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[Angry Fork]

"Other games are cash grabs so that means this game doesn't have to be top quality either!"

lol, this. The COD comparisons just obfuscate what people feel are legit concerns.

How would you even know if people interested in Destiny even buy COD + the DLC? It's such a weird cheap thing to bring up unless you just want to defend Destiny/Bungie from all criticism by any means.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Well, I haven't bought a CoD since the first Modern Warfare. I'm not getting this game for the PvP aspects. My concerns are entirely for the PvE, which is all I care about.

Destiny felt much better than any recent CoD for me and the story is much more interesting.

"Other games are cash grabs so that means this game doesn't have to be top quality either!"

Good thing this game is loved by almost all my friends. Something speaks for that.

What does any of this have to do with Destiny? Because other people see enough value in Call of Duty to buy that at 60 we should be happy that this game is bigger than CoD?

"Well people have no problem paying $60 for this game I don't like so I need to just quiet down and buy Destiny!".

CoD gets released every year as do Fifa and Madden but none of these games are similar to Destiny.

CoD is an easy cherry to pick due to the yearly 60 dollar cash grabs. I was telling a friend that they should just refocus the MP every year and charge around 30-40 for it. The campaign is useless unless it has online co op. Annualized sequels for sports seem to be the norm but when you're talking about a subpar and declining series which eats sales from otherwise good and new concepts, then I have issue.

 

[StriKeVillain]

It's teiresias

Ah, gotcha.

They probably should have had a TV somewhere playing some archival footage of Putin - his head attached to the robot body that allows him to rule for centuries - claiming he had nothing to do with The Fallen.

 

[Jest Chillin]

So a Bungie Employee on stream says that we have one destination per planet. A Bungie PR guy goes in here with a nice long post that does nothing to confirm or deny this information that another employee gave out. I am sure urk is a nice guy and can't confirm or deny anything, but why are people satisfied when none of their concerns are addressed?

Reminds me of Dinsey Infinity PR they said when the game was coming out "Disney Infinity is an ever expanding platform that will add more and more content and characters".

The least they could do is say that the employees staements did not reflect the product and there is more details to be revealed in the future.

I don't expect anything close to a content list, but at least address people's concerns.

I agree. What urk said did absolutely nothing to mitigate the fears what led this thread to blow up like it did.. And that "Sigh", I just can't understand it. What the guy said is spot on and was the first thing that I (and I believe many others too) thought after reading urk's post. "Sigh-ing" a legitimate concern from the community is just absurd.

Gonna be honest here.. I think Bungie's PR/Community Management took a dive for the worst on the past few years. I feel like Bungie thinks that all it's fans are children, and they continuously act with vague responses, snark remarks.. Gone are the great Friday Weekly Updates, mostly comprised of poorly answered fan questions (full of the BS I mentioned above). When we can get them to talk to us like adults, it's just for a brief second and we're back to "sighs"....

Why is it such a negative that each planet has one area to visit at launch? We don't even know what the size of the areas of the other planets will be. Urk said The Moon is one of the smaller places and I spent about an hour wandering around cave interiors on The Moon in Beta and that was without retracing the same areas AND there were still places that I couldn't travel to because they were blocked off.

Honestly, the reaction that one area per planet must mean there's not much content seems silly to me considering there's no context. I mean, do people get this upset when GTA games are only one city? I understand that GTA has prior games with which to judge the amount of land and content will be in the following games while Destiny doesn't have that precedent set yet but that's also why I feel like taking the news as something negative immediately is premature. If you have hesitations about the amount of content in the game, then delay your purchase. But to act as if it's confirmation of a small amount of content is incredibly presumptuous.

 

[David___]

I'm actually going back and to the stream and watching it from that question on. I'll post back if I hear anything.

I don't know if you missed my comment because I didn't directly quote you, but

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122955784&postcount=2972

Going from that question onto where DeeJ leaves, I honestly couldn't find where he says that.

That being said though, I noticed in the beta that when you go and select a planet, it has *Location name*, *Destination* like "Old Russia, Earth." If there were more areas you'd think they wouldn't be so specific from the get go.

Honestly, I think we should just wait to launch to find out what's going on, but should expect one area.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

I don't think Bungie thinks all it's fans are children, although after reading a lot of the replies in this thread, I am starting to think some of Bungie's fans are children.

Do people really think demanding an itemized list of every location/mode/feature in the game AFTER accusing Bungie of shorting the game on content to force people to buy DLC was a mature and logical course of action?

Well, you can't just go around putting down the princely sum of $60 dollars without a personal guarantee of adequate content can you? To do otherwise would be insane and the absolute height of frivolity!

Spoiler

I'm joking. Obviously.

 

[majik13]

The only thing that can be claimed in such a manner is the 'mountains' comment in the video in regards to scale.

as well as trailers showing locations around the last city on earth, that were not the tower, concept art of other earth locations, as well as lore and grimoire cards saying we need to explore and rediscover other locations on earth. (Twilight Gap I think as well as another?)

 

[Poodlestrike]

They probably should have had a TV somewhere playing some archival footage of Putin - his head attached to the robot body that allows him to rule for centuries - claiming he had nothing to do with The Fallen.

GOAT easter egg. Make do, Bungie!

 

[D i Z]

Given what's going on in the world today I'm also a little miffed that they're glorifying Russia of all places as the location on Earth.

Wut?

 

[RdN]

Why is it such a negative that each planet has one area to visit at launch? We don't even know what the size of the areas of the other planets will be. Urk said The Moon is one of the smaller places and I spent about an hour wandering around cave interiors on The Moon in Beta and that was without retracing the same areas AND there were still places that I couldn't travel to because they were blocked off.

Honestly, the reaction that one area per planet must mean there's not much content seems silly to me considering there's no context. I mean, do people get this upset when GTA games are only one city? I understand that GTA has prior games with which to judge the amount of land and content will be in the following games while Destiny doesn't have that precedent set yet but that's also why I feel like taking the news as something negative immediately is premature. If you have hesitations about the amount of content in the game, then delay your purchase. But to act as if it's confirmation of a small amount of content is incredibly presumptuous.

I think the biggest issue is that people, me included, played the Beta, and realized that there isn't that much content on regions. After 5 days playing on Old Russia, I had explored everything, knew the location of every enemy, how to get to any place... I had basically no reason to go back there except to complete bounties. The missions were to fast to complete I could barely savor them. From what I saw from the Moon, and knowing that it's the smallest location in the game, I know I can't count on it too.

Don't take me wrong, I'll be there day one. I love how the game plays, I find the story very interesting... and that what worries me... I expected Destiny to be the game not to leave my console for months. And now, after the Beta and with this information, I'm not sure it'll make it to a month...

 

[Lucent]

Destiny felt much better than any recent CoD for me and the story is much more interesting.

Not really hard. I never got caught up on the CoD thing. I got CoD2 because it was "wow I've never seen a game that looks this good" for 360 and then Modern Warfare cuz I dunno.

But yeah I haven't seen much story in this yet.

Speaker: The darkness.

My character: What can I do about it?

Speaker: -stuff-

My character: K.

lol. They have to be holding back cutscenes like crazy. There's no way even in 2-3 hours there's only that initial cutscene after arriving at the tower.

 

[The_Player]

Given what's going on in the world today I'm also a little miffed that they're glorifying Russia of all places as the location on Earth.

Are you fucking serious.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Not really hard. I never got caught up on the CoD thing. I got CoD2 because it was "wow I've never seen a game that looks this good" for 360 and then Modern Warfare cuz I dunno.

But yeah I haven't seen much story in this yet.

Speaker: The darkness.

My character: What can I do about it?

Speaker: -stuff-

My character: K.

lol. They have to be holding back cutscenes like crazy. There's no way even in 2-3 hours there's only that initial cutscene after arriving at the tower.

Was impressed enough while playing with friends so the full game should provide a lot for us to do.

 

[meanspartan]

I keep seeing people say this, How on earth is Destiny an MMO?

I think it is if anything more similar to Diablo 3, except it also has a social hub.

Main difference is you can see people out in the world randomly, though not to the extent of an MMO.

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

Not really hard. I never got caught up on the CoD thing. I got CoD2 because it was "wow I've never seen a game that looks this good" for 360 and then Modern Warfare cuz I dunno.

But yeah I haven't seen much story in this yet.

Speaker: The darkness.

My character: What can I do about it?

Speaker: -stuff-

My character: K.

lol. They have to be holding back cutscenes like crazy. There's no way even in 2-3 hours there's only that initial cutscene after arriving at the tower.

Yeah, story, lore and world building haven't done it for me yet.
However, since it is still too early to pass judgement on those matters, I'll wait for the full release.

 

[Icyflamez96]

He said that this is the biggest game BY FAR they have ever made, and people still cant get perspective on that, I'd sigh too reading half of the drivel in this thread

*facepalm* The point of this is how many areas are in the game, not necessarily how big it is.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

What the hell does the price or success of Call of Duty have to do with this news? People are worried that the game's scale and/or variety might not be as grand as might be expected for an RPG-inspired game. We won't know for sure until the final game is out but bringing out everyone's favorite military shooter strawman doesn't achieve anything.

 

[meanspartan]

Going from that question onto where DeeJ leaves, I honestly couldn't find where he says that.

That being said though, I noticed in the beta that when you go and select a planet, it has *Location name*, *Destination* like "Old Russia, Earth." If there were more areas you'd think they wouldn't be so specific from the get go.

Honestly, I think we should just wait to launch to find out what's going on, but should expect one area.

Ya this too. Unless it is just for inevitable expansions that will add other areas.

Given that I have had this many hours of fun just from beta, I still think it will be worth my $60. BUT, I absolutely expect 2-3 zones per planet at launch (with maybe just the moon sticking to 1 or 2) given how much they were hyping this game as being so huge.

It doesn't help that their vistas and skyboxes are so amazing. You see this massive city, these epic mountains, and you get to explore.....old Russia. That's it. Come on.

 

[SegaShack]

Why is it such a negative that each planet has one area to visit at launch? We don't even know what the size of the areas of the other planets will be. Urk said The Moon is one of the smaller places and I spent about an hour wandering around cave interiors on The Moon in Beta and that was without retracing the same areas AND there were still places that I couldn't travel to because they were blocked off.

Honestly, the reaction that one area per planet must mean there's not much content seems silly to me considering there's no context. I mean, do people get this upset when GTA games are only one city? I understand that GTA has prior games with which to judge the amount of land and content will be in the following games while Destiny doesn't have that precedent set yet but that's also why I feel like taking the news as something negative immediately is premature. If you have hesitations about the amount of content in the game, then delay your purchase. But to act as if it's confirmation of a small amount of content is incredibly presumptuous.

As someone who put 8 hours into the Beta and enjoyed most of it, I believe that my criticism is valid. I was expecting much more from this game. Even though I wasn't too fond of Old Russia (which looks big but is filled with random cliffs and invisible walls), I didn't care because I knew there were going to be a number of planets and different areas to explore. People are saying the Moon is smaller than Old Russia? So at the very least that means 2 out of 5 levels are very small? I am just not seeing the value in this game or it even coming close to living up to its promise.

This on its own wouldn't be a deal breaker since the combat and music are both great. However, when you combine it with things like static mob spawns, static locations (ie nothing dynamic or randomly generated like Diablo), and having to kill 100 or so creates for one item to drop, there is a lot of reason to believe that this game will not end up being too good.

As I said in another Destiny thread on here, I believe they are 70% of the way there to an amazing game but a lot of changes need to be made.

Either way, I know Destiny 2 is going to be an amazing game.

He said that this is the biggest game BY FAR they have ever made, and people still cant get perspective on that, I'd sigh too reading half of the drivel in this thread

Every company ever says this for their newest game, that it is the biggest game they've made, which is always true as technology and development costs increase. I am sure Bungie said the same thing with Halo 2, 3, and Reach. Considering that Bungie has never made a game like this before, it really doesn't give us any tangible idea of how many areas to expect in the game.

 

[biteren]

after all the info given to me now, i have decided that i will keep my pre-order and perhaps find out for myself the amount of content there is.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

as well as trailers showing locations around the last city on earth, that were not the tower, concept art of other earth locations, as well as lore and grimoire cards saying we need to explore and rediscover other locations on earth. (Twilight Gap I think as well as another?)

None of that is disproven yet though, and there's PvP maps to consider in that.

 

[SegaShack]

I don't think Bungie thinks all it's fans are children, although after reading a lot of the replies in this thread, I am starting to think some of Bungie's fans are children.

Do people really think demanding an itemized list of every location/mode/feature in the game AFTER accusing Bungie of shorting the game on content to force people to buy DLC was a mature and logical course of action?

I never saw anyone ask for an itemized list of everything in the game. Simply saying that it is greater than, equal to, or less than the announced 5 destinations would be more than enough. This way people are actually informed on what they are buying. Personally I preordered the expensive limited edition based on the promise of what this game was going to be and it is becoming clear that it is much less than what I imagined it to be.

I think the DLC accusations come from them promising these huge worlds to explore and then today's reveal by one of their employees. People are wondering where that other content supposed content will go to and naturally it is seen as paid DLC. There are already 2 paid expansion packs announced for Destiny, are people supposed to think that other additional content would be free? It makes sense that it would be paid to me.

 

[commish]

Legendary overreaction by GAF. Shocked.

 

[RadicalVelocity]

If I had been linked that twitch question and answer clip without reading this thread first (work and all), I never would have jumped to the conclusion the thread title indicates. My first reaction would have been to take that 'yeah, we call them destinations' as 'yeah, we're not calling them explores, we call them destinations.'

The idea of having even 5 or 6 destinations ala the moon/old russia wouldn't make sense to me, for a team that is only a a hair away from quadrupling the final size of the halo: reach team, not if they've been working on this full tilt for the 3.5+ years since they began. Just compare the size of Old Russia to the first mission of Halo: Reach.

Perhaps there actually is only one location per planet, but it sure as hell sounds like Deej avoided answering the question entirely.

 

[EL CUCO]

Given what's going on in the world today I'm also a little miffed that they're glorifying Russia of all places as the location on Earth.

Ikr. And all this time we thought Bungie was American. Never trust a ginger.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Karl Hawk]

If I had been linked that twitch question and answer clip without reading this thread first (work and all), I never would have jumped to the conclusion the thread title indicates. My first reaction would have been to take that 'yeah, we call them destinations' as 'yeah, we're not calling them explores, we call them destinations.'

The idea of having even 5 or 6 destinations ala the moon/old russia wouldn't make sense to me, for a team that is only a a hair away from quadrupling the final size of the halo: reach team, not if they've been working on this full tilt for the 3.5+ years since they began. Just compare the size of Old Russia to the first mission of Halo: Reach.

Perhaps there actually is only one location per planet, but it sure as hell sounds like Deej avoided answering the question entirely.

For me, DeeJ kinda tried to be as vague as possible with his answer.

 

[fastballspecial]

I'm pretty sure there's going to be more content in the $60 game than 80% of games to come to consoles this year.



What do you want? What the hell is happening?

 

[Jest Chillin]

I think the biggest issue is that people, me included, played the Beta, and realized that there isn't that much content on regions. After 5 days playing on Old Russia, I had explored everything, knew the location of every enemy, how to get to any place... I had basically no reason to go back there except to complete bounties. The missions were to fast to complete I could barely savor them. From what I saw from the Moon, and knowing that it's the smallest location in the game, I know I can't count on it too.

Don't take me wrong, I'll be there day one. I love how the game plays, I find the story very interesting... and that what worries me... I expected Destiny to be the game not to leave my console for months. And now, after the Beta and with this information, I'm not sure it'll make it to a month...

You would have reason to go back to Old Russia if a reason does exist. Not only are there parts of that map that are labeled that we couldn't explore in the Beta (Kings Landing) but there were areas of the map that weren't labeled at all that blocked off from normal play that people found through glitching through terrain. And while yes, the missions presented in the Beta were fairly short, they're beginner missions. Most of them take place before a character even has a full loadout. There's no reason to believe that later missions will be the same length.

As someone who put 8 hours into the Beta and enjoyed most of it, I believe that my criticism is valid. I was expecting much more from this game. Even though I wasn't too fond of Old Russia (which looks big but is filled with random cliffs and invisible walls), I didn't care because I knew there were going to be a number of planets and different areas to explore. People are saying the Moon is smaller than Old Russia? So at the very least that means 2 out of 3 levels are very small? I am just not seeing the value in this game or it even coming close to living up to its promise.

This on its own wouldn't be a deal breaker since the combat and music are both great. However, when you combine it with things like static mob spawns, static locations (ie nothing dynamic or randomly generated like Diablo), and having to kill 100 or so creates for one item to drop, there is a lot of reason to believe that this game will not end up being too good.

As I said in another Destiny thread on here, I believe they are 70% of the way there to an amazing game but a lot of changes need to be made.

Either way, I know Destiny 2 is going to be an amazing game.

Urk said The Moon was one of the smaller maps, yes but it didn't seem very small at all when exploring it personally. The above ground area is fairly limited but there are a series of caves and tunnels under the ground that connect many areas and in those tunnels and caves a lot was blocked off. There are at least 5 areas known through the star map shown in the Jason Jones trailer. Venus, Earth, The Moon, Mars, and The Reef. I'm not sure where you got 2 out of 3 from.

If having mobs spawn in the same places in Explore and having to work for drops isn't something that you enjoy, then that's fine. However both of these things are common in MMO-esque games. To expect completely dynamic enemy spawn in a largely open world game seems like an extremely high expectation. These are things that aren't present in most games, even the hugely popular open world IP's still use set pieces for their controlled content delivery.

 

[Cat Party]

I enjoyed the beta a lot and it probably sold me on the game, but I'll need to know how many missions and areas we're talking about. I played all the Old Russia content in the beta, so what percentage of the game is that? I can wait for the answer, but it'd be cool if Bungie let us know soon so I can adjust my hype levels accordingly.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Screw it until I hear otherwise I'm going to assume there's 8-10 areas with every pvp map location represented and a maybe on Reef and Mercury.

 

[Dr Amazon MD]

I highly doubt they would have shown all that concept work awhile ago (like Chicago) and then not have it in the launch game. Doesn't seem like something a respected developer would do. Either way I'm sure there will be enough content at launch. Let's just wait and see; okay?

 

[thetrin]

I'm pretty sure there's going to be more content in the $60 game than 80% of games to come to consoles this year.



What do you want? What the hell is happening?

People are comparing it to similar games, not unrelated games that don't share any similarities.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Legendary overreaction by GAF. Shocked.

Gaf overreaction!?

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

I never saw anyone ask for an itemized list of everything in the game.

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Surely it can't be hard to say:
* There are X unique environments in PVE, and Y in PVP
* There are Z public events
* There are A campaign missions
* There are B strike missions
* There are C raids

That's all I'm really interested in anyway.

People posting things like the above is not reasonable, and neither is biting off Urk's head over a comment that is less vague than the original super vague Bungie comment that spawned this 20+ page thread. Some speculation and worry (aka DLC)I totally get and understand, but some of us have come off the rails.

 

[Trouble]

Legendary overreaction by GAF. Shocked.

 

[unbias]

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People posting things like the above is not reasonable, and neither is biting off Urk's head over a comment that is less vague than the original super vague Bungie comment that spawned this 20+ page thread. Some speculation and worry (aka DLC)I totally get and understand, but some of us have come off the rails.

Cherry picking bad posts to push away legitimate concerns, news at 11. It would be like me highlighting how the only thing some people in this topic have been doing is trying to downplay any concerns people have.

 

[Symbiotx]

This is hilarious. First, people see video footage and say "OMG THIS GAME IS SO BORING, BORDERLANDS HALO LOL PREORDER CNACELLED"

Then, they play the alpha/beta and most people realize what an awesome game this is.

Next, without knowing what the full game will really include, everyone is jumping to "OMG IT'S ZO SMALL, CANCEL YOUR PREORDERS ITS LIKE SO SMALL"

This is obviously the go-to strategy around here:

 

[SegaShack]

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People posting things like the above is not reasonable, and neither is biting off Urk's head over a comment that is less vague than the original super vague Bungie comment that spawned this 20+ page thread. Some speculation and worry (aka DLC)I totally get and understand, but some of us have come off the rails.

Wow! That is crazy! Thanks for showing me that.

As for "biting off urk's head", I don't really see anyone doing that. People like me are just stating how it did not address the question at all, so we are all still confused at this point about what the game will be like. It really was a big PR statement, which makes sense because he is a community manager, but it needed to address people's concerns here and instead brought more questions than answers.

 

[unbias]

This is hilarious. First, people see video footage and say "OMG THIS GAME IS SO BORING, BORDERLANDS HALO LOL PREORDER CNACELLED"

Then, they play the alpha/beta and most people realize what an awesome game this is.

Next, without knowing what the full game will really include, everyone is jumping to "OMG IT'S ZO SMALL, CANCEL YOUR PREORDERS ITS LIKE SO SMALL"

This is obviously the go-to strategy around here:

Oh really, is that what everyone with concerns, in this topic, is doing? Well you sure as shit convinced me...

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Cherry picking bad posts to push away legitimate concerns, news at 11. It would like me highlighting how the only thing some people in this topic have been doing is trying to downplay any concerns people have.

Read his reply again, he said he hadn't seen the kind of specfic post I mentioned, so I provided him with it. Concerns are fine, but the actual comment that spawned this thread was pretty tame, even for GAF's usual over-reactions.

 

[a916]

Do I think this game will provide more content than any CoD game? Yup. Yet everyone lined up to hand over $60 Day 1 for that series year after year. And not to mention the map packs. Ooh, I can have Snoop in the game? Take my money...

This thread:

Ah... I find it amusing you use that "typical GAF" gif and then turn right around and throw COD under a bus because it has a fanbase that enjoys purchasing the game year after year...

 

[Kalamari]

I don't see how people can accuse others of jumping to conclusions when game content across the board has consistently been declining over the years. It's a problem and a valid concern. Sometimes I think developers purposely aim for a minimum requirement of content, which really hurts them in the long run. Games become shorter and shorter, more people rent rather than buy, and fewer games are sold.

 

[Lucent]

Just posting this gamespot article again. Basically just showing it's not just us who are concerned and have questions. It's not like I'm on a mission to hate the game. I want to love it. But there's just so much unanswered. And it could all easily be addressed.

 

[Orochinagis]

I'm not upset. I'm about to pop a beer and celebrate. As you might imagine, what I'm probably not going to do is provide a list of ALL THE CONTENT IN THE GAME. Unless the beer is really, really strong.

You are always welcome to mexico,we have some special beer for you.

Spoiler

Its Tequila

 

[unbias]

Read his reply again, he said he hadn't seen the kind of specfic post I mentioned, so I provided him with it. Concerns are fine, but the actual comment that spawned this thread was pretty tame, even for GAF's usual over-reactions.

Seems this topic spawned from a lack of information about the game, beyond the beta. Outside from a few outliers, I'm not seeing much over-reactions. It seems over reaction claims pop up the most when people have some form of negativity, while ignoring what is probably more frequent, which is over-reactions in the positive with things.

I've seen more legitimate concerns over the possibility of too little content, based on their experiences with Old Russia having, subjectively, too little content in it as a basis. As it stands that is all we have to go off of. If people are happy with what is there, great, but I'd say pessimism is more helpful then "oh, it will be great, don't fucking worry". Hell, I see a lot of people in here saying they will still buy it, but are still concerned about how long they will enjoy/play it vs original expectations.

And yes, I read his reply, but again, it would be like me pointing out the people in this thread who have done nothing in it, but try and combat any concerns people have about the game. You pick the conversations to get into for a reason.

although after reading a lot of the replies in this thread, I am starting to think some of Bungie's fans are children.

Do people really think demanding an itemized list of every location/mode/feature in the game AFTER accusing Bungie of shorting the game on content to force people to buy DLC was a mature and logical course of action?

This, to me, reads like focusing on the few shit posts to brush away legit ones. More then half of the complaints of people being negative is using this train of thought, honestly; highlight the shit posts and bring those up.

Very few people are asking them to detail everything about the game, people just want mroe information about end game and the more about the content over all. As it stands we have very little.

 

[dopplr]

Why is it unreasonable to know exactly what I'm going to be buying? Being vague and keeping stuff secret under the guise of 'spoilers' is quite daft. Do movies hide their runtimes? Do books hide their number of pages? Blindly defending a game you also know barely anything about and taking developers words as truth is also pretty silly... How many times have developers exaggerated or twisted the truth or just straight out lied. Put pressure on Bungie, you're the consumer, they're here to serve you and give you good products.

 

[Da1nonly J]

Why is it unreasonable to know exactly what I'm going to be buying? Being vague and keeping stuff secret under the guise of 'spoilers' is quite daft. Do movies hide their runtimes? Do books hide their number of pages? Blindly defending a game you also know barely anything about and taking developers words as truth is also pretty silly... How many times have developers exaggerated or twisted the truth or just straight out lied. Put pressure on Bungie, you're the consumer, they're here to serve you and give you good products.

I'm not caught up. But why buy something without knowing what it is you are buying? You are not forced to preorder. Wait until the day the game releases and I'm sure you will have the answers to what exactly you would be buying.

 

[darthbob]

Why is it unreasonable to know exactly what I'm going to be buying? Being vague and keeping stuff secret under the guise of 'spoilers' is quite daft. Do movies hide their runtimes? Do books hide their number of pages? Blindly defending a game you also know barely anything about and taking developers words as truth is also pretty silly... How many times have developers exaggerated or twisted the truth or just straight out lied. Put pressure on Bungie, you're the consumer, they're here to serve you and give you good products.

I get your point, I really do, but could you have possibly worded that in a way that didn't make you look like an entitled child?

 

[Jest Chillin]

Why is it unreasonable to know exactly what I'm going to be buying? Being vague and keeping stuff secret under the guise of 'spoilers' is quite daft. Do movies hide their runtimes? Do books hide their number of pages? Blindly defending a game you also know barely anything about and taking developers words as truth is also pretty silly... How many times have developers exaggerated or twisted the truth or just straight out lied. Put pressure on Bungie, you're the consumer, they're here to serve you and give you good products.

To use your movie example, this thread is more of.. seeing some trailers to a movie, liking what you've seen in those trailers, but then demanding that more of the movie be explained to you before you go out to see it, to make sure it's worth it.

Having concerns is fine. However, the proper way to approach those concerns would be to wait until it's out if you're having that many doubts. Then you'll get the facts from those that went ahead with a purchase on day one.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

I get your point, I really do, but could you have possibly worded that in a way that didn't make you look like an entitled child?

what? I have no idea where you got that from what dopplr said