rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
right? aim assist warriors can't see the BS behind it. its so obvious. they think its purely skill...
Destiny 2 PC Aim Assist Needs to be FIXED
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right? aim assist warriors can't see the BS behind it. its so obvious. they think its purely skill...
The à¹ÛBronx
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I've seen far more people saying it (AA) shouldn't be removed altogether than I have people denying there's any difference. By quite a significant number.
this.
yes, this doesn't effect the high 1%
But I don't think people realize there are just as many people that are not amazing with a mouse and keyboard as there with people not aiming with a standard controller.
If thats the case.....Controller usage would dominate any standard KB/M player due to how heavy it is.
Again AA needs tweaking, not removing......
why the hell does it lock onto the head though......honestly.......make it torso and the real players who are good can adjust to the head based on the lock.
No i get that, but if the game believes it is a controller, wont it be dramatically different how the game processes the inputs? The game must be coded to handle mouse and stick data differently.
FutureProtagonist
Neo Member
If I tab out of Destiny 2 and find my keyboard and mouse don't work while I have the software open, I'm not going to be happy, even if it's only during matches. What if the game crashes or exits unexpectedly and I have manually re-enable my keyboard and mouse through device manager? What if the code that re-enables your devices fails for some reason during normal operation? I guess I'd have to go find a spare mouse, which would be an absurd consequence for a game crashing. As other users have said, that's basically a virus that turns off vital system components. I doubt I'd ever touch the game if it did that.
KirbKirb30
Member
The amount of people not reading the OP and getting caught in the act is embarrassing. C'mon GAF you're better than that.
OT, I really hope we get word from Bungie on this ASAP. If they can get this dealt with for launch, it's a sign that they're at least going to try and make this game competitively viable. As of now, I'm not getting my hopes up.
OT, I really hope we get word from Bungie on this ASAP. If they can get this dealt with for launch, it's a sign that they're at least going to try and make this game competitively viable. As of now, I'm not getting my hopes up.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
but what is the point of hitting targets with help? your frags are not yours only. you at least thanks the assist every kill you get?
Who gives a shit. Not everything needs to be an esport. Just make a fun game for people to have fun playing regardless of what input method they prefer.
Theres a competitive pvp mode in the game for a reason. I dont give a shit if theres no esport; but PVP (for me at least) is all about having fun and being competitive. I also dont give a shit what input method people use, but if you actually read the topic, I'd rather not have people exploiting and running around using mouse + kb with AA on.
KirbKirb30
Member
While I agree not every FPS needs to be an esport, the potential to exploit the AA with KB/M in this game ruins the fun factor just as much as it ruins the competitive health of the game.
You're seriously asking "who gives a shit" if MKB users have extra autoaim that other users don't and aren't supposed to? Did you even read what you're quoting?
Just recently Capcom dropped a rootkit in people's systems during an update for SFV, and I'm sure there are others besides me who haven't reinstalled since.Corporations have yet to prove they can be trusted with users rights, especially in regards to privacy. The only thing we can do is build better and more accessible tools for people to use that need specific controller types.The ๖ۜBronx;247437752 said:
This is probably partly why it's a problem specific to the game and how it uses inputs. And i don't think it matters much when the AA, seems to be doing the heavy lifting. It's pretty much aim near the target and win.
So while they can probably smooth out the halo of magnesis, having it as training wheels for mouse users is going to cause some friction, especially in the competitive community.
Foxy the Fox
Member
Why someone would play Destiny on PC using a controller when he could be on PS4?
I don't think control users should have any advantages on PC like AA.
I don't think control users should have any advantages on PC like AA.
And again, if a small handful of people on m/kb want to cheat then so what? That just makes them idiots who take winning at a friggin' video game too seriously.
PC gaming isn't an island anymore and genres like FPS need to cater toward the widening demographic. If someone is deeply concerned about features like aim assist or cheaters then just play something else.
I cant take any of your posts seriously.. but I assume you're just joking. HAHA good one!!
Woo-Fu
Banned
Who decides what is a relevant portion? Simply knowing that there are players out there using m+k+aim assist is enough for me to not want to play D2 PvP.
There, we're already at a relevant number of users for some people.
People keep acting like it is some significant hurdle to install some free emulation software. It isn't for the people who want that advantage over other players. Those people do exist, and as time goes on the portion of the playerbase that they make up will increase with respect to all others. Is just how these things work.
Yes. Go the Overwatch route and just make PC the competitive/tournament environment. You cant mix the two. It just does not work.
martino
Member
Bungie obviously.
This is why the odds I don' t see angry people in this thread when I play d2 are not null.
paperspace
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BitterSidekick
Member
Hackers are a very serious issue, especially in CS:GO, hell theres even some in PUBG. What you are saying is just ridiculous, there are plenty of people that are concerned with features that give you advantage, if YOU dont like it, it doesnt mean its not an "issue".
edit: just the videos in this thread are enough to see that AA needs adjusting.
No, not at all. Believe it or not, games can be played just for fun. Also, are people seriously asking for PVP to be "competitive?" Everyone does realize how wildly and persistently imbalanced the PVP in the original was, right?
Oh, and I understand that some games can be competitive. I used to run/compete in Halo tournaments with hundreds of entrants. But we have a shit ton of those and barely any FPS on PC that are pad friendly. I hope Bungie stands their ground and just sets out to make a fun, inclusive game.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Bungie doesn't decide because they don't care. If they cared we wouldn't be having this discussion. In their perfect world there wouldn't be any mice or keyboards.
Kittehkraken
Member
I'm sure you could make a pretty big list of potential problems with my idea.
My idea would be entirely optional and not forced on anybody's system. Don't like the method of its implementation? Don't select the option of using a controller. Pretty simple. You can only use the exploit if the game thinks you're using a controller. Normal keyboard and mouse users wouldn't apply. The only other options most people are giving is the removal of controllers from PvP and/or Destiny altogether. My idea would at least give people the option of using a controller throughout the entire game while appeasing those who think the exploit is a problem.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Yeh, because there hasn't been glowing praise for the performance of the PC port of the beta across the internet and they haven't persistently reworked their game and altered it based on feedback and consensus.
People now bitching that Bungie doesn't care because they haven't jumped on fixing an issue dug up in a beta while it's still ongoing. Jesus christ.
martino
Member
Or maybe unlike people coming with conclusions fitting agendas they will gather data to decide
You should just stop posting; 99% of people wont share the same opinion as you. People can play PVP modes in both a fun and competitive manner... that doesn't mean its fine for people to exploit the game. Your reasoning is absolute garbage "If you dont like it, find another game to play".. wut?
Nah. It's good to have differing opinions and perspectives. I too think your reasoning for removing it is "garbage," but I respect where you're coming from.
And as I said, there are plenty of competitive shooters on PC. The whole point of the original Destiny was to make you feel OP -- like a hero. There's nothing wrong with adding variety to the platform.
RichiRamjag
Member
Where did you get this statistic? Made it up?
Of course, but are you really arguing that anything less than a large majority of players want the game to be relatively hack-free? This is basically a trivial, completely 'legal' hack for the game. At least with the usual suspects in other games, people typically don't enjoy getting banned and that deters probably a huge amount of people that would otherwise try it once in a while for fun. If all you have to do is basically turn on aim assist and have no risk of being caught or punished, it will become a REAL problem.
Never thought I'd see the day with PC users complaining about controller users having aim assist. Get over it. As for M/KB having aim assist via software that will be patched like any exploit. As for XIM4 users on PC using KB/M, again get over it. Don't think there is any way for the game to tell it's a XIM4, if there is they should block it. Console players have to deal with XIM4 users as well which is way worse as that's an even worse disadvantage.
Not sure what the solution to the XIM4 situation is on all platforms, not sure if there really is anything.
Not sure what the solution to the XIM4 situation is on all platforms, not sure if there really is anything.
People are complaining about aimbot level assists.
People don't like aimbots. Hence people are complaining about the implementation here.
What a shitty attitude. Why shouldn't I want completive rules for a game that has competitive player vs player.
texhnolyze
Banned
If they are to get rid of it completely, then there'll be no sale from me.
Who the hell anywhere in the world outside of some rando on GAF is going to seriously argue for letting PC MKB users cheat with an aiming exploit in PVP.
It's not a real statistic because it's such an insanely stupid thing to argue in favor of.
Ok, since most of you people cannot read, let's try this one more time.
No. One. Has. A. Problem. With. Controllers.
No problem at all with you using a controller.
Only problem is the current implementation of software based auto assist, that should be toned down or removed on PC.
You can keep your controllers, no one wants to take away your preferences.
Now please stop.
No. One. Has. A. Problem. With. Controllers.
No problem at all with you using a controller.
Only problem is the current implementation of software based auto assist, that should be toned down or removed on PC.
You can keep your controllers, no one wants to take away your preferences.
Now please stop.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Framing. The position the people opposed are taking is that of not compromising the experience of every controller user to save the exploiting by a few.
It's easy to reword something to gain support, but blowing hot air everywhere doesn't further anything. Would you gut it outright or is there another solution you think would work.
I really dislike it when genuine users lose features due to hackers. Overwatch lost full controller support in the name of a tiny number of possible exploits, meaning you can't play Overwatch PC on a TV or a couch without being at an even bigger disadvantage than other games; something they don't have to worry about if they play Titanfall or Battlefield or Call of Duty.
Sure, make it less strong, but don't remove it. One shouldn't need to buy a whole different console just to be able to play it with something that the game should already have full support for.
Sure, make it less strong, but don't remove it. One shouldn't need to buy a whole different console just to be able to play it with something that the game should already have full support for.
So the game should just be unplayable for pad players?
These kinds of posts garner reactions that are mistaken for eltism, when it's just folks trying to grasp such bent ideas. How can it be a "game" let a lone a fair one, if every player can decide what rules apply to them?
Papo Swing
Member
I get that this is an issue that should be fix, but oh man the attitude of some people in here. Bungie is not your servant.
I was amazed playing the beta on PC this week, but this unfortunately is a deal breaker for me if aim assist isn't removed from PvP entirely. Controller support is great, but ultimately second banana on PC.
Not expecting Bungie to change this, just how I feel. PvP would be a focus for me in Destiny 2.
Not expecting Bungie to change this, just how I feel. PvP would be a focus for me in Destiny 2.
paperspace
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The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Alright. Calm down. I was saying that the argument can be phrased every which way to garner support but doing so doesn't change anything or further the discussion. That's where it had got to, just a roundabout of appealing to popularity on either side.
What solution would you go for, gutting it or another?
Dreams-Visions
Member
lmao
yea, it's gross in vanilla Destiny. it will be gross in Destiny 2.
If you didn't play Destiny 1...it's really strong. Strong enough for me to mutter a few times, "the fuck Bungie...let me aim sometimes."
