will be from new people getting into politics and coming out to vote, but we haven't seen that. Democratic voter turnout is down from 2008 while republican turnout is at all time highs. How is he going to accomplish any of the things that are his main talking points? He's not the needed leader of a political revolution even though that is how his campaign is trying to frame him.
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And went from having literally no chance last year to tying one primary and dominating the other. Yes, it's a propaganda video, but consider the fact that it points out where he started from and where he is now. If he's "unelectable" and "unable to get anything done," while the "electable" candidate is forcing a major shakeup then I'd love some of whatever it is you're drinking.
 
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Arkeband

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OP could have had Trump Titan, pushing all other contenders off the stage.

I'm going to be thinking about this all debate.
 
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ivysaur12

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Nils said:
She got slammed fairly hard yesterday in terms of online presence with #imnotkididngmaddie hashtag.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-for-a-dollar-after-New-Hampshire-vote.html
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Eh, that's kind of petty stuff that doesn't matter. It's more about online outreach, not doing Abuela stuff... She will never be able to get here with Bernie in that regard, but it shouldn't be hurting her. That and having a cohesive campaign message are probably two areas in which her campaign does need a shake up. I do think you'll see her campaign manager, take more of an activ she will never be able to get heat with Bernie in that regard, but it shouldn't be hurting her. That and having a cohesive campaign message are probably two areas in which her campaign does need a shake up.
 
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An interesting thing to watch is, will Hillary's push back after the lose be enough to overcome Sanders. Though, I don't think she should go into it seeming too aggressive or desperate. She needs to take it in a cool way, almost like no-drama Obama did when she was trying to regain her footing against him.

Sanders is a pretty good debater though, since he goes from the heart. Ultimately I hope the two just advance the principles they believe in, and the voters will be able to decide.
 
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The Librarian said:
Wrong!

1)There were only two nominees this time. In '08, there were eight.
2) Overall turnout -- as in, the amount of people voting for all the candidates -- was down from '08.
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And each candidate had his/her own turnout operation. Totally different kind of election. Direct comparison has limited value.
 
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