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Probably won't help many people but say I'm out at a bar or something. I'm totally cool with just listening most of the time. Or sometimes the whole night. It's nice to have that social connection with friends and not feeling the pressure to say stuff of be a personality.

The only problem that comes with it is that you get a bit of a Silent Bob motif going on, when you do say something people take note a little more than it's worth. I don't find that as draining but I appreciate social anxiety can have a lot of different causes or whatever.

I can feel comfortable like that with my friends at home, because they know I open more as a one to one guy than a group conversationalist. But it's difficult with new people, especially when it's the primary form of getting to know someone for most people. So the times that I've been to the pub with my peers, it feels like I've invited myself, and yet I'm not contributing much, or if anything. So I feel the whole thing as a tense and undesirable experience, which probably makes my body language look aloof or whatever.

Also, pretty much all of them live in the same student block, while I live in a diffrerent flat with Dutch nationals rather than exchange students. So there is a lot more oppurtuntiy for them to getter closer to each other/invite each other to go to events and stuff. I am not living reclusive, so I am not going to waste my time overseas not exploring the city and all that, it's just slightly alienating that I have to do it mostly alone.
 
Never posted in this thread. Have more of an anxiety problem, but I also have mild depression. Currently working through things with my friends, family, and myself obviously. Things seem to be improving, and I definitely feel like I'm moving in the right direction. I talked to my Dr. about it over the summer, and he put me on Fluoxetine on a trial run (I go back for a follow up next week actually). I've been taking Buspar ever since my GF encouraged me to talk to my Dr about my anxiety during my first physical in like forever that she also encouraged me to go to last year.

Anyways I'm hardly as bad as some people in this thread, but I definitely feel for everyone going through this. I can't imagine if I had really sever depression. Just getting over my anxiety is a bitch in and of itself.

Stay strong gafers!

PS: I'm extremely greatful on how much of a great support group my friends, family, and especially my GF is through all of this!
 
Been feeling really lost lately.

I have a pretty good life by most accounts--decent job, g/f, nice apartment, etc. But fuck if I'm not bored out of my mind. I feel like I've lost the person I worked so hard to become in college. The routine of my life is just wearing on me day by day.

I'm also angry ALL the time. I snap over the smallest things. A lot of it is probably intense frustration built up from my job, but the rest--well, I dunno.

I have crazy, terrible dreams most nights. You know that horrible dream you get when you think you've forgotten about a class you enrolled in, and now it's the last day/week of the semester and you're going to fail? Not only do I get that all the time, but I also get an incredibly twisted, fuck up version of it: I dream that I suddenly remember I MURDERED a person and that the cops are on their way to arrest me. I always wake up freaked out, and it takes me about a minute to realize it was just a dream.

It's weird, because I used to be depressed as fuck over having no g/f, no job prospects, etc. Now those problems are sorted out but I'm not really any happier. Just a new set of problems.
 
Been feeling really lost lately.

I have a pretty good life by most accounts--decent job, g/f, nice apartment, etc. But fuck if I'm not bored out of my mind. I feel like I've lost the person I worked so hard to become in college. The routine of my life is just wearing on me day by day.

I'm also angry ALL the time. I snap over the smallest things. A lot of it is probably intense frustration built up from my job, but the rest--well, I dunno.

I have crazy, terrible dreams most nights. You know that horrible dream you get when you think you've forgotten about a class you enrolled in, and now it's the last day/week of the semester and you're going to fail? Not only do I get that all the time, but I also get an incredibly twisted, fuck up version of it: I dream that I suddenly remember I MURDERED a person and that the cops are on their way to arrest me. I always wake up freaked out, and it takes me about a minute to realize it was just a dream.

It's weird, because I used to be depressed as fuck over having no g/f, no job prospects, etc. Now those problems are sorted out but I'm not really any happier. Just a new set of problems.
I think everyone gets that college dream. I still do. = (

Routine is an awful thing...more awful, I suspect, than most people ever realize. Do anything you can to break out it without sacrificing the existing things that do make you happy...and do some introspection on which of the things you listed actually do improve your level of happiness.
 
Damn, after reading a bunch of negative reviews about the hellish discontinuation effects of Effexor I'm frightened as shit to take the stuff. I'm on my third day of it now and have had no side effects as of yet, but maybe I should stop now and ask my doctor for something else, holy shit I'm scared now. Anyone else ever tried Effexor?

Update: Called the doc and let her know Effexor was not right for me. Will start Wellbutrin tomorrow along with Xanax for anxiety attack/ panic mode.
 
Man, I had just about the worst conversation about my emotional problems that I probably ever could have hoped to have. It pretty much boiled down to a combination of "it's all in your head so you have 100% control over the way you feel", "you're selfish/starving children in Africa so your problems are invalid", and "this is a test from God and you need to trust him more". I know that I have some character flaws, but I'm getting pretty demoralized by the fact that I can only seem to get criticism in the guise of advice. I sure as hell don't want to be coddled, but I'd at least like a little recognition from the people in my life that I have a real problem, that I am actively trying to combat it, and that I'm not just faking "real" illness for pity and to avoid responsibility.

Really, how do you explain being cognizant that you have behavioral issues while simultaneously feeling that you're at the mercy of these thoughts and impulses? To someone without these issues I can imagine that it seems to be a very simple issue of "state of mind" or "mind over matter" or whatnot, so now I honestly don't know whether or not I'm just bad at articulating why simply being "conscious" that I have a problem isn't enough for me to be able to solve it or if everyone is right and I'm just making excuses. I'm not saying the following to bait people into responding with "no, that's not true!", but I honestly wonder sometimes now if I really am just a terrible person who enjoys wallowing in my own sadness more than living like a normal person. Surely what everyone in my life thinks of me can't be wrong.

Trust me, I can relate. I haven't told a soul how I really feel for fear of this. Not even Gaf *gasp*.
 
Yesterday I got a laid off letter notice. My boss explained what was happening. I flat out cried in front of her. I couldn't hold it in. After that my boss said "is this your first job?" I told her it wasn't, but it's the first job i really cared about. Sept 28 is my last day. This was the best job I ever had. I was a group therapist for the mentally ill at a prison. The program i am in, will not get funding past this month.

The guys always looked forward to the group sessions, and I looked forward to making them smile. A lot of them hold so much guilt and pain... for a few hours a week could help them cope. I felt like I was making a difference.

I feel embarassed going on unemployment and haven't told anyone that I got laid off (except for my fiance, my 1 year old daughter, and now Gaf) im trying my best to keep positive. Keep happy in front of others. I try reading about gaming to occupy my mind. I can't afford anything now but i love hearing about what's coming out next. I've never been laid off before. This feels horrible.
 
Yesterday I got a laid off letter notice. My boss explained what was happening. I flat out cried in front of her. I couldn't hold it in. After that my boss said "is this your first job?" I told her it wasn't, but it's the first job i really cared about. Sept 28 is my last day. This was the best job I ever had. I was a group therapist for the mentally ill at a prison. The program i am in, will not get funding past this month.

The guys always looked forward to the group sessions, and I looked forward to making them smile. A lot of them hold so much guilt and pain... for a few hours a week could help them cope. I felt like I was making a difference.

I feel embarassed going on unemployment and haven't told anyone that I got laid off (except for my fiance, my 1 year old daughter, and now Gaf) im trying my best to keep positive. Keep happy in front of others. I try reading about gaming to occupy my mind. I can't afford anything now but i love hearing about what's coming out next. I've never been laid off before. This feels horrible.

Sorry to hear that man, sounds like you really loved it and it does sound like you were doing great things there. =( Wish you the best of luck, hopefully you can find a similar job.

Too crazy. :/

Nothing is too crazy for the depression thread. No one here is going to judge.
 
Eh... I dunno, of all the things that are wrong with me, that feels like the weirdest one. I dunno if it's even something I want to talk to my therapist about.
 
Is taking stuff for Anxiety worth it due to all the side effects and chance to fuck up your brain chemistry even more? I'm thinking about going to see somebody for it. I'm bored all the time and unmotivated and my head feels like mush and ten pounds heavier than it should. Plus, when I smoke weed I get severe anxiety and panic attacks occasionally.
 
Eh... I dunno, of all the things that are wrong with me, that feels like the weirdest one. I dunno if it's even something I want to talk to my therapist about.

It needs to be processed eventually. Not saying right now, but at some point we need to be able to live without regret and fear. I know I'm still fighting some old shit, but I'm doing better each year :)
 
It needs to be processed eventually. Not saying right now, but at some point we need to be able to live without regret and fear. I know I'm still fighting some old shit, but I'm doing better each year :)

Haha, I just don't know if it's something I'll ever be able to process. It's just weird and crazy. It's like... I'm 25. If I'm still afraid of and ashamed of everything to do with such topics, seems like it's just here to stay.
 
Haha, I just don't know if it's something I'll ever be able to process. It's just weird and crazy. It's like... I'm 25. If I'm still afraid of and ashamed of everything to do with such topics, seems like it's just here to stay.

You know, I know a few people who have deep emotional traumas and the recovery is very slow. And I'm not painting an unrealistic picture here, where you can totally forget and forgive and be "normal" just like everyone else. Some things we carry to our grave, but still we can reach a point where those things don't put us down every day and overshadow our every move and decision.

I have overcome confidence issues and low self-esteem myself. But that doesn't mean I don't remember those times and they still surface from time to time. But not in a way that I can't function. All the shit in the past is part of me forever and has shaped whatever I now am. If you would've told me five years ago that I could live in a relationship and be happy, I would've shrugged it off as empty consoling.
 
You know, I know a few people who have deep emotional traumas and the recovery is very slow. And I'm not painting an unrealistic picture here, where you can totally forget and forgive and be "normal" just like everyone else. Some things we carry to our grave, but still we can reach a point where those things don't put us down every day and overshadow our every move and decision.

I have overcome confidence issues and low self-esteem myself. But that doesn't mean I don't remember those times and they still surface from time to time. But not in a way that I can't function. All the shit in the past is part of me forever and has shaped whatever I now am. If you would've told me five years ago that I could live in a relationship and be happy, I would've shrugged it off as empty consoling.

It's stupid of me, though, because I don't even have "deep emotional trauma". I'm just a psycho. :(

I just feel I can never ever be trusting of someone other than my friends. Like... I can be trusting of people as friends. Making friends. That's fine. But a boyfriend? Nope. I don't think I can ever trust guys who would be into me IRL, because they're just out to hurt me.
 
It's stupid of me, though, because I don't even have "deep emotional trauma". I'm just a psycho. :(

I just feel I can never ever be trusting of someone other than my friends. Like... I can be trusting of people as friends. Making friends. That's fine. But a boyfriend? Nope. I don't think I can ever trust guys who would be into me IRL, because they're just out to hurt me.
I'm curious as to whether or not you believe the bolded above logically, or simply emotionally.
 
Hi Depression-GAF... Uh... I have a problem.

I don't post here, I've never posted here, but I have a problem.

It's less about me, but about my girlfriend. She's always had every low self-esteem and used to be on antidepressants, but she stopped taking them a few months before we met (about 3 years ago) because she was fine, and initially, when we were together, it WAS fine. Recently however (about.. the past year?), she's started to become more and more depressed. She gets angry nearly every day, to the point where she proclaims that she wishes everyone would just die and she hates people and her friends and her family and she wishes she'd just get hit by a bus.

Trust me, I've tried to convince her to get help. She's promised me several times she'd call and make an appointment, but she never does. "I'm feeling so much better now!" and then a few days later, another angry attack over something minor, like her brother eating one of her cookies, or her mom forgetting to buy her groceries. (She's 20, I'm 22, btw). It's gotten to the point where she's asked me what I'd do if she told me she'd try to kill herself. Now I know she's not doing it RIGHT NOW, but I'm scared that it's only a matter of time.

I've TRIED convincing her to get help, and I feel like if she doesn't want to get help and wants to kill herself, she also CLEARLY doesn't want to be with me. Now I can't and don't want to break up with someone suicidal, even though it would probably be better for my own good, but a) I love her and b) I'm a good person and I want to help her.

I just don't know what to do Gaf. I feel hopeless. I've tried my hardest over the past months to be there for her whenever she needs me, I AM constantly there for her. I feel like she's emotionally abusing me, because she's CONSTANTLY saying how she's lonely and wants me to hang out with her, and I do and have NO hangout time with other people, pretty much.

I need help. I hope you guys have some. For her, for me, for us, anything is appreciated.



TL;DR: Girlfriend of 3 years has become mentally unstable for about a year, to the point where she's borderline suicidal. I feel like I'm getting emotionally abused, but I love her and want to be there for her. I need help. We need help.


Thank you GAF, and I hope you guys can help.



EDIT: I'd like to add that I'm pretty much her opposite. I'm an optimist by the book, I believe everything will turn out fine regardless of the circumstances and the last time I was angry was like 8 years ago in High School. She's the perfect pessimist, saying there's no point in anything and everyone's selfish and she hates people. Now again, all described so far is pretty much only during her "angry" stages, which happen every few days. Otherwise it's like she knows about these phases, but she disregards them.
 
I'm curious as to whether or not you believe the bolded above logically, or simply emotionally.

You can't separate the two often. And you really need to be in contact with a person with said problems if you want to understand what they go through. You cannot heal people by just the power of logic! (yeah amazing isn't it)

It's stupid of me, though, because I don't even have "deep emotional trauma". I'm just a psycho. :(

You have been clearly mistreated and betrayed by people in your mind. That alone can be traumatic. Don't dismiss these things and further blame yourself :)
 
Not to lay this on you, or anything, but this is a little angering. You've essentially just labeled every single male on Earth, close to 3.5 billion people, as self-obsessed exploitative narcissists.

To believe this emotionally, because men have hurt you in the past, is perfectly understandable. But you need to mature and understand that while a lot of men (read: people) are jerks, many are just looking for a healthy, mature relationship. If you really believe that men are all like that, I just don't know what to say.
 
Not to lay this on you, or anything, but this is a little angering. You've essentially just labeled every single male on Earth, close to 3.5 billion people, as self-obsessed exploitative narcissists.

To believe this emotionally, because men have hurt you in the past, is perfectly understandable. But you need to mature and understand that while a lot of men (read: people) are jerks, many are just looking for a healthy, mature relationship. If you really believe that we're all like that, I just don't know what to say.

Cut that shit now, you have no idea what you are talking about man. Abused people don't just magically fell good about people if their sole experience of them is bad. It's a slow healing process. You are not helping one bit with those comments I can assure you.

TL;DR: Girlfriend of 3 years has become mentally unstable for about a year, to the point where she's borderline suicidal. I feel like I'm getting emotionally abused, but I love her and want to be there for her. I need help. We need help.

You've done the right things already. I can't offer any concrete advice because we are talking about another person here who can't reply, but I'd recommend just trying to get her to a professional. Some of the things you wrote sound kinda like she desperately needs attention, but there could be more to it. If she becomes unable to cope on herself and is in danger of hurting someone (including herself), then you need to convince her or her parents that she needs profession help.
 
:(

I dunno. I can be friends with guys. But the second it's anything other than that? They're generally horrible to me. :(

I don't hate men at all. And most are nice guys. As friends. But from any experience I've had in my life, the second men see me in a different light, whether it's my fault or theirs for whatever reason, they become horrible to me. They say horrible things to me, hurt me, hate me.

:( I don't know. But I know I can't be in a relationship because my hang ups are too much. I'd feel terrible anyway, putting that on someone.
 
Cut that shit now, you have no idea what you are talking about man. Abused people don't just magically fell good about people if their sole experience of them is bad. It's a slow healing process. You are not helping one bit with those comments I can assure you.
I'm not asking her to magically feel good about men. I'm asking her to apply a little bit of common sense to the situation.

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I dunno. I can be friends with guys. But the second it's anything other than that? They're generally horrible to me. :(

I don't hate men at all. And most are nice guys. As friends. But from any experience I've had in my life, the second men see me in a different light, whether it's my fault or theirs for whatever reason, they become horrible to me. They say horrible things to me, hurt me, hate me.

:( I don't know. But I know I can't be in a relationship because my hang ups are too much. I'd feel terrible anyway, putting that on someone.
Men do not go from nice people to creepy horrible people because they like a girl. If they do that shit, then they weren't nice to begin with.

Talk about it with your therapist. Don't know why you'd withhold it from him/her.
 
I'm not asking her to magically feel good about men. I'm asking her to apply a little bit of common sense to the situation.

Yes I understand your viewpoint because I shared it once. But confidence is not gained by applying common sense to your situation.
 
Yes I understand your viewpoint because I shared it once. But confidence is not gained by applying common sense to your situation.
(sigh) Once again, I am not asking her to feel better or "heal herself" or gain confidence or whatever. But you're not going to be able to recover if you *actually* believe that all men looking for a relationship are hostile scumbags. That belief needs to be nixed, so she can eventually get through her negative emotional barriers.

In any case, I don't like talking about people like they aren't *right there*, so Leeness, good luck. Regardless of what I or zoukka say, I think we would both agree that discussing it with your therapist is definitely a good idea.
 
Haha...yeah. I just don't know if I ever even want to. It might just be something best left alone. It's just too overwhelming. Alone and happy is perfectly okay too :)
 
Haha...yeah. I just don't know if I ever even want to. It might just be something best left alone. It's just too overwhelming. Alone and happy is perfectly okay too :)
I wouldn't run away from this if I were you. Even if you manage to "forget about it", your problem will most likely resurface again and hit you hard.
 
Long post incoming, I guess. Sorry if its a bother to read, English isn't my first language.

So, most of my life, starting with puberty, I've been going up and down, up and down. Either I feel like I'm in heaven, so happy, or that I'm in hell, so depressed. There is no middle way. However, the thing that seems to keep me in check is a good relationship with someone I consider a soulmate. I had a girlfriend for 9 years, that relationship started when I was 16, but she cheated on me multiple times towards the end.

After that I got really depressed, its almost like I feel like life's not worth, I'm non-existent when I get out of a relationship. Like I need another person to prove I am alive and worth it. After some weeks of sobbing I try to fill in the blank feeling with a lot of partying. I did that for 2 years, partying hard, using a lot of alcohol and drugs.

Then I met another girl who became my girlfriend. We had two intense years with lots of ups and downs, break-ups and getting back together. When we get back together shit's intense, its like we're magnets that explode when coming together. Then after a few months to 'normal' starts sinking in and we start to irritate each other, leading to arguments and the inavitable break-up. Few weeks ago that happened again, leaving me in a pretty sad state.

During the relationship I was in therapy and got to know a lot about me, after about half a year I quit. Now I've been back and the therapist is 99% sure I'm borderline. It explains A LOT of my behaviour and feelings. Diagnosing that I have this feels both good and bad. Bad because he says it will never completely go away and my relationships will almost always turn bad after a while. But good because it explains a lot and its OK to be this way, he says. Its the way I am and I don't have to make excuses for it. On the upside people that have this seem to be very creative and also experience the feelings in life to its fullest, be it great or terrible feelings.

So right now I'm pretty down, but I'm trying to get enough distraction, going out and also trying to start dating again. I'm managing to go to work thankfully, I can't not turn up for a month even though I would like to do that when I feel like this.

Also, I've learned to accept that the intense relationship with this girl I had for two years wasn't all my fault. She's also very passive agressive and sometimes she tried to play on my emotions, threaten me emotionally. Like getting in an argument, then threatening to go home, then when she's home calling me to get me to pick her up again to 'prove' I love her that much. Stuff like that, constantly. We truly fucked each other up.

So that's my story, had to get it off my chest and this place is as good as any.

Short version: been more or less diagnosed with borderline. not proud of it, but trying to accept it, as its the only way to start recognise the symptons and work on them.
 
It's gotten to the point where she's asked me what I'd do if she told me she'd try to kill herself.

She's the perfect pessimist, saying there's no point in anything and everyone's selfish and she hates people.

I've tried my hardest over the past months to be there for her whenever she needs me, I AM constantly there for her. I feel like she's emotionally abusing me, because she's CONSTANTLY saying how she's lonely and wants me to hang out with her, and I do and have NO hangout time with other people, pretty much.

This is an abusive relationship. Maybe it's bad luck and down to her having a mental illness but that still doesn't make it right. Isolation is one of the hallmarks of abusive relationships and it puts you at risk since you lose your reference to normality and she and her unstable character becomes your reference point. You need to break out of the isolation immediately.

It's clear from just the above that you're having to put up with a lot of bullshit from her and you shouldn't have to. She's taking advantage of your good nature and emotionally blackmailing you, it's wrong, you need to stand up to her. The phrase sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind also comes to mind. Indulging her isn't necessarily the right thing to do. It's like an dangerously obese person relying on you to keep feeding then the delicious double cheeseburgers. Yeah you're giving them what they want, but you're not doing what's right for them.

Trust me, I've tried to convince her to get help. She's promised me several times she'd call and make an appointment, but she never does. "I'm feeling so much better now!" and then a few days later, another angry attack over something minor

Carrot and stick. Offer her rewards for getting help. If she doesn't, punish her. Small punishment first, and then increase it. Also when convincing her, step out of the boyfriend/girlfriend frame and speak with a voice of authority. In fact, you could just come straight with it and say "if you don't get help this relationship is over". Then the choice is entirely hers.

You don't need to give this ultimatum in a petulant angry way, you'd say it with sadness and authority. She might disagree, but fundamentally it's up to you to set your standards for the relationship. If she isn't prepared to fulfil her responsibility to you then she has no right to be in a relationship with you.

I've TRIED convincing her to get help, and I feel like if she doesn't want to get help and wants to kill herself, she also CLEARLY doesn't want to be with me. Now I can't and don't want to break up with someone suicidal, even though it would probably be better for my own good, but a) I love her and b) I'm a good person and I want to help her.

Ultimately, she's not your responsibility. Yeah she's your gf and you have some responsibility to her, but there's only so much you can do and you also bear a responsibility to yourself. You're not trained to deal with this, you can do your best, persevere for a while but at some point if you have to admit defeat and give up on the relationship it doesn't reflect badly on you. As long as you make a good faith effort that's all you can do.
 
Is taking stuff for Anxiety worth it due to all the side effects and chance to fuck up your brain chemistry even more? I'm thinking about going to see somebody for it. I'm bored all the time and unmotivated and my head feels like mush and ten pounds heavier than it should. Plus, when I smoke weed I get severe anxiety and panic attacks occasionally.

First off, you need to stop smoking weed.

Some people can smoke weed for years and suffer little from it, while others, like you and I can't. I had a great old time smoking weed for a while, but eventually it was like my brain couldn't handle it any longer, and every time I did it I was paranoid as all hell. The only option was to just give it up forever.

However, getting through your anxiety may be a bigger process than just quitting weed. The thing that finally got me over anxiety was a book by Dr Claire Weekes. It's called "Hope and Help for your Nerves". This lady was a genius when it came to anxiety, and once I read that book I felt like anxiety could no longer harm me because I understood it so well. You can find it very cheap on Amazon.

Also, if you'd like to your welcome to personal message me about anxiety related stuff anytime.
 
After that I got really depressed, its almost like I feel like life's not worth, I'm non-existent when I get out of a relationship. Like I need another person to prove I am alive and worth it. After some weeks of sobbing I try to fill in the blank feeling with a lot of partying. I did that for 2 years, partying hard, using a lot of alcohol and drugs.

Then I met another girl who became my girlfriend...

The problem is that you feel worthless. You get a gf, you party and distract yourself, but none of that changes the truth which is that you feel worthless. It might hide it but it doesn't change it. You are just avoiding the problem. These things are not helping. If you feel worthless and then enter a relationship, of course it's going to fail. You need to change. You need to stop feeling worthless. That's the change you need to work on instilling.
 
I had too much weed one time and had a bad trip
I don't think I ever completely recovered from it, and its possibly because i was predisposed toward psychosis. If you have any kind of mental illness don't smoke weed, seriously.
 
It's stupid of me, though, because I don't even have "deep emotional trauma". I'm just a psycho. :(

I just feel I can never ever be trusting of someone other than my friends. Like... I can be trusting of people as friends. Making friends. That's fine. But a boyfriend? Nope. I don't think I can ever trust guys who would be into me IRL, because they're just out to hurt me.

I feel the same way as you, except Im a dude.

Its hard for me to fully trust people outside of my immediate family. And its not really from anything someone has done to me or betrayed me with, its just how I observed the human nature in general.
 
I wouldn't run away from this if I were you. Even if you manage to "forget about it", your problem will most likely resurface again and hit you hard.

I'm hoping to get to a point in my life where I'm happy with everything else so relationships just don't matter :)
 
The bolded statement I feel is something I go through in depression as well.
I'm scared some day that I will realize; I'm just a crummy person that just wants to stay in her own sadness and my boyfriend, friends and family will realize this and abandon me.
But again, it's your issues talking, not you who you really are.

I think the people saying that to you just don't get how a person that has behavioral issues have to deal with problems.
You are under behavioral issues + reality issues and a combination of the two just makes things much worse.

For instance, a recent example, I had an issue with something I said to someone.
Not going to detail what I said, however, what I said to them there could have been real consequences.
Me having some anxiety issues, I blew this up in my head much worse and made me panic the whole day.
A person who doesn't understand will just tell me to get over it when that's just deeply insulting since it was a genuine issue to me.
If they did understand, probably question why it made me nervous and get to the root cause of it.
There's a big difference if a person understands or not; it greatly can affect how feedback can be.


Is the person who's telling you all those statements your sister again?
I hope I'm not trying to coddle you as you said, but I think one of the toughest thing with family and friends is trying to get the other party to realize you have issues.
It's not as easy sometimes, even if you tell them face front.
They just won't accept it sometimes.
For instance, I know with my family and friends it takes a ton of effort to get them to realize that I have issues and to this day, my mother does not believe I'm depressed even *after* she talked to my previous therapist.
Always they think I'm not depressed and I'm just being a brat.

What's been helping from me with experience, is slowly telling my mother the truth of my issues and letting her see the reality of my emotions on the issue. So far I've been starting off small and telling her issues about my depression, but nothing as severe (may not apply to you, but for example telling her I'm uncomfortable/nervous about a test or a person; but nothing life altering). It's been working for now and I'm hoping she's starting to realize this stuff is out of my control for the most part. Point is I think it's just exposure but in small amounts at a time to make someone else realize the reality.

I'm sorry I'm not giving good advice. However I do hope something helps.

Thanks for the really thoughtful response, and I'm sorry that it took several days to get back to you.

Fortunately my period of questioning my own character was fairly short as I have just enough control over my own thoughts again to realize that that much self-loathing is only going to hurt me further. After having some time to think, I understand how others have developed a negative opinion of me--even if I profess to mean well, if my intentions never translate to action, can I really expect others to think that I care about them?

My problem is that I'm basically in survival mode right now--most of the time, I only have the energy to perform the basic actions necessary for life on a daily basis. I absolutely loathe being so hopeless and fatigued that I can't be more active in the lives of the people that I care about, and if I believed that I had more control over my impulses than I do, I would absolutely be pushing myself harder. I don't want people's expectations of me to be lessened just because I may not always be able to meet those expectations, but I'd at least like the freedom to feel how I feel without being told that I'm not "allowed" to even feel that way just because my basic needs are met.

It is actually my sister saying these things again, and the difficult thing about that is that she's the only person I can confide in at all. My friends are generally all well-adjusted and can't identify and my family are largely simple and can't grasp the intricacies of sensitive mental health issues. I have to hide the worst of my emotional issues from my parents because they're both very ill and I couldn't dare add to their burden. My sister knows a lot about psychology, but she also has some ideas regarding personal "toughness", the mixing of religion and medicine, etc. that cause us not to see eye to eye on this issue. Ultimately I simply may have to decide to come clean on the fact that I can't accept some of her advice, but that's going to be a challenge in and of itself when her response to any defense I make of my own character is that I'm "egotistical" or "can't take criticism".

For now I'm trying to force myself back on a socially-acceptable sleeping schedule for the first time in years to see if that helps me at all. It's a horribly difficult thing when you have nothing to do all day. If I could just find employment, I think that it would go a long way toward making me feel "human" again, but after two years of fruitless searching for even the most humble opportunity it's really demoralizing.
 
Hi Depression-GAF... Uh... I have a problem.

I don't post here, I've never posted here, but I have a problem.

It's less about me, but about my girlfriend. She's always had every low self-esteem and used to be on antidepressants, but she stopped taking them a few months before we met (about 3 years ago) because she was fine, and initially, when we were together, it WAS fine. Recently however (about.. the past year?), she's started to become more and more depressed. She gets angry nearly every day, to the point where she proclaims that she wishes everyone would just die and she hates people and her friends and her family and she wishes she'd just get hit by a bus.

Trust me, I've tried to convince her to get help. She's promised me several times she'd call and make an appointment, but she never does. "I'm feeling so much better now!" and then a few days later, another angry attack over something minor, like her brother eating one of her cookies, or her mom forgetting to buy her groceries. (She's 20, I'm 22, btw). It's gotten to the point where she's asked me what I'd do if she told me she'd try to kill herself. Now I know she's not doing it RIGHT NOW, but I'm scared that it's only a matter of time.

I've TRIED convincing her to get help, and I feel like if she doesn't want to get help and wants to kill herself, she also CLEARLY doesn't want to be with me. Now I can't and don't want to break up with someone suicidal, even though it would probably be better for my own good, but a) I love her and b) I'm a good person and I want to help her.

I just don't know what to do Gaf. I feel hopeless. I've tried my hardest over the past months to be there for her whenever she needs me, I AM constantly there for her. I feel like she's emotionally abusing me, because she's CONSTANTLY saying how she's lonely and wants me to hang out with her, and I do and have NO hangout time with other people, pretty much.

I need help. I hope you guys have some. For her, for me, for us, anything is appreciated.



TL;DR: Girlfriend of 3 years has become mentally unstable for about a year, to the point where she's borderline suicidal. I feel like I'm getting emotionally abused, but I love her and want to be there for her. I need help. We need help.


Thank you GAF, and I hope you guys can help.



EDIT: I'd like to add that I'm pretty much her opposite. I'm an optimist by the book, I believe everything will turn out fine regardless of the circumstances and the last time I was angry was like 8 years ago in High School. She's the perfect pessimist, saying there's no point in anything and everyone's selfish and she hates people. Now again, all described so far is pretty much only during her "angry" stages, which happen every few days. Otherwise it's like she knows about these phases, but she disregards them.

Man, I always wonder what it is like for my SO when I am going through severe bouts. One thing I always tell them is that MY MOOD IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. All you can do is assist her getting help, medication worked wonders for me. But understand that even the most wonderful boyfriend will not be able to take all the pain away. I wish you the best, and thanks for giving me a glimpse on the other side.
 
The problem is that you feel worthless. You get a gf, you party and distract yourself, but none of that changes the truth which is that you feel worthless. It might hide it but it doesn't change it. You are just avoiding the problem. These things are not helping. If you feel worthless and then enter a relationship, of course it's going to fail. You need to change. You need to stop feeling worthless. That's the change you need to work on instilling.

Oh I know man. Problem with the borderline is that I never feel complete or at ease with myself until I have another relationship, at which point (after half a year of trust issues) I become too clingy. Its a vicious circle that Im planning to break this time.
 
Oh I know man. Problem with the borderline is that I never feel complete or at ease with myself until I have another relationship, at which point (after half a year of trust issues) I become too clingy. Its a vicious circle that Im planning to break this time.

You need to feel complete and at ease with yourself BEFORE you have another relationship. Before you even think about having another relationship. What's your plan of action to try to achieve that?
 
Thanks for the really thoughtful response, and I'm sorry that it took several days to get back to you.

Fortunately my period of questioning my own character was fairly short as I have just enough control over my own thoughts again to realize that that much self-loathing is only going to hurt me further. After having some time to think, I understand how others have developed a negative opinion of me--even if I profess to mean well, if my intentions never translate to action, can I really expect others to think that I care about them?

My problem is that I'm basically in survival mode right now--most of the time, I only have the energy to perform the basic actions necessary for life on a daily basis. I absolutely loathe being so hopeless and fatigued that I can't be more active in the lives of the people that I care about, and if I believed that I had more control over my impulses than I do, I would absolutely be pushing myself harder. I don't want people's expectations of me to be lessened just because I may not always be able to meet those expectations, but I'd at least like the freedom to feel how I feel without being told that I'm not "allowed" to even feel that way just because my basic needs are met.

It is actually my sister saying these things again, and the difficult thing about that is that she's the only person I can confide in at all. My friends are generally all well-adjusted and can't identify and my family are largely simple and can't grasp the intricacies of sensitive mental health issues. I have to hide the worst of my emotional issues from my parents because they're both very ill and I couldn't dare add to their burden. My sister knows a lot about psychology, but she also has some ideas regarding personal "toughness", the mixing of religion and medicine, etc. that cause us not to see eye to eye on this issue. Ultimately I simply may have to decide to come clean on the fact that I can't accept some of her advice, but that's going to be a challenge in and of itself when her response to any defense I make of my own character is that I'm "egotistical" or "can't take criticism".

For now I'm trying to force myself back on a socially-acceptable sleeping schedule for the first time in years to see if that helps me at all. It's a horribly difficult thing when you have nothing to do all day. If I could just find employment, I think that it would go a long way toward making me feel "human" again, but after two years of fruitless searching for even the most humble opportunity it's really demoralizing.

It's fine don't worry about it. I can understand things can be hectic and not enough time to respond, take your time.

It is true what you say though. People can't see the intentions and only the actions that you do; no matter how thoughtful or good you were. It's unfortunate of reality; however this does not apply to people who already know you deeply and care for you. If a friend knows you for years almost to the point that they're like a close brother or sister to you, they can understand intentions if you explain to them. They won't leave just because you said or did something wrong. However it does have limitations if you NEVER did the actions in the first place. Communication is key for any healthy relationship, friends or otherwise.

I can also relate to your "survival" mode. From experience, this happens from being exhausted and hitting rock bottom (then someone giving me a shovel showing me I can go deeper...). It may just be me, but the fact you want to be in other people's lives that you care about shows that you're not a bad person at all and have legitimate worry over this. You say you are fatigued and feel hopeless, as I recommended before, I still think you need professional help and consider it seriously to get it. Have you had any thoughts about that recently?
As for now about your fatigued and tired self, to soothe the symptoms, try listening to relaxing sounds and taking an hour or so a day to just relax to the sounds. You can search on Youtube "kmusiclife" and just listen to some of the tracks in the channel if you desire. It doesn't have to be by that channel artist either, just it has to be some sound that is produced by nature (rain, forest life, etc) and does not require you to continuously search for other tracks. Try not to do anything while listening to them and be seated in a comfortable position. If you must do something however, try to read a relaxing book while listening to the tracks. The point of this is to not cause an extreme emotional reaction to anything and just let the body relax. Usually people with deep relaxation can reduce the fatigue symptoms of depression.
By the way, the bolded statement is what I feel does not constitute the meaning of a close friend. People like the bolded statement (in my opinion) don't understand the meaning of being human. I hate when people "drop" their expectations of friends when I'm sure they themselves aren't perfect and do things that drops other people's expectations. Those people who drop their expectations of you just because you didn't do something right, are not close friends at all and not worth keeping. (As long as you didn't commit a crime, chances are you're fine) I think the ability to forgive and understand is what differentiates friends from close friends.

I'm sorry to hear your parents are ill. However, they do care about you and your well being, right?

Isn't there one friend you know will not leave you and if confronted with this can help you? A friend on GAF perhaps if you have to resort to? Your sister has good intentions, however it is extremely unhealthy to be surrounded by non-constructive thoughts that are given by others. It can take a toll on you and it does not help in actual healing at this time (it can help later when you can have some handle on depression and does get better; however it doesn't seem to be at the appropriate time). You are going to have to confront your sister about this, but do think carefully if you want to tell her you can't take some of her advice. If she really is emotional and/or sensitive about criticism herself, she might take it negatively and go in a wrong turn. If you think she can handle what you are going to say, by all means please do. Take careful consideration what you will say and what not to say. But at the same time, be honest. It sounds like you two are close, so take your time to think about what you will say to her. Also, be truthful on how you feel, don't hide things if you are really that close. It will only hurt you if you don't say something truthfully. If an advice really impacted you from her, tell her, don't hide that emotion too.

You say you have nothing to do all day and want to get employed. Have you tried to talk to your friends to see if they have connections to get you a job? I'm not exactly an expert on getting employed, although talking with my friends from the past, most of them found work through connections from other friends.
As for doing things on your down time, is there some old hobby you used to enjoy doing but dropped it? Try to rediscover yourself and dig up old hobbies from the past.
(For instance I went back to art recently as a means to kill time and sometimes also give me hope for a better future)

Good luck.
 
I'm hoping to get to a point in my life where I'm happy with everything else so relationships just don't matter :)

I don't know if that is possible, relationships are part of being human. It's part of our biological makeup. Keep trying, a meaningful relationship will change your entire perspective on life.
 
I'm hoping to get to a point in my life where I'm happy with everything else so relationships just don't matter :)

I cannot stress this enough: I feel this is a healthy attitude. Approach your life that you love yourself. No one else can fill that void. You must love yourself.

Speedline I am not disagreeing with you, relationships are meaningful, too, yes. But love yourself first.
 
Relationships can definitely feel weird, I've been with the girl who I thought I'd be the rest of my life with, never felt about someone like that since I first laid eyes on her. We broke up after 2 years and I was devastated and depressed for a long time thinking I'd never be able to with someone again that wasn't her, but with enough time I could recover and be able to get back into it seriously even if I still sometimes think she was the perfect girl in the whole world for me, but ah well whatcha gonna do
 
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