BreezyLimbo
Banned
It seems that it will come out..maybe the week before the release
Destiny House of Wolves Reveal Thread
- Thread starter Twilight Gap
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It seems that it will come out..maybe the week before the release
duck_sauce
Member
Why not stay out of these threads if you are done with the game. What good does it to sour the experience for the people who like Destiny and are looking forward to the expansion?
I don't really get the need to come and exclaim that you won't play it in here, but oh well. The grind is being significantly reduced with changes coming to HoW.
Colbert
Banned
Because where else I can express my disappointment. I invested > 520 hours in the game to notice that the main flaws are still in place. Yes they improved certain areas but sorry not really the important ones. Btw I didn't want to convince anyone to dislike the game, I just was telling my POV and opinion.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Investing 500+ hours in a game you don't like is your own dumb fault.
The grind for materials has been reduced massively with the ability to buy or convert basically all of them.
Why do you feel the need to express disappointment. Just sigh and don't say anything. You sent 500+ hours I doubt many people will side with you here.
Colbert
Banned
I totally know that's my own dumb fault, believe me! Btw I didn't say i didn't like the game.
duck_sauce
Member
You had 520 hours of fun and now your are done. Thats ok. No need to express everything to the world.
This is a reveal discussion thread. We should use it with that in mind.
Colbert
Banned
You had 520 hours of fun and now your are done. Thats ok. No need to express everything to the world.
This is a reveal discussion thread. We should use it with that in mind.
Just asking: The reveal contains changes they made to the game with the new DLC, right? Isn't it allowed to express disappointment when those changes doesn't include the ones you hoped for?
For example: Raid matchmaking, more story missions than announced, another raid ...
robertsan21
Member
Don't apologise, you can express your disappointment. I agree with you, bungie totally missed the mark with so many things in this game :-(
It could have been such a good game
Bravo.
"I played this game for 500+ hours, it was horrible."
Why play it? Is a game you spent that much time on really all that bad? I find people like this so fucking strange.
I find people who can't read even more strange - let's look at what he said in detail:
Where does he say the game is bad? He doesn't, he's simply suggesting the game has flaws and that they aren't being remedied.
People are so quick to leap to the defense of this game when meaningful discussion might have been had had someone actually replied to his post, instead of making up a post and replying to that imaginary one instead.
duck_sauce
Member
No one is defending the game. Opinions are valid and discussions about merits and flaws of the game are fun and inspiring and helpful to a lot of people.
But this is not really giving any insight on why he didnt like and what could be made better in HoW. It is barely an opinion. It is just downtalking something a lot of people in this very thread enjoy. I dont think this discussion even has a place in a reveal discussion thread.
Colbert
Banned
I detailed my point of disappointment in a later response, maybe I should have taken more time to detail it in the first comment but I wasn't expecting such reactions TBH. I also thought a discussion is about different POVs on a topic, isn't it?
You can imagine how surprised I am about the reactions. I don't have scanned the whole thread but from the responses I must be the only one that stated some sort of criticism it seems.
duck_sauce
Member
Maybe we should end this discussion here. It really brings nothing of value to this thread. Sorry for starting it.
I'd prefer if we get back to the topics at hand. Namely, discussing the fan-friendly changes being made with the HoW release and the insurgence of us Lonely Xboners.
katsubento
Member
Why does it seem like alnost every single Destiny thread goes this route?
Colbert
Banned
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
i'm thinking of maybe just starting from scratch with a new character when HoW comes out. i'm level 29 titan atm but i've lost track of this game.
duck_sauce
Member
That is what i have done. Level 29 Titan, but decided to get a fresh experience with a warlock to get myself into destiny and the addons. It has been really fun so far and im kinda getting excited for HoW. The only thing that irritates me is the developers design choice to exclude certain modes from public matchmaking.
Yes im looking at you Trials of Osiris.
WavyStretch
Neo Member
Its absolutely the right decision to excluded ToO from matchmaking. Try playing salvage or skirmish with randoms, sometimes you luck out and get competent players, more often than not a single Rambo runs around handing the other team points constantly, popping ammo chests without you and generally taking no notice of the fact that small team PvP requires competent tactical teamwork, the most frustrating mode in Destiny is Salvage with randoms.
You post on NeoGAF, go in the Destiny OT and add some people, matchmaking is not suitable for every game mode, people need to stop crying about it. Destiny does need some form of ingame LFG, currently it doesn't have that, so use one of the dozens of options open to you.
You post on NeoGAF, go in the Destiny OT and add some people, matchmaking is not suitable for every game mode, people need to stop crying about it. Destiny does need some form of ingame LFG, currently it doesn't have that, so use one of the dozens of options open to you.
duck_sauce
Member
It would just be nice if we had the choice to engage in random matchmaking or not. No obe would force you to play with strangers. You still could ignore random matchmaking and play with your friends.
Colbert
Banned
I totally agree. Give us gamers the options so we can decide what fits best for ourselves!
Twilight Gap
Member
the main major changes left to the game now are matchmaking/social improvements and custom crucible matches. i expect we'll see one or both of them by the time comet arrives, but it wouldn't surprise me if bungie opts not to budge even then.
So what happens to the exclusive PSN TDB map?
Twilight Gap
Member
are you talking about undying mind?
Matchmaking for Raids or things like ToO would be a terrible idea. Bungie doesn't want to ruin those experiences for many people by forming groups where half don't have mics and you can't boot somebody that is AFK.
Imagine starting the raid and two players don't move. You can't kick them because you were put together via matchmaking without a party leader. You would have to go back out to or orbit and try over and over until you got a good team who all had mics.
Imagine the Gorgon maze without mics.
Blue Ninja
Member
Why wouldn't we? It's always been advertised that way.
I've never seen it advertised as anything other than Sony exclusive. Hell, I remember Sony implying that it might never come out of exclusive, that it would be at least a year. But with Activision being involved, I'm never comfortable with something being free unless it is stated exactly as such.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
I was under the impression these were timed exclusives and would eventually hit Xbox.
That said, I own a PS4 and don't like the practice of one platform getting content over another because of money hats. It is beyond stupid to split/piss off your customer/player base no matter how big the check is.
I can't stand exclusive content. Not a good idea.
TDB didn't have an PSN exclusive PvP map? Shows you what I missed. I thought that's what Deej was talking about with his non-PSN exclusive maps" comment...
so does anybody without the DLC, including PSN players that didn't buy the DLC.
The xbox players have more to shout about as they bought the DLC minus the extra sony maps and they get them the same time as someone who hasn't paid for the DLC.
17 Seconds
Banned
Yeah, you obviously hated a game you put 520 hours into.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Because we all know it's impossible to add a vote to kick option. I'm also tired of the "mommy knows best" excuse. If they had even basic in game LFG options, none of this would be an issue.
wesleyshark
Banned
KCOOLTHX.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I don't think you understand friend. It's not as though people enjoy tactical round based shooters through matchmaking, it's not as though there are more popular shooters out there than destiny that actually have competitive scenes which feature matchmaking.
Bungie are pretentious bastards when it comes to the matchmaking thing. Nothing in the raids is too complicated to warrant no matchmaking and their competitive modes simply aren't up to scratch with other games that feature it. Yet they seem to see their audience as too stupid to be able to enjoy it.
duck_sauce
Member
I see you points but not your problem, really. If you dont want the uncertainty of a random group,dont use the random matchmaking. Play with your raid or pvp group. Its really that simple.Those who donthave a raid will have the choice if they want to participate in random matchmaking with all the bad experiences it can bring.
Why does bungie need to protect us from bad online experiences? I dont want to be protected like that....i want choice!
irrotational
Member
IMHO choice doesn't work in this situation...if matchmaking is there, but the experience is terible, the main mass of gamers will not go off and try to find people to pair up with.
They will shout "THIS IS F**KIN SHIT!!!" and then leave never to return. The vast majority would do that, and go back to COD.
If they don't include matchmaking - some people will be annoyed, and some may not buy the game or play any more...but at least some will *try* to find others and team up to play. So overall the net number of gamers playing is probably better.
Bungie have created a console game (there is WoW and others on PC) where a "mass market" audience have actively sought each other out to try and complete nightfalls and raids.
That's pretty unprecedented IMHO.
Putting it another way - from my own persepctive - I game maybe 2-3 hours a week and never thought I would manage to do a raid....but I really wanted to try and the lack of matchmaking meant I found other people and players, and built up a mini-network of team-mates.
If there was matchmaking, I would have popped in, had a terrible time, and switched the game off. I would have stopped playing, probably late September 2014. As it is I am still playing, have flawless raider (the "easy" way with Crota), a ton of exotics and most importantly some funny people to play with.
It was also much easier to find other people, because everyone was in the same boat, everyone else was trying to find a new set of people for the first time. Social online gaming hasn't been like this since original Xbox Live days.
All because they stuck to their guns and wouldn't put matchmaking in.
I'm glad they didn't give me the choice, because I would have made the wrong one.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I just don't buy that. If any of this were as true on the scale you seem to believe, MOBAs would not be the juggernauts they are today.
This is nearing some Nintendo "We must protect the kids!" apologist levels. Like seriously, a lot of these arguments are almost carbon copies of people defending/championing Splatoon for not having voice chat even for friends. The only valid argument I've heard is that Raids need something more than vanilla matchmaking which I totally agree with.
Chomposaur
Neo Member
I would love to be a part of XB1 destinyGAF. I read the OT everyday, where do I sign up?
irrotational
Member
Hi there - I was referring to consoles specifically, and also the kinds of players that play AAA FPS titles but not much else. I said in my post that WoW and other things on the PC have already done this.
Splatoon should have optional voice chat for everyone and definitely for friends. Nintendos decision is significantly more "protectionist" than Bungie's.
So what would you propose they do? Have a minimum number of successful raid runs necessary before you can enter into blind matchmaking to ensure you understand the mechanics? Have players take an algebra test first? Okcupid profile with match scores for raid parties? Having utilized the matchmaking for Weekly Heroics since it was implemented, I feel pretty confident in saying that a similar system for Vault of Glass would be a disaster. Someone new to the raid can only put up with getting matched with some mic-less dude named pETER_nORTH420 and wiping at the Confluxes so many times before giving up altogether.
geordiemp
Member
Since you get materials now with daily story missions and the other good stuff you don't even need to patrol anymore. You can even trade stuff.
The grind has gone or I don't notice it anymore.
Diablohead
Member
They need an npc where you can make a party/room and have people join, and have rooms password locked so only friends and such can join.
PSO did this on the dreamcast, no reason why destiny can't.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Yeah, and I still don't buy it. When I play a mode in any game that requires a lot of team work, I realize that a group of randoms aren't going to give me the best experience. If I have a consistently bad experience with randoms, I wouldn't drop the mode all together. If the game and the mode interest me enough, I would search for better teammates. If I never get a chance to try said mode unless I can put a group together, then I am less likely to even attempt it. Matchmaking (or SOMETHING like it) gives me the opportunity to at least give it a chance without a significant barrier to entry.
It is, but it's the same justifications.
"Voice chat in games is almost always a toxic experience. Those experiences scare people away from the game and people stop playing because of them. If you really need to voice chat, just use Skype through your PC or phone. Nintendo knows best."
"Matchmaking for Weeklies would be a terrible experience. Those experiences scare people away from the game and people stop playing because them. If you really need a group, just use the OT thread or DestinyLFG. Bungie knows best."
A WoW style LFG tool.
Please elaborate what Bungie should do to make sure their next expansion can be a more enjoyable experience for current Destiny players.
What is it about HoW that Bungie has failed to address?
squidhands
Member
You realize that xbox players paid the exact same amount of money as we did for the DLC, right? Are you really that irritated that they get to experience what we've been able to for months?