The à¹ÛBronx
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Except the world doesnt revolve around your personal enjoyment. You're playing on PC where the majority dont want cheaters and main input is kb/m.
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Except the world doesnt revolve around your personal enjoyment. You're playing on PC where the majority dont want cheaters and main input is kb/m.
Or I'll just use a controller. People are overexaggerating and I think it's absolutely hilarious.
30 fps vs 200 fps? Oh that's fine.
Widescreen 1440p vs shitty 720p? That's fine.
Mouse with 9001 buttons vs basic office mouse? That's fine.
All this shit on PC is fine until now. Now everyone needs be on the same playing field. Foh.
Now people cheating with a XIM4 sucks. But it happens ON EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE GAME ALREADY. So why should controller players lose their whole input to appease people when it happens all the time already and every dev does nothing?
1. the builds of d2 beta from console and pc are not even the same, you can't really compare the AA until release.
2. You second point makes zero sense. i've seen this rhetoric on reddit already and it's bullshit. If anything it's the other way around. AA will be smoother on PC because there's more frames to interpolate the snapping, while there's less frames on console so it will be more snappy/jumpy.
You know there's keyboard and mouse users on PS4, and taking the aim assist on top, right? There's been threads bitching that people have been using them in Overwatch.
You're debating in extremely bad faith trying to equate controllers to KBM on PC. At most, controller usage is a bonus, which is why people who actually care and need that get specialty or steam controllers.The ๖ۜBronx;247429301 said:
Bungie is not going to change it. They highly value consistency in gunplay, from pve to pvp to console to pc. They want people to have the same experience and they won't change how the gunplay feels because 0.01% of the population spoof controllers in the crucible. Maybe Destiny is not for you.
Mind elaborating a bit as I'm slightly lost. I think you may have misunderstood my intent.You're debating in extremely bad faith trying to equate controllers to KBM on PC.
Yep they were using XIM's to get the aim assist on PC. They removed aim assist from controllers afterwards.
Ive played both betas and while aiming on ps4 was super hard.. the AA isnt as bs as it is on PC (playing @100-120 fps).
You can lead yourelf to believe that theres no issue, but the majority outweigh your opinion.
or maybe shooters are not for you if you want help because you can not aim for yourself...
Ive played both betas and while aiming on ps4 was super hard.. the AA isnt as bs as it is on PC (playing @100-120 fps). You can lead yourelf to believe that theres no issue, but the majority outweigh your opinion. Either way.. its cool if you want exploiters running around using AA on m/kb, but i dont.
There's videos, stop trying to deny it lmao.Receipts?
I already explained to you that the builds are not the same, you can't conclude that pc has stronger AA right now. As far as we know it's just as likely they updated the AA across the board. We haven't played the equivalent build for consoles.
Receipts? Forums cries over overblown issues daily. There's no way to know which is the majority. People happy with the status quo more often than not don't engage, and that's in every sphere of life.
And lastly, yes I'm cool with a very small portion of the player base using emulated analog joysticks (at which raw mouse input is the better controller in most situations in any cases) over shutting down a sizable portion of the player base that prefer to play on controller, yes.
Once again, you're playing on PC where the main input is mouse/kb. Controller is an option. Im not saying they remove AA completely, but def tone it down. Ill quote you from one of your previous posts.. "Maybe Destiny PC ain't for you.".
The ๖ۜBronx;247429301 said:
are you aware your opinion (this is an unbearable problem as it is) is a minoritiy (sure vocal) until prove otherwise.
Not sure where I stand on this issue yet but I do think people are greatly exaggerating the auto aim. It doesn't snap to the head. It's not playing the game for you. Is it overtuned? Possibly. I'm just really curious to see what Bungie has to say about this.
The ๖ۜBronx;247429823 said:Mind elaborating a bit as I'm slightly lost. I think you may have misunderstood my intent.
is a KBM user pointing out rightly that the majority of players/KBM will be affected negatively by this, while the person they're quotingExcept the world doesnt revolve around your personal enjoyment. You're playing on PC where the majority dont want cheaters and main input is kb/m.
says they don't care, they just want comfort.Maybe you should re-read my posts. I'm not missing anything.
I'd rather deal with some assholes cheating the system to have aim assist with M/KB than not have it at all with my controller. If it's not there at all then controller becomes unusable.
???What a text book example of the shoe being on the other foot and the tables turning. Console players complain about cross platform play and XIM cheaters, and the mouse gods descend from the heavens to tell them to git gud and learn to use KB/M, all the while advocating for it to be a native console input. Now a PC game has buffed controller users (probably to a much lesser degree than mouse inherently enjoys) and enabled XIM cheaters, and we got a wambulance parade marching the streets.
Its been proven with clips. Do you ignore all the facts and base them only off opinions?
I imagine they work the same way if you're using a controller. Bungie said they wanted PC controller gameplay to feel as close to consoles as possible.
"PC weapons" don't assume that the player is using a mouse.
No, but it's better than the alternative which is no aim assist whatsoever. That would make PvP unplayable against M/KB users.
Better to allow it for controllers and try to punish those caught spoofing it with mice.
You've just said the issue right there though... What?The only real issiue I see with this is the people cheating by using KBM and tricking the game into thinking their using a controller to get aim assist. It's PC, people cheat, no surprise there.
This seems to be coming mostly from the elitist PC master race crowd who think that there is no place for game pads in FPS. Reading that reddit thread is embarrassing.
Actually there is another alternative. Separate queues for aim assist players. Let the people who want aim assist play with the other people who want it, let those who don't play with other people who don't. Seems pretty simple to me.
This game is going to be huge they should just auto-detect controller users and queue them together. Cross-platform with consoles could work too.
It at least should be disabled for PvP but PvE I have no problem letting players play the way they want.
thoses clips don't prove the majority find the problem to be unbearable as it is.
who is letting his opinion go hyperbole again ?
This is being so greatly over exaggerated it's hilarious.
The KBM controls have almost no recoil vs significant recoil on controller. . A good KBM player will absolutely still destroy a good gamepad player in 99% of situations. It's balanced quite well IMO, it allows controllers to be competitive so that players coming from console don't feel like PvP (a required part of the game for many quest in D1 at least) is something they have to avoid. They can at least have a chance to do well and I think it would be a shame to remove it and essentially lock those players out of PvP.
The only real issiue I see with this is the people cheating by using KBM and tricking the game into thinking their using a controller to get aim assist. It's PC, people cheat, no surprise there.
This seems to be coming mostly from the elitist PC master race crowd who think that there is no place for game pads in FPS. Reading that reddit thread is embarrassing.
I think these are the "best" solutions, but it comes at the cost of fragmenting the player base.
This is being so greatly over exaggerated it's hilarious.
The KBM controls have almost no recoil vs significant recoil on controller. . A good KBM player will absolutely still destroy a good gamepad player in 99% of situations. It allows controllers to be somewhat competitive so that players coming from console don't feel like PvP (a required part of the game for many quest in D1 at least) is something they have to avoid. It's balanced quite well IMO. They can at least have a chance to do well and I think it would be a shame to remove it and essentially lock those players out of PvP.
The only real issiue I see with this is the people cheating by using KBM and tricking the game into thinking their using a controller to get aim assist. It's PC, people cheat, no surprise there.
This seems to be coming mostly from the elitist PC master race crowd who think that there is no place for game pads in FPS and that aim assist = aimbot and no skill... Reading that reddit thread is embarrassing. How about separate lobbies as compromise...?
You've just said the issue right there though... What?
The people gaining the advantage here are still using mouse and keyboard. If they were elitists, they'd promote the use of XIM in this case as being even better than just regular mouse and keyboard.
This is going to fragment the playerbase either way. I won't play PvP at all if I have to play against people using aim assist. I mean, there just isn't any point in that when there are better PvP experiences out there that don't stack the deck like that.
or maybe shooters are not for you if you want help because you can not aim for yourself...
I do not support this, leave it there Bungie. Sweet karma for the xim cheaters on console.
PC mouse has little recoil. Then it should be removed from controller also.
No point in arguing with someone who only cares about his own comfort. Once again kb/m users emulating AA from controllers will be ruining the experience for every type of player.
If you're fine with that, then theres no point in even responding to you.
The real issue seems to be console warriors like you who keep shitposting in this thread and completely missing the point of it.
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Who's advocating the use of XIM on consoles? The fuck are you talking about?
I get that cheating is the issue. So stop the cheating (which are KBM users...), instead of deleting the feature.
Yeah, I personally feel the same, but the crux of the matter is--and something people are going to have to accept--is that there is no perfect fix. There isn't going to be a solution that makes everyone happy, unfortunately.
I'm no console warrior. I play on all platforms and I want to use PC as my main..
How is it a shitpost?
I get that cheating is the issue. So stop the cheating (which are KBM users...), instead of deleting the feature.
I think the issue is that trying to stop this exploit is nigh impossible because the recognition of whether an input device is a controller or keyboard/mouse is at the system level--would need to fundamentally change how Windows works for that, and that's not something Bungie can do.