I feel the exact same way. Fuck this repeated grinding for shit i've already done.
Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.
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F.S.B.
Want to Grind? Cool. Want to keep your exotics weapons relevant? Cool. This keeps your exotic relevant.
That's why they implemented the Light system. A character with 32 Light and a 300 weapon does much more damage than a 30 Light character with a 323 weapon. Would it really be so hard to put the newgrind content behind armor upgrades?
So don't upgrade your weapon.
Not a bad idea! They should have kept the max 300 rating for all weapons the same! The Light system is their chance to upgrade weapons without setting you back.
This is just like every other MMO.
If that MMO had no content and reset half your character every 3 months I would agree.
This is just like, Call of Duty.
If Call of Duty let you prestige starting at level 2 I would agree.
I'll give you a hint
Want to Grind? Cool. Want to keep your exotics weapons relevant? Cool. This keeps your exotic relevant.
That's why they implemented the Light system. A character with 32 Light and a 300 weapon does much more damage than a 30 Light character with a 323 weapon. Would it really be so hard to put the new
So don't upgrade your weapon.
Not a bad idea! They should have kept the max 300 rating for all weapons the same! The Light system is their chance to upgrade weapons without setting you back.
This is just like every other MMO.
If that MMO had no content and reset half your character every 3 months I would agree.
This is just like, Call of Duty.
If Call of Duty let you prestige starting at level 2 I would agree.
Name two exotics that would be better at 302 attack and no perks than 300 with full perks. Here's a list.
I'll give you a hint
Some people like the base Suros in standard Crucible especially since the bottom half bonus was nerfed.
benicillin
Banned
It takes 87,500 XP to get to the named perk (aka the last perk) in any exotic weapon. Between 15 bounties a day, weekly nightfall and telemetries it should not take you that long to get your perks back and end up with a weapon that is already higher attack than you had previously.
Because when you cant argue against the actual point, you go into "Well it doesn't mean everyone believes that" mode.
people complain that actually playing the game is really just grinding so telling them they have to play the game is not what they want to hear.
benicillin
Banned
Yeah but a lot of people are saying that just adding a few extra nodes at the end which require like 100k xp it just doesn't make any sense when for 85k xp you'll have all your perks back and end up with a gun that does more damage than your fully upgraded exotic from before. It's less than 5 days worth of bounties, even less if you consider the new bounties from the DLC and nightfall/telemetry bonuses.
And Glimmer.
And Shards.
All of which I wasted on Tuesday because they couldn't be bothered to tell us about the changes until Wednesday.
Why can't they use the already existing Light system to upgrade weapon damage instead of making me go through all that for ~30 more attack points? Thirty points that I'll really want during something like Iron Banner. Thirty points that I'd really want during a level 33 Raid that explicitly uses the Light system to add difficulty.
My maxed gun is lvl30 so already 87,500 xp earned, extra upg tier using your 100k figure only needs me to earn an extra 12,500 XP to get the fully upg "new" version, Verus a complete reset and having to earn 100k from the start.
I know which way I would prefer. Plus the bungie way costs me 2 shards, my way costs me one.
15 daily missions? Hah, what kind of time sink is this?
Agreed bro. You coming back for the dlc? I haven't seen you post in the destiny threads in a while.
benicillin
Banned
You don't have to do all 15. They give between 2500-5000xp per bounty. If you even do a handfull a day over the course of a week you can upgrade your exotic to have all of it's perks again and it will be more powerful than before. It still takes much more XP to fully level it, but to get all your perks back it doesn't take much XP at all and it will still have a higher atk power.
I am. Someone led me to believe they could be upgraded but I don't think this is the case.
I pumped far far more into my legendary weapon collection than exotics as I like the variety.
I'm not happy.
And what of those who have a ton of weapons they spent a ton of time upgrading. The time lost will never be replaced. PEACE.
Yup. I haven't played much the last few weeks outside of my Tuesday night nightfall runs. But I'll be back on Tuesday!
benicillin
Banned
I have a ton of weapons I spent a ton of time upgrading. If you didn't enjoy the time you spent upgrading the weapons then why are you playing the game in the first place?
Because I enjoy USING those upgraded weapons.
Shooting with unupgraded weapons in this game is just terrible. Take Pocket Infinity. It's fun to play with once you've grinded but worthless before that.
Lalalandia
Member
It takes with the time I have available ~1 week to level an exotic, Am I supposed to thank Bungie for setting me back several months? It would have been far easier to just slap an extra upgrade column on the end, I don't mind earning that extra damage but I deeply resent being forced to start from scratch.
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The exotics are super cool and fun to use. Shame I can't upgrade all the ones I have because it takes too much time.
benicillin
Banned
And you can still use them! And if you want to upgrade it so you can take it into the hard mode raid instead of switching to another new exotic you might not like as much (but would have to take just because it has a higher ATK) then you can re-level your favorite exotic. Within a week you'll have all your perks back.
This kind of "time invested" argument crops up in any loot based game where people say they wasted all this time but neglect to acknowledge the benefit of having used that weapon in the interim as if all the times they used it prior are null-and-void. I don't understand it.
Don't buy Legendary items.
Don't level any Faction.
Don't accidentally level any Faction.
I've already addressed this. I'm just not going to invest the time to do it again.
Manp
Member
it's not the number of missions, or the exp they give, or the time it takes.
it's that we already spent our time doing those same missions a million times already! they don't have the actual content to pull this kind of bullshit, not even after the DLC hit they'll have it.
they're flushing our effort down the crapper asking us to do exactly the same stuff for the same exact result, which is unlocking the same exact perks we already unlocked. only with an higher number thingie attached.
it's not progression and it doesn't even feel like progression... it's just scrapping our effort while making it sound like they're doing us a favour.
that, i think, is why people are upset.
Anton Sugar
Member
Um, upgrading weapons is one of the only things to DO in the endgame. If you don't like PvP/Crucible, your only option is replaying the same, simply-designed content. The Raid is the shining example of a great gameplay experience/design, but even that gets old.
Junior Mint
Member
Exactly. If there were actually more things to do in this game or if the "expansion" actually featured more than just a Korean MMO-style patch update of re-skins and 3 missions then sure, maybe people wouldn't have a problem with re-leveling since they'd naturally gain experience by going through the new content. But bringing all that BACK to Earth, Moon, Venus, Mars to do the same boring shit of running across the map to scout locations and one shotting every single enemy in sight is fucking awful.
I wouldn't count on it.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I have a Bad Juju bounty that I'm close to finishing that I'm going to wait on just in case this is the case.
The Lamonster
Member
We still don't even know if the yet-to-be-rewarded vanilla exotics will be updated to the new [expansion 1] stats post-DLC.
Within a week? I thought you had to pray Xur is selling the right upgrade every week?
Yeah, I have a feeling it won't either.
One good thing from this update (I think, lol) is that it seems it will be much easier to get to level 30 now. Just three standard legendary armors maxed with an upgraded exotic piece should get you there right? Basically what you currently have to do to reach 29 without raid gear.
Omegasquash
Member
To that, I'd just say to go ahead and keep making progress, get it, and upgrade it after the DLC drops. Shouldn't cost anything, right?
Just do it anyway, the newly upgraded Thorn is pretty awesome.
Definity
Member
I've been wondering the same thing. I'm sitting on 300/500 on the crucible portion of the bounty but I may just wait until after the DLC hits.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
The more I think about this change the cooler I am with it. I mean sure, it would have been nice to have an easy cheesy path to top end light level 32 gear from my work leveling up to light 30 content, but then what motivation would I have to get any of the new gear?
When I think of some of the alternative methods they could have chosen, I think this is a good balance. Just imagine if the only way to upgrade old weapons with keeping all upgrades was a via rare drop from the raid (say item type specific) or from the weekly nightfall, but sharing the table with the new loot?
I mean just adding 3 more upgrade nodes would be cool too, but the amount of experience required to level them still should be equivalent to leveling a brand new weapon to max. People would just complain then about how long it takes to fill each bubble.
When I think of some of the alternative methods they could have chosen, I think this is a good balance. Just imagine if the only way to upgrade old weapons with keeping all upgrades was a via rare drop from the raid (say item type specific) or from the weekly nightfall, but sharing the table with the new loot?
I mean just adding 3 more upgrade nodes would be cool too, but the amount of experience required to level them still should be equivalent to leveling a brand new weapon to max. People would just complain then about how long it takes to fill each bubble.
No, we would have our perks and the gun would be fully useful.
Lalalandia
Member
And I would join you in mocking those that moaned about three extra nodes and enjoyed my maxed exotics as they crept up. Your other arguments are variations on 'it could be worse' which is a terrible reply to someone saying 'this should be better'.
The people justifying this grind reset must love doing the same missions over and over again for that carrot on that stick. Except now that carrot is snatched from you and is now farther away on the same path you've been walking for 3 months with a small change if scenery near the end.
EL CUCO
Member
Well there are level 28 enemies in the "Normal level 26" VoG, which would explain the Vex getting buffed to 323 for TDB. As anyone that has Raided as a lower level would know, enemies above 2 levels of you pack a hell of a punch and take substantially less damage.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Wow. So, it wasn't misinformation that the current exotics become useless if you want to upgrade them to expansion levels (because you have to trade them in for updates but reset exotics that you already spent hours and hours grinding)?
If true, wow. No thanks.
If true, wow. No thanks.
What's the point of collecting any new gear if you already have one fully upgraded? Can you help me understand why a new legendary or exotic would be boring at 300, but exciting at 331?
I can? Awesome!
Good news then. You still can use them optimaly in everything but hard mode raid.
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!
Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.
The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.
They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.
Seems completely logical to me.
I don´t see what the problem is.
Re-posting this for clarification.
Lalalandia
Member
Restating for clarity:
1) Because all of the perks have to be ground for again.
2) Because days of effort are being thrown away for completely arbitrary reasons
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why don't you scrap your guns and grind for them again? That would be even more fun!
I think most of this anger and indignation will be forgotten once people start seeing the new exotics, and have less desire to keep their old weapons current.
That said, this information really should have been prefaced with the huge disclaimer: YOU DO NOT NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR EXOTICS UNLESS YOU INTEND TO DO HARD MODE CROTA'S END.
That said, this information really should have been prefaced with the huge disclaimer: YOU DO NOT NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR EXOTICS UNLESS YOU INTEND TO DO HARD MODE CROTA'S END.
Omegasquash
Member
I think it's worth taking a step back here...my opinion isn't 100% in line with those stating that it'll all be caught up in a week. I've got a job, a commute, two kids and a wife that I like. I don't like to stay up too late (save for weekends). It's going to take longer than a week per weapon, so I think there's a little bit of minimizing the time spent.
That said, it's also not the end of the fucking world. They're NOT deleting my character or the fun that I've put into the game. My legendaries will probably do the job on the level 30 TDB raid, and I'll be doing SOME bounties to get new raid gear, etc.
I do feel like it's a little strange that they're choosing this route, but that's because it's not really optimal for me, that's all. I'm still going to play and have fun.
Lalalandia
Member
What are you talking about? I've never done HM VoG and found plenty of utility in a fully levelled weapon (exotic or legendary).