What do you have to lose by putting all your effort into getting your body into a shape you want?
Depression
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Because I have horrible genes so weight loss isn't in my future no matter what I do. I hate my life and my life hates me and will do anything to sabotage anything I do. Best thing to do is too put myself out of this misery. Even now I am furious I didn't kill myself in high school. It doesn't get better at all.
Genes won't put you to exercise either. Is just a matter of effort and you know what you have to do. Stop being so lazy. You are alive, you still have the chance to do something.
I have no chances at all. I want to die in my sleep and be done with this life
I think about all the people who committed suicide and are better off than existing in this world. I wish I had the courage to do it tonight. Gym doesn't help therapy doesn't help when I a total loser in life. Why can't I just jump in front of a train and end it.
This is stupid. Nobody's ever meant to be born, nor die nor do fucking anything. Do you really think there's some bored guy pressing buttons and saying "Yeah, this guy deserves this, this one deserves that, this one doesn't deserve anything"? No, that's not true and you know it (and if you didn't, now you do).
And saying that this is a life you don't want is stupid too. Nobody ever wanted their lives either, it's not like they can think about it when they are just some sperm cells waiting to meet an ovum.
What about your death affecting the lives of other people? Don't you give a damn about them? Don't you give a damn about us? We care about you. I care about you, or else I wouldn't be writing this reply. Are you gonna shit on all we've been telling you, on the hands we tried to give you? Are you really that selfish?
I know you're feeling terribly bad, I really do, but c'mon, gives a hand here. There's only so much we can do for you, especially when we can't talk to you face to face. Don't give up on life, just like we haven't given up on you. You can do it Neo, you can, but only if you try. No one else is going to do it for you, and which path you take from now on is only your choice. I have told you what I think it's best for you, but only you know if that's true. If you truly believe suicide is the solution, I guess nothing I tell you will change that. I won't give up, but I don't like the feeling that all we're saying to you is useless, that you don't listen to any of the advice you're being given.
Think about it. There's only one life. Only one. Either kill yourself now, keep wasting it (this is what I'm doing, though hopefully I'll change that soon) or try to change. The choice is yours. But know that killing yourself will accomplish nothing, and no one will benefit from it; not you, not us, not your family. Suicide is no such thing as a solution, so I beg you to reconsider your ideas about life, about what you want to do with yours. I believe in you, Neo. It's time you start believing in yourself too. Don't make me be wrong, please.
Did a doctor tell you that you could never lose weight or is this a conclusion you came to yourself?
I'm not sure what you want to hear from us, jubei. You clearly want people to know you're in pain; otherwise you wouldn't be posting here or in other threads about this. Are you looking for someone to tell you it's okay to off yourself? I think you know better than to expect that from this forum.
opticalmace
Member
Ugh, those days where you get knocked down a few pegs. No fun.
I see some struggling with weight loss and self image here and would like to share a bit about my journey to become a fitter and healthier person. I have been overweight even
obese almost my whole life. Probably since I was about five. I never really understood proper nutrition. There is a history of obesity in my family. Many members of my rather
large extended family are obese or overweight. My sister is obese. Her fiancee is obese. One of my brothers is overweight he used to be obese but lost a lot of weight like
me. My father is overweight. It has been a very difficult time for me. It has affected my self esteem and self worth. I have many times felt hopeless. Felt like I could never
be in good shape. I can though. I will. You can too.
It's not even about exercise. With the right diet you can lose weight and never have to go to the gym. Cut carbs. Eat the right foods. Know what you are eating. Know the amount
of calories. Get rid of the junk. I would recommend working out though. It will improve your weight loss.
When I first began I educated myself as best I could. I went to many different sites and forums gathering knowledge. I made it a goal. This is something worthwhile I want to do in my life. This is something that I needed to do for myself. I started to cut carbs and went walking five days out of the week. I cut the amount of food I ate. I was smarter about what I ate. This simple regiment was very successful for me. Now I have a more complicated exercise routine and the weight loss has been a great success for me. I am still overweight but I am so proud of what I have accomplished so far. My confidence has sky rocketed. I really do feel so much better. It's going to take time to get in the shape I want. Maybe even a couple years but I know it will be worth it. Has it cured my depression? No, of course not. Not that I expected it to. However, it has helped me become a healthier, happier person. It's part of a long self improvement journey that I hope can get me to the place I want to be. If I can do it so can you.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
This is a great site which can help you track your weight loss and count calories. You would be surprised how many calories are in the food you eat. This has really helped me a lot.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344814
The weight loss thread. A great resource of knowledge. It has been incredibly inspirational for me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520425
The fitness thread. For more advanced exercise regiments.
I hope this has been helpful for somebody out there. Always stay positive. Never give up.
obese almost my whole life. Probably since I was about five. I never really understood proper nutrition. There is a history of obesity in my family. Many members of my rather
large extended family are obese or overweight. My sister is obese. Her fiancee is obese. One of my brothers is overweight he used to be obese but lost a lot of weight like
me. My father is overweight. It has been a very difficult time for me. It has affected my self esteem and self worth. I have many times felt hopeless. Felt like I could never
be in good shape. I can though. I will. You can too.
It's not even about exercise. With the right diet you can lose weight and never have to go to the gym. Cut carbs. Eat the right foods. Know what you are eating. Know the amount
of calories. Get rid of the junk. I would recommend working out though. It will improve your weight loss.
When I first began I educated myself as best I could. I went to many different sites and forums gathering knowledge. I made it a goal. This is something worthwhile I want to do in my life. This is something that I needed to do for myself. I started to cut carbs and went walking five days out of the week. I cut the amount of food I ate. I was smarter about what I ate. This simple regiment was very successful for me. Now I have a more complicated exercise routine and the weight loss has been a great success for me. I am still overweight but I am so proud of what I have accomplished so far. My confidence has sky rocketed. I really do feel so much better. It's going to take time to get in the shape I want. Maybe even a couple years but I know it will be worth it. Has it cured my depression? No, of course not. Not that I expected it to. However, it has helped me become a healthier, happier person. It's part of a long self improvement journey that I hope can get me to the place I want to be. If I can do it so can you.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
This is a great site which can help you track your weight loss and count calories. You would be surprised how many calories are in the food you eat. This has really helped me a lot.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344814
The weight loss thread. A great resource of knowledge. It has been incredibly inspirational for me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520425
The fitness thread. For more advanced exercise regiments.
I hope this has been helpful for somebody out there. Always stay positive. Never give up.
Yeah, I had that happen today. I was looking for volunteer work in the local area, and I actually found something that worked for my interests. I guess it seems like the traditional help organization, you know - help people with substance abuse, impoverished children, the like. Not to sound like I'm getting joy from sorrow here but I thought I struck gold, I found something here and now that means something to me. However, just as my 'luck' goes, there had to be a hurdle; I shit you not, one of the requirements of working for this group was to be a Christian. Regardless of the importance of helping others, apparently I am not "on the same page" or have the same "goals" in mind by being agnostic/pantheist because pimping the word of Christ doesn't come into my catalog when it comes to helping those in need. It really shot me down, because I feel it's always the stupid fucking things that get in the way of what I really want. It makes me wonder if I'll ever find it, or I'll be stuck flipping burgers. I'll surely take my life before that happens, I promise you.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
god damn im lonely
But you're not alone. Do you want to talk to me?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
thank you, but i should be sleeping anyways
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I'll be ur friend :3
Bel Marduk
Banned
You are not alone. I am here with you. Though we're far apart, you're always in my heart.
More thread stuff!
I think I've given the wrong impression in some recent posts that we want a thread where only positive things are allowed. I don't want that in ANY thread. From the draft of our new OP:
"It is hard to deal with mental illness. It will get difficult and frustrating, and that's a realistic expectation, but we want to help people heal and feel safe to examine their struggles and feel less alone."
It's going to get dark in here, more so than in most threads. It's going to be hard. But we can work to make sure that something good comes out of it. I guess I used the word "positive" before, when what I really mean is helpful, or constructive, or open-minded. If you say "I will never be happy," there's really nothing to reply to. It takes several more questions to get to something anyone can work with. What if, instead, in that post, you had said, "I feel like I'll never be happy. Here are the things that are standing in my way..." If you want people to take the energy to respond to you, it's only fair that you'd put a little bit of work into explaining what's wrong. Even if you don't want advice or help, and just want to get it out there, there are ways that add to the discussion and ways that just stop it.
It's very, very easy to say "let people post what they want. Anything is welcome in this community," and I mostly agree. It's hard enough to join and post and be that vulnerable without people telling you you did it wrong.
But here's the problem - what we say in here is not without consequences. We actively WANT what we say to have the power to change people. And make no mistake about it - there are posts in here that have helped people as well as posts that have hurt people. The posts that have been harmful have rarely been the troll posts or the angry responses, actually. It's the posts that serve as little black holes, sucking up all of the energy of the community. There's nothing worse than thinking of something to say to try and help and having your words twisted and used to help someone wallow in their misery.
We're at something of a low point as a community. I talk to a lot of people who now avoid the thread and probably aren't coming back. Our most helpful members are burned out. I'm guilty of hanging way back because I didn't feel like there was anything I could do to get things back on track (working on it now, though!). I'm tired and depressed, too! And, while people have been very kind about whatever it is I've tried to do in here (at the very least, I care about this community more than I can adequately express), I've gotten a lot of blame for things recently, too. I understand that people lash out when they're hurt, so I try no to take it personally, but I think of this thread as my baby. It genuinely hurts to read how awful and toxic it is (especially if the criticisms have some basis in truth), how people have left, how people refuse to read it, how I've abandoned people, how I'm a bad friend, how I'm not helping the thread (or even hurting it). It fucking wears on me after a bit, you know?
It's already hard because we have members of this community who do not want to be associated with it (this is the debate about stigma attached to what we name our community, basically). I try to thank people for their help in my posts, but more than half the time people ask me not to, or ask me not to never use their names in here. I completely understand that, but it bums me out! How do you build a community around something people don't want to be identified with?
Sorry for just whining, but I really wan to make things better. I care way too much. And I don't want to be like "I'm carrying this entire thread on my shoulders!" but I do definitely feel like I can't use this community to actively work through my own problems any more. The scale is tipped so heavily towards people complaining about the thread, posting completely unhelpful things, venting their problems (which is all fine in principle - it just needs to be balanced with help, hope, inspiration, information) that I don't feel right airing my own problems. I did not feel like I could really help things along either, so I had a long string of just saying, "go to chat."
More complaining - sorry. See how easy it is to just go completely negative? Heh.
Anyway, I'm glad we have so much interest in what the new thread should be like! I'm actually excited about working in the thread again. But we still need to find a way to pull the whole thing back into line a bit. In 2.5 pages (50 posts per page), we have 22 posts from a single member, all basically saying "I give up." Every post got a response; several got lengthy responses. But at a time when we've actually had a lot of good discussion about what this community is and what it can and should be, we still have 22 posts (inadvertently) working to halt the discussion. After 100s of responses, going back months, the posts have not changed. I don't mean to call anybody out or make them feel unwelcome - this person is still a valued member of our community. But if you won't TRY to post just a little bit differently (you don't have to FEEL differently - we're not professionals, there's no guarantee that a video game forum can fix your mental health
) after 100s of replies, many of them exceedingly thoughtful, empathetic, and insightful, then the seemingly non-existent benefit this person gets from the thread is outweighed by the harm that is being done to others. If it's going to be "fuck this thread," "this is hopeless," and people's posts getting blown past, there's no reason to have another thread, let alone this one.
Rant OVER.
I think I've given the wrong impression in some recent posts that we want a thread where only positive things are allowed. I don't want that in ANY thread. From the draft of our new OP:
"It is hard to deal with mental illness. It will get difficult and frustrating, and that's a realistic expectation, but we want to help people heal and feel safe to examine their struggles and feel less alone."
It's going to get dark in here, more so than in most threads. It's going to be hard. But we can work to make sure that something good comes out of it. I guess I used the word "positive" before, when what I really mean is helpful, or constructive, or open-minded. If you say "I will never be happy," there's really nothing to reply to. It takes several more questions to get to something anyone can work with. What if, instead, in that post, you had said, "I feel like I'll never be happy. Here are the things that are standing in my way..." If you want people to take the energy to respond to you, it's only fair that you'd put a little bit of work into explaining what's wrong. Even if you don't want advice or help, and just want to get it out there, there are ways that add to the discussion and ways that just stop it.
It's very, very easy to say "let people post what they want. Anything is welcome in this community," and I mostly agree. It's hard enough to join and post and be that vulnerable without people telling you you did it wrong.
But here's the problem - what we say in here is not without consequences. We actively WANT what we say to have the power to change people. And make no mistake about it - there are posts in here that have helped people as well as posts that have hurt people. The posts that have been harmful have rarely been the troll posts or the angry responses, actually. It's the posts that serve as little black holes, sucking up all of the energy of the community. There's nothing worse than thinking of something to say to try and help and having your words twisted and used to help someone wallow in their misery.
We're at something of a low point as a community. I talk to a lot of people who now avoid the thread and probably aren't coming back. Our most helpful members are burned out. I'm guilty of hanging way back because I didn't feel like there was anything I could do to get things back on track (working on it now, though!). I'm tired and depressed, too! And, while people have been very kind about whatever it is I've tried to do in here (at the very least, I care about this community more than I can adequately express), I've gotten a lot of blame for things recently, too. I understand that people lash out when they're hurt, so I try no to take it personally, but I think of this thread as my baby. It genuinely hurts to read how awful and toxic it is (especially if the criticisms have some basis in truth), how people have left, how people refuse to read it, how I've abandoned people, how I'm a bad friend, how I'm not helping the thread (or even hurting it). It fucking wears on me after a bit, you know?
It's already hard because we have members of this community who do not want to be associated with it (this is the debate about stigma attached to what we name our community, basically). I try to thank people for their help in my posts, but more than half the time people ask me not to, or ask me not to never use their names in here. I completely understand that, but it bums me out! How do you build a community around something people don't want to be identified with?
Sorry for just whining, but I really wan to make things better. I care way too much. And I don't want to be like "I'm carrying this entire thread on my shoulders!" but I do definitely feel like I can't use this community to actively work through my own problems any more. The scale is tipped so heavily towards people complaining about the thread, posting completely unhelpful things, venting their problems (which is all fine in principle - it just needs to be balanced with help, hope, inspiration, information) that I don't feel right airing my own problems. I did not feel like I could really help things along either, so I had a long string of just saying, "go to chat."
More complaining - sorry. See how easy it is to just go completely negative? Heh.
Anyway, I'm glad we have so much interest in what the new thread should be like! I'm actually excited about working in the thread again. But we still need to find a way to pull the whole thing back into line a bit. In 2.5 pages (50 posts per page), we have 22 posts from a single member, all basically saying "I give up." Every post got a response; several got lengthy responses. But at a time when we've actually had a lot of good discussion about what this community is and what it can and should be, we still have 22 posts (inadvertently) working to halt the discussion. After 100s of responses, going back months, the posts have not changed. I don't mean to call anybody out or make them feel unwelcome - this person is still a valued member of our community. But if you won't TRY to post just a little bit differently (you don't have to FEEL differently - we're not professionals, there's no guarantee that a video game forum can fix your mental health
) after 100s of replies, many of them exceedingly thoughtful, empathetic, and insightful, then the seemingly non-existent benefit this person gets from the thread is outweighed by the harm that is being done to others. If it's going to be "fuck this thread," "this is hopeless," and people's posts getting blown past, there's no reason to have another thread, let alone this one.Rant OVER.
Sidewinder
Member
You have my vote.
Prax
Member
And CREATE YOUR OWN STORY~~! *___*
I really like the sentiment of that quote!
In a similar vein, but nerdier and cutier:
I love cheesy things.
Yes!
Aww. Can you make one with Eevee and Vaporeon (aka the best Pokemon ever)?And CREATE YOUR OWN STORY~~! *___*
I really like the sentiment of that quote!
In a similar vein, but nerdier and cutier:
I love cheesy things.
Yes!
Bags, what you said made me sad. I don't like you blaming yourself for the state the thread has been in lately. Nor do I like to think that this is getting out of hand, and we should close our little community. Can't there be another way?
Prax
Member
I don't have a clever quote thought up for the eveelutions though!
(and besides that, I didn't make that one xD)
I don't think bagels will actually close the community. That's just pent up frustration. But he does want to start a fresh thread for purposes of getting an updated OP that has instant resources.
Didn't mean to make you sad, dude! I don't really blame myself, but I do care a lot about making it better. Sorry to get all shitty, but I got a lot of bagels hate for a while there! I just want to be loved!
I think we're getting on a better tack, now. This thread will only be closed to make way for a new, better thread, with a more relevant OP, so no worries.
Oh OK then, I can breathe normally once again.
You're a great drawer, I'm sure you could do an amazing Vaporeon! ^^
So we're walking back in order to have some space to run forward and jump farther. I like that. Let's make a thread we're all proud of, shall we?
About that...we're going to need you to stop posting, yeah? We need more room for cool people. No hard feelings!
winkity
(you know i <3 u)
I want to know too
I need that to. I spend FAR too much time just browsing GAF, procrastinating, wasting time on the internet , playing stupid flash games I hate, generally avoiding and running away from my feelings and problems when I should be productive. Just leads to shame, negative thoughts, loss of sleep, depression and makes my problems bigger.
Sidewinder
Member
I'll have to edge my blade first for my sword to be of any use.
Ride your bike or drive to a coffe shop/library. Don't bring your smart phone or laptop. Bring a book or sheets of paper to write whatever.
I don't know if it would get you motivated to work, but now at least you're free from the Internet and its digital claws.
You have my vote, and sword.
Bagels, you have my beard.
At school or at work? Not sure where you are in terms of age. If it's work, set yourself a date on when you want to get that next position or job and do everything you can to achieve that.
Collete
Member
And my Celestial Brush to write corny quotes.
...Now if I can just get a good idea in my head to actually have motivation for...That would be great.
And thank you for the compliment! Sometimes I feel no one reads any of my cheesy quotes lol.
It adds great mystery if I never say who the quotes are done by...In my opinion anyways.
And that Magikarp quote is cute! I like it.
This will be my post in 3 weeks when my finals come around.
Except I haven't really cared about school or grades this semester. Just want to pass and put this 16 weeks behind me
A thread about depression will obviously have a lot of content about people being miserable. If people don't reply that's because of a few reasons, in no particular order:
1) You can't fully describe the issues someone has in one post so usually you can't give definitive advice. This means replying isn't super easy.
2)Usually you might be able to give some ideas and ask for more detailed information. But then it's up to the person asking for help to be more forthcoming. Mental illness isn't easy to talk about so people often hold back.
3) The fact that the initial replies were limited or not definitive means the person asking for help is more likely to hold back. It's hard enough to make even one post about your mental illness anyway, so it's unsurprising if going from one post to a conversation doesn't succeed everytime.
4) Often when people post, they post their issue but they don't specifically ask for help. If someone says "I feel tired" it's hard to respond or it may seem like the person just wants to vent. If people actually ask for help or ask a question they are more likely to get responses. You don't ask you might not get.
5) When you ask someone needing help for more information you don't want to be invasive, if someone has mental illness you don't want them feeling pressured to talk about their issues. They should feel safe and free. This consideration of not asking... you don't ask you might not get.
6) If you reply to someone asking for help, but they in turn don't post a response, you don't know if your reply helped or even if your reply was even read. The lack of feedback makes it harder to guage your own posts and makes it hard to increase the quality/quantity of the posts you'll make in future.
7) Posters with ideas on how to help are outnumbered by people needing help. Even the posters that offer help usually need help themselves.
8) The people here aren't highly experienced licensed medical practitioners, so you have be careful in what help you offer.
9) Help you offer is read by the person you help, but also by other forum members with mental illnesses, so again you need to be careful in what you post. What applies to one person may not apply to others.
10) Forum posts lack information that is communicated face to face(facial expression, vocal tone, body language, timing etc). This increases the guesswork required which makes it harder to construct an accurate response.
11) People have lives which get in the way of posting.
Wow, that's more than a few reasons and there's probably more. That said, there is a lot of value in the thread. Simply typing up your issues can help, posting those for others to read can help more, getting replies can help even more.
The only thing I can say to anyone here is, the more open you are, the more and better help you can get. Giving more detail actually reduces the burden on people that would help you since it makes it easier for them to construct a good response. The following three elements will dramatically increase the chances of getting good responses.
1) Description of your issues(the more detail the better).
2) What actions are you taking or planning to take? Or if you can't take actions what difficulties are you having.
3) Things you'd like help/advise on. Ask questions. Even open ended questions are great. Doesn't matter if they seem obvious or are vague:
Does anyone have ideas on how to get a better sleep routine?
Does anyone have experience of Prozac?
Does anyone have experience of going to your doctor?
Does anyone know how to find a therapist specialising in bedwetting?
Does anyone know if it's possible to get better control your thoughts?
Even if you make a huge post, just one question like any of the above is enough as that gives a starting point for a reply. If you really wanna know I would start a reply to the above questions as:
Yes, you can...
No, my mental disorders were because of life events so I managed to find "non-biological" means to successfully start beating it...
Not for mental health...
Yes... Oh shit, my secrets out
Yes...
People scan titles and usually see the first word or two. Mental Health is wishy washy and many people may ignore it. Something more impactful at the start would be better. Maybe something like:
Depression & Mental Health |OT| We won't judge you if you don't judge us
heidern said:
one thing i'd point out related to this is that you can search the thread by username (search thread in top corner next to thread tools, advanced search, then fill in username in the box) which shows you every post a person has made in here in chronological order. it's useful if you're thinking about replying to someone but want to know more about their "origin story" to help inform your response.
Thanks for writing that! I completely agree with your reasons why posts get missed. and I like this part:
Can I steal that for the new thread?
I like your thread title suggestion, too. This has turned out to be kind of a big deal for people. I do want the thread title to include both "Mental Health" and "Depression." I like how you've written it, but I'm sure people will continue to debate it. I'm less sure about the "We won't judge you if you don't judge us" tag. It sounds a little defensive.
I'm hard at work on the three parts of the new OP - things about the thread (what the thread is about, chat, contacts, some guidelines, etc), a brief guide to mental health topics (definitions, diagnosis, treatments, etc.), and a guide to resources. I'm grabbing some creative commons images to make some banner stuff, but my artistic skills are limited. If you want to help me there, I'll love you forever.
Thing is heidern, this isn't a typical thread trying to "catch" a random OT surfer's eye with a catch first word. I mean, optimally, nobody would ever post here (because everybody would be healthy). We'll be here and people with issues who are looking for us will find us, whether depression is the first or the fourth word in the title.
Is Wellbutrin known to cause dry eyes? They've been extremely dry and sore and strained for the past few days. Also, got checked out by a doctor today who told me I have a concussion (after I hit my head two weeks ago). My head hurts, my eyes hurt which makes my head hurt even more, and then I can't concentrate. I want to give up, really.
Sometimes I just wish life was easier and I could just get up and move far away to be on my own. To never have to deal with anyone or their negative influence ever again, like some of my family. Even thinking back, most friends I've ever had have turned out to be negative influences and were more hassle than what they were with. I hate most people, in my current mind set I'd be happy to be a cut off recluse on my own. I'm fed up with life.
Dry eyes are not terribly common, but it happens with Wellbutrin. Try some eye drops.
Wow - a concusion. Sorry to hear that, Windam. Take it easy for a little bit, okay?
Yeah, feel free. Make sure to post the new OP here first so everyone can have a look at it and make suggestions.
The title is pretty much irrelevent to posters already in here. Whatever title as long as you know it you'd find it. However the thread title is also an advertisement to anyone browsing the forum. You want to 'catch' people with mental health issues. I'd say you also want to catch random surfers too as it's good to make people more informed. As an advertisement you want it to be as effective as possible. In that case word order matters. It's a fact that users notice the first two word the most, and upon further research titles should be short and direct. In fact when I looked at the OT again I noticed the short thread titles seemed to carry more authority whereas the long ones just seemed 'spammy'. So my official recommendation for the title is:
Depression & Mental Health |OT|
The word depression has impact(everyone feels unhappy sometimes), it also alludes to mental health issues(which most people including people with mental health issues have limited knowledge of). It being followed with "& Mental Health" confirms the initial reaction and a user with a mental health issue will likely see it as a thread they want to check out. Even random surfers might think(This seems official and interesting, I wanna check this out).
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=541440
It's ugly, and super long, but the new thread is up. Any help making it prettier would be much appreciated.
I'm also still putting together the resources post, so send along anything you'd like in there.
I'll ask to have this thread locked in a little while. For now, you can complain about the new thread OP here and I can try to fix it.
It's ugly, and super long, but the new thread is up. Any help making it prettier would be much appreciated.
I'm also still putting together the resources post, so send along anything you'd like in there.
I'll ask to have this thread locked in a little while. For now, you can complain about the new thread OP here and I can try to fix it.
I agree with this. Sadly, the new thread is already up, and I don't think the title can be changed.
Yes, she could draw something, she's an amazing artist!
Thread title debate could have gone on forever. This is a compromise that should come closest to satisfying everyone, while providing no one with 100% satisfaction.
I put some banners in the new OT. Pushed them MSPaint skills to the max!
(I agree that we need real art)
Sorry to hear that bro. It's usually a bad idea to try to communicate when one is inebriated. Maybe you could try again, this time sober? Parents are usually more forgiving then we think.
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