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Denis Dyack in 1up yours. NeoGAF is "hurting society," justifies having it shut down
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CassidyIzABeast
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he's the guardian terminator of message boardsdollartaco said:
Callo Merlose
Banned
Imagine Kojima or Miyamoto acting like this?
:lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Oh God. And you guys wonder why Ubi sends producers with PR skills to promote their games?
Despite how the final game turns out, this game will forever be remembered for Denis' incessant whining about everything - his publisher, the media, online forums, his engine. He's let his ego become bigger than the game itself, and it's a disservice to everyone else on the project.
I'm still buying Too Human, but sorry Denis, MGS should've put a gag order on you two years ago.
Despite how the final game turns out, this game will forever be remembered for Denis' incessant whining about everything - his publisher, the media, online forums, his engine. He's let his ego become bigger than the game itself, and it's a disservice to everyone else on the project.
I'm still buying Too Human, but sorry Denis, MGS should've put a gag order on you two years ago.
MickeyPhree
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Dyack is a piece of shit. Any chance I had of playing Too Human is now gone. Fuck him and his shitty company.
gofreak said:
I think it gets better when you realize all he's saying is that internet people are douchebags.
People here are making it seem like he was just saying random words that made no sense, but he was just citing a bunch of books and defining terms that were really unnecessary in the context of the discussion.
Denis is right. Neogaf is a nightmare, a cesspool of immaturity in all forms, and full of toe-deep knee-jerkness.
But, Neogaf IS entertaining in its own way, although not a place for gaming-science and news with a healthy perspective.
So it's a good thing it's narrow, and only shared among a relatively small group of elitists. The massive majority of game-buyers don't care about this place anyway, so Denis is safe no matter how much he riles Neogaf up. And that is something he knows but Neogaf forgets.
But, Neogaf IS entertaining in its own way, although not a place for gaming-science and news with a healthy perspective.
So it's a good thing it's narrow, and only shared among a relatively small group of elitists. The massive majority of game-buyers don't care about this place anyway, so Denis is safe no matter how much he riles Neogaf up. And that is something he knows but Neogaf forgets.
Crayon
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I listened to it.
:O
So this was calculated, Denis?
LIAR.
"I decided to make that thread the instant I knew I was going on the show"
Liar liar pants on fire!
What a manipulative little worm.
And if there's anything I can add that hasn't been said it's that the staff did exactly what I would have done. If Denis where sitting there undoing himself like that I would not have interefered except to has him clarify the stupidest parts. Except for Shane. But I got the impression that Shane was actually stringing Denis along rather than yessing him. Idk... does he have that in him?
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So this was calculated, Denis?
LIAR.
"I decided to make that thread the instant I knew I was going on the show"
Liar liar pants on fire!
What a manipulative little worm.
And if there's anything I can add that hasn't been said it's that the staff did exactly what I would have done. If Denis where sitting there undoing himself like that I would not have interefered except to has him clarify the stupidest parts. Except for Shane. But I got the impression that Shane was actually stringing Denis along rather than yessing him. Idk... does he have that in him?
CoG said:
Well OBVIOUSLY, i've noted my opinions on that part..but put your self in his shoes. Its easy to say what you've said, since you haven't experienced what he has.
You do something thats been 10 years in the making and then come back with smiles and flowers after being flamed and called stuff.
but yes, he shouldn't bother..just saying.
RubberJohnny
Banned
So the first half hour of this is Dyack talking endlessly, but can easily be dropped into a few simple talking points. He is the king of needless waffle.
1. People on the Internet are dicks.
2. This leads to a low level of discourse on forums.
3. This is bad, forums should be like ethical businesses.
4. If they fail at becoming like this, they should be shut down.
He fails to understand that this problem has been attempted to be solved numerous times, across hundreds and thousands of sites with zero results. If he thinks he is likely to succeed, then he's delusional.
He also completely fails to recognise that forum anonymity, or relative anonymity has numerous benefits, and fails to say what benefit shutting down forums would have, as if everyone would simply permanently Log Off rather than find a new home.
1. People on the Internet are dicks.
2. This leads to a low level of discourse on forums.
3. This is bad, forums should be like ethical businesses.
4. If they fail at becoming like this, they should be shut down.
He fails to understand that this problem has been attempted to be solved numerous times, across hundreds and thousands of sites with zero results. If he thinks he is likely to succeed, then he's delusional.
He also completely fails to recognise that forum anonymity, or relative anonymity has numerous benefits, and fails to say what benefit shutting down forums would have, as if everyone would simply permanently Log Off rather than find a new home.
Crayon said:
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You're only proving his point by padding this thread with these disgraceful ad hominem attacks. As if we all know everything about Denis Dyack from listening to him on a bunch of podcasts. Yeah he must be terrible to work with because you listened to him on a podcast and now you know that!
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Verboten said:
Miyamato would just laugh.
Wow, the contrast at TeamXbox is amazing.
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=525458&page=160
Talk about two sides of the story.
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=525458&page=160
Talk about two sides of the story.
I'm sorry, his argument on the podcast is that of a crazy person. He wraps a very simple concepts behind buzz words and buzz concepts (his basic argument is gabriel's internet fuckwad theory), he constantly gets facts incorrect (star wars kid and Jeff Bell), and he is constantly contradicting himself (he says forums are meaningless and then the next sentence he says the forums are a major influence).
Shane behaves like a skinless cat that sits in Dyack's lap and purrs whenever Dyack says something retarded. I'm completely disappointed he was behave in this manor; he has done this every time Dyack has appeared on the podcast.
I wish John or Shawn or anybody was there. There are times that I believe "keeping Shane in check" is kind of unnecessary, but this was kind of unlistenable.
I wish John or Shawn or anybody was there. There are times that I believe "keeping Shane in check" is kind of unnecessary, but this was kind of unlistenable.
Callo Merlose
Banned
Kojima would parody us in his next game by having a hidden neogaf sexdoll or something.industrian said:
Visualante
Member
I don't have Photoshop so I can't photoshop Dyack's face in there (feel free to add)
It reminds me of Se7en because a lot of angry people in this thread are proving Dyack's point.
Doc Evils said:
Visualante
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/i=0mjtfkuf 500
Malik said:
fair enough but too human seems like generic action adventure # xxxx. Almost everyone in the podcast talking about their play experience didn't seem to have a good time with it. Garnett's comments were gold. CRIMSON SEAS. :lol :lol and John Davidson's comment were hilarious, the disdain and displeasure is palpable in his voice.
If it weren't for Dyack's constant ranting about this/that ... would this title had gotten as much attention as is has?
actually, John was the one who had the go first by saying that we won't see TH2. but Garnett's followup quip was/is GOLD. :lol
Tieno
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Yep, that's how I felt. It was very hard to follow his points and then you realize "oh, he's talking about that". He overcomplicates things and when he references people he doesn't talk about substance but their importance and why I should be amazed without going into depth. He's all over the place and hard to follow.tak said:
It's like the exact opposite of when Shawn talks about a book he just read on gfw.
I have zero tolerance for pretentious dicks who, just by having read a few books, start making grandiose statements about the state of society. Please respect those who spent 10 years getting their Ph.Ds, while you only spent 2 weeks reading loose literature on broad reaching concepts.
As for Too Human and Denis Dyrack FUCK YOU. I'm going to be that precise cesspit of human negativity you've so callously labeled an entire forum for. As Warren Buffet said, "No matter how talented a manager is, if we don't like his personality, we won't work with him." Ditto for you, acting elitist, condemning free speech, condemning criticisms that is a pillar of evolution (oh crap, you didn't know that Dyrack?! Which brand of philosophy did you study?), and afraid to evolve due to said criticisms is a hallmark of a coward and a bully using the mask of pretentious intellectual capacity to incite controversy.
Here, I'd say it again, from a liberal who values free speech. F-U-C-K Y-O-U. I'm officially placing sanctions on all of your products until a formal apology is made, with admissions to your insidious attempts at censorship being acknowledged.
As for Too Human and Denis Dyrack FUCK YOU. I'm going to be that precise cesspit of human negativity you've so callously labeled an entire forum for. As Warren Buffet said, "No matter how talented a manager is, if we don't like his personality, we won't work with him." Ditto for you, acting elitist, condemning free speech, condemning criticisms that is a pillar of evolution (oh crap, you didn't know that Dyrack?! Which brand of philosophy did you study?), and afraid to evolve due to said criticisms is a hallmark of a coward and a bully using the mask of pretentious intellectual capacity to incite controversy.
Here, I'd say it again, from a liberal who values free speech. F-U-C-K Y-O-U. I'm officially placing sanctions on all of your products until a formal apology is made, with admissions to your insidious attempts at censorship being acknowledged.
Technosteve
Banned
trolling on my neogaf? No Way! I think Dennis is giving neogaf too much credit for being a "mature" forum. Why doesn't he do the same stunt on Gamefaqs?
Even after all of this I still wouldn't be opposed to trying out the game. It is, after all, a group effort and not the work of one single, slightly deranged individual. I will say though, for the good of the company, someone at SK needs to put Dyack on a freaking leash. Head honcho or not.
At some point the dude is bound to drive the company to the ground. And then blame someone else for it.
The world must know! :O
At some point the dude is bound to drive the company to the ground. And then blame someone else for it.
Kintaro said:
The world must know! :O
Visualante
Member
Mature != InfluentialTechnosteve said:
Crayon
Member
probune said:
I'm pretty sure I just gave the guy an hour of my uninterrupted attention and he used it poorly to represent himself as a personality and a game designer.
For one hour he pointed fingers contradicted himself, attempted to re-write history with the social experiment, dragged out his heroic victory over Kittonwy yet again and yet again with the same transparent faked regret....
Yeah he sounds like a manipulative little worm to me. Look at the way he's dealing with these problems... nothing but a stream of excuses, buck-passing, tantrums re-styled into experiments all in the guise of "just doing the right thing even if it's against his interest" and all for what?? Because apparently he'd rather go thru all of this rather than just take responsibility for his words and actions?
You can gtfo if you think I'm proving his point. His point was way the fuck over your head. It had nothing to do with the good of the internet or society it was about him wanting to get what he wants at the expense of my right to make a post in my own words and yours to follow it with some bullshit about his point?
Forest thru the trees, man. See it.
Always-honest
Banned
too humiliating
So basically Denis you're saying that neogaf needs to be moderated better? I can respect and understand that, but to go and say that we shouldn't be posting on message boards is ridiculous. And do you really believe that we take everything we read on here as fact? We know what we're coming in for when we sign up here, a message board is a collection of opinions so we can expect that.
CoG said:
I don't want to be too patronising here, but..it's reasonably easy to be blinded/impressed by pseudo-intellectual ramblings and book citations when you don't dig too deeply beyond the surface. When you actually cut through the incoherence and list his arguments, they're trivially easy to pick apart (as has been done here already, for the most part)...same with folks who get up on soapboxes with speakerphones on street corners, except most people really don't have the patience and couldn't be arsed to put up with people like that (usually).
He could have made the same points in 5 minutes. I'll even take his only real point of merit and make it in one sentence:
Knowing the likelihood that some members may be overawed by moderators and administrators, GAF moderators should be more careful of their influence on threads with regard to topic renaming.
There. End of.
After listening to the podcast, I'm really disappointed in the 1UP crew. Shawn would have been great on this show. I feel like the crew got a little intimidated by Denis' verbosity and got a little gun shy. I'm really looking forward to Shawn's blog post on this matter. Also, why didn't anyone ask Denis to explain his hypocrisy on multiple points ranging for invasion of privacy (he rightfully pans a GAF mod for revealing the identity of a poster but then goes on to admit tracing down Kittonwy and locating where he lives?) to "Letting the game speak for itself" which is exactly what he isn't doing by all these posts/rants etc.
He does raise valid points, but at the same time, the timing of his comments in relation to the date of release of his game, along with the recent release of previews of near final build make me feel that Denis Dyack isn't interested in the well-being of the gaming community, devs and fans included, but actually just acting as a hype man for his product. Its sad that the game will never get judged on its own merits as I think every review from here on out will be influenced, or at least mention, this whole mess.
He does raise valid points, but at the same time, the timing of his comments in relation to the date of release of his game, along with the recent release of previews of near final build make me feel that Denis Dyack isn't interested in the well-being of the gaming community, devs and fans included, but actually just acting as a hype man for his product. Its sad that the game will never get judged on its own merits as I think every review from here on out will be influenced, or at least mention, this whole mess.
CoG said:
Teamxbox lol. They have no credibility, and love opportunities to defend Microsoft/the 360. These are the same guys that reported that the retail version of NG2 didn't suffer from the load time and frame rate issues the review copy did (lie!), spread all that fud about a Sony PS3 hardware fault that they tried to make appear on the same scale as the RroD (lie!) and were pretty much the only one's to give Too Human an overly positive preview. They've pretty much always been 360 bias, and it shows, not only in their site name, but with how they run their site too.
So this response of theirs does not surprise me in the slightest.
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