PhazonBlazer
Member
So wait, Trials of Osiris doesn't have matchmaking? Lolwut
Destiny House of Wolves Reveal Thread
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And there is enough content to do that.
Nothing wrong with making somethings a extra challenge to test yourself extra and extent the longevity of the game.
"We find your enemies. But you have to find friends yourself"
You form a party of three, after which you get matchmade with other parties of three. Similar to raids, the nature of the game type kind of demands that type of commitment / cohesion.
It's the last announced live stream. Prison of Elders and the new strike are set to be revealed tomorrow, and something else shortly after.
Matchmaking should be in everything, with no difficulty adjustments. Give people the option.
Just add a disclaimer saying "this content heavily relies on communication, etc. and may not be suited to random parties".
Then it's up to the players to decide if they want to leave it to chance. They could have a lousy time with randoms, or maybe luck out and find a decent group.
You know what you're getting into.
And aren't LFG parties basically glorified matchmaking groups? A lot of the time you don't know anyone there and have no idea how it's gonna be, outside of knowing what gear people have due to all the "Gjallahorn / weapon of the week only, everything else need not apply" people.
GAF is kind of an exception because most people are nice, but outside of here that's the way I see it.
Just add a disclaimer saying "this content heavily relies on communication, etc. and may not be suited to random parties".
Then it's up to the players to decide if they want to leave it to chance. They could have a lousy time with randoms, or maybe luck out and find a decent group.
You know what you're getting into.
And aren't LFG parties basically glorified matchmaking groups? A lot of the time you don't know anyone there and have no idea how it's gonna be, outside of knowing what gear people have due to all the "Gjallahorn / weapon of the week only, everything else need not apply" people.
GAF is kind of an exception because most people are nice, but outside of here that's the way I see it.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yup. I'm sick of not giving us a fucking choice. If I want to match make for stuff then that should be my goddamn choice.
Matchmaking for Trials would be a nightmare. It's an elimination mode based on wins and considering it's 3 losses and you have to start over, playing with randoms each match would be awful.
The way the end game activities are set up do not lend themselves well to matchmaking. Weekly heroics only have it because they are low commitment and don't offer high level loot. Bungie has to come up with an in-game LFG / party up system in Destiny 2 because just straight matchmaking is not the answer.
Because that requires more work then just hitting a easy button.
Making you "work" for it results in that people are more commited to it and really want to play it.
Yes and you would be the first one to be on the forum complaining that matchmaking is terrible, I think that an ingame lfg should exist if anything and not matchmaking unless it was optional.
wow horde mode such hype
gutter_trash
Banned
yup, every mode should have the option to go in with your fireteam or go in with randoms
even Raids have matchmaking
Raids don't have matchmaking. I really don't get why people complain so much about matchmaking, seeing it takes 2 min to get a group.
NullPointer
Member
I still think that's a huge cop out that keeps me and others out, but its a long running one now. Bungie has made their perspective plain.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
My point was having mm doesn't hurt anyone. You can still bring your own fireteam.
gutter_trash
Banned
2 minutes? more like 2 hours
SmoothRunningGun
Member
He's probably saying raids in other games like wow. Ehh I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Bungie's going to do what they want. I can solo crota normal anyway. Hopefully poe will we soloable.
ur doin in wrong then.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Come over to the GAF thread. I was like you once. I now raid EVERY DAY.(Week.)
Imagine Gears of Wars horde mode. But with randomized enemies. And loot drops!
You're probably doing something wrong.
All you have to do is go to the Destiny OT, post what activity you're looking to do, and watch the replies come in immediately. It's that simple.
I feel bad for anyone who doesn't regularly go on GAF / Reddit / LFG sites because they're the ones who really need a system to find people to play the game with. If you're a gaffer you really have no excuse because the community here for Destiny is always active and there's always people to do raids/nightfalls/etc with.
To be clear, we have to imagine it since we don't know what it's like yet.
DestinyGAF and the LFG site will have you raiding in minutes, most of the time.
NullPointer
Member
That sounds too good to be true but its also exactly what I'm hoping for.
Twilight Gap
Member
now that most of the community's issues have been addressed (for better or for worse), i would hope bungie has a plan for adding social features and/or matchmaking to the end-game content in the works.
And then the people who actually spend the minimal amount of time and effort it takes to form a 3 man squad get to suffer because we get matched against teams of AFKers and rage-quitters? No thanks.
Regular Crucible still will have matchmaking. Trials of Osiris is for hardcore PvP play that requires coordination and skilled teamwork. There is absolutely no room for random teammate matchmaking there.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Like I told you in the other thread Ghaleon, I set myself up to be disappointed. I have faith in Bungie has enough skills to steal the basic idea from another game.
Same~
Wanted to bring this post over from the community thread:
Some additional observations:
The trailer has us spawning into that room with the multiple doors, so that appears to be the central hub/staging area.
The servitor that appears in the doorway might not be an enemy. It's there when both the Hive and Cabal themed doors open. My theory is he's the care taker / guard of the Prison, so he's the one letting us into the different areas.
I know. I'm just trying to stop you from setting up other people for disappointment.
Yeah definitely different doors for each enemy type, looks like there's something next to each one that signifies which one is which
Cabal shield next to this one:
Hive barnacle / egg things next to this one:
Fallen crate next to this door:
Some additional observations:
The trailer has us spawning into that room with the multiple doors, so that appears to be the central hub/staging area.
The servitor that appears in the doorway might not be an enemy. It's there when both the Hive and Cabal themed doors open. My theory is he's the care taker / guard of the Prison, so he's the one letting us into the different areas.
I know. I'm just trying to stop you from setting up other people for disappointment.
NullPointer
Member
Lets not forget that Bungie provided their own Horde mode in the form of Firefight, for both Halo: ODST and Halo: Reach. They don't actually need to steal from anyone besides themselves.
But the more replayable the new mode is, the lower the rate of quality loot I'd expect to drop. Could hardly be Destiny without a new currency or resource along with stringent caps.
Hah, damn good point.I know. I'm just trying to stop you from setting up other people for disappointment.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I can imagine the Servitor 'Teleporting' you to different areas(unless the Arena is a huge area) because some of the places they showed off are extremely huge.
I know. I'm just trying to stop you from setting up other people for disappointment.
I'll take everyone down with my maximum the hype levels~ Alright I'll stop until tomorrow. Oh god the streams tomorrow, we're going to find soon aren't we.
And from what I hear Firefight was pretty damn fun.
EL CUCO
Member
I just realized the reason we might not be seeing Vex in the Prison trailer is because you can't exactly lock Vex up. They'd teleport right out. But they could always teleport in during a battle with other factions.
File this under a rumor until tomorrow, but that sounds like a good solution to me. I wonder if the higher difficulties might feature a Nightfall-type of wipe.
File this under a rumor until tomorrow, but that sounds like a good solution to me. I wonder if the higher difficulties might feature a Nightfall-type of wipe.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
We haven't seen Vex ships either have way? It'd be sweet if like the Hive they can have teleportings hips.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I've said it a million times, but it's really not that easy on Xbox. It's better recently, but the PS4 people have their view of this extremely skewed.
Liquidsnake
Banned
LFG is good even for us unicorns.
It is rumored to have three difficulty settings. Yeah I wonder if the highest difficulties have the best loot and don't have MM.
Kind of disappointed because this probably means it is a vanilla horde mode that doesn't require any cooperation.
Edit: yeah that press release quote makes it really sound like the higher difficulty does not have MM.
GuitarAtomik
Member
LFG works, but LFG takes way longer than two minutes and is a pain when I have limited time to play. I was mostly talking about DGAF.
Darryl M R
Member
squidhands
Member
I think there is basically no chance that they added better AI algorithms for this DLC. The only possibility is higher level scalings based upon the existing rules.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You never know~ Crotas End has some interesting..AI....tendencies compared to the main game. What this means is that, the first dreg you encounter will just teleport and kill you.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Cool.
There's plenty of third party sites out there to find groups, even for Xbox. Use r/Fireteams if you have to. You can filter it by platform.
Shaqiri1987
Banned
World of Warcraft has raids that are far more complex than anything in Destiny's "raids", and yet Blizzard includes matchmaking for their raids.
Bungie just being stubborn.
Bungie just being stubborn.
Yung Skeleton
Neo Member
Whelp, that osiris gear looks dope and i need it. Looks like i'm gonna have to practice in the crucible until i'm not trash at this game.
WoW players are already hardcore enough to pay a monthly subscription fee. It's not really a fair comparison.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah, it's good if you are on PS4, X1 not so much
We're being progressive, we added an XBO player list to the first page of the Destiny thread!
Actually, it's Blizzard having an incentive for players to keep paying. The difference between Destiny and WoW, is that WoW has to have things that keep making people come back. Because that directly affects the profit line. So having more stuff for casual players to do-LFG Raids with a staggered release schedule, matchmaking for everything, Garrisons-for casuals it's a way to be engaged into the game and to keep playing. You're always going to have your hardcore audience there(Unless they royally fuck up-Like WildStar), but you want to attract the casual to it. Thus LFR and easy Legendary questlines for WoW.
For Destiny however, it's different. They have no incentive to offer Raid matchmaking, so they make it for the 'hardcore'. I'm sure some players have had a sentiment of quitting if they ever introduced MM for raids in Destiny. So they're able to gate these things, because they don't have a montly quota to fill. But, and a big but, working on the game and putting things into the game is a huge incentive for Bungie, because unlike Blizzard they can experiment without fear of losing those paying players; Like the commendation and exotic re-levelling in TDB made many a player(Including me) quit.
So...different philosophies, not really comparable.