I really hope Bungie is holding an emergency meeting about all this, but I certainly won't hold my breath. They'll probably see how things settle down after a few days and of course after people get their hands on the DLC and see how things work in practice before they do anything.
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Destiny |OT11| It goes up to 11!
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PrivateWHudson
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Cool, I also forgot the coins needed to buy the telemetries, and hoping that Xur is selling the one you need.
upupgraded exotics you may have in your vault are oddly valuable as a result. the upgrade exchange will take them from 260-302, the largest damage just that any upgrade process can even do right now. presumably, after the exotic update, this is also an opportunity for other people to main the reworked exotics for fun and a "cheap" upgrade.
thinking of stuff for a guide on how to navigate all this stuff, if there would be interest. need some more info, but pretty soon.
thinking of stuff for a guide on how to navigate all this stuff, if there would be interest. need some more info, but pretty soon.
Here's how I probably would have set up the exotic upgrade system:
Sell a magical doohickey at the new DLC Lady Bleedyeyes vendor for Black Wax Idols or Glimmer. You could only apply this item to the exotic if it has been fully upgraded.
Applying the item to any exotic resets the final column of upgrades in that weapon while adjusting the weapon's Attack or armor's Defense/Light to the new base Exotic curve:
- All three upgrades in the column will be designated with a colored outer ring designating that the weapon was upgraded instead of found/purchased post-DLC, to promote player legacy/investment (players would be able to show off an exotic that they carried with them since launch as these designations "stacked up" like tree rings)
- Each of the final upgrades would split the new Attack/Armor/Light curve distribution across 3 nodes such that unlocking the first node would essentially include the "easier" nodes prior to the final column
- Node XP would be split up 30/30/40% of the total XP required to level the item from base so it would take a similar amount of time to finish upgrading that item compared to buying a new post-DLC item (which is to prevent players from being left too far behind as DLC progression continues, and keeps Telemetry consumables relevant for all players)
- The final node would still require another Exotic Shard to unlock to keep opportunity cost relatively equal in resource while conveying the advantage of having all prior weapon perks unlocked while leveling the weapon along the new stat curve
- Xur's involvement is equalized in the progression advancement such that his only relevance is either for exotics you currently don't possess or to purchase Exotic Shards (which are equally relevant whether you buy the exotic from him post-DLC or are upgrading a current exotic). The upgrade lottery element is a word-of-mouth disaster waiting to happen
Sell a magical doohickey at the new DLC Lady Bleedyeyes vendor for Black Wax Idols or Glimmer. You could only apply this item to the exotic if it has been fully upgraded.
Applying the item to any exotic resets the final column of upgrades in that weapon while adjusting the weapon's Attack or armor's Defense/Light to the new base Exotic curve:
- All three upgrades in the column will be designated with a colored outer ring designating that the weapon was upgraded instead of found/purchased post-DLC, to promote player legacy/investment (players would be able to show off an exotic that they carried with them since launch as these designations "stacked up" like tree rings)
- Each of the final upgrades would split the new Attack/Armor/Light curve distribution across 3 nodes such that unlocking the first node would essentially include the "easier" nodes prior to the final column
- Node XP would be split up 30/30/40% of the total XP required to level the item from base so it would take a similar amount of time to finish upgrading that item compared to buying a new post-DLC item (which is to prevent players from being left too far behind as DLC progression continues, and keeps Telemetry consumables relevant for all players)
- The final node would still require another Exotic Shard to unlock to keep opportunity cost relatively equal in resource while conveying the advantage of having all prior weapon perks unlocked while leveling the weapon along the new stat curve
- Xur's involvement is equalized in the progression advancement such that his only relevance is either for exotics you currently don't possess or to purchase Exotic Shards (which are equally relevant whether you buy the exotic from him post-DLC or are upgrading a current exotic). The upgrade lottery element is a word-of-mouth disaster waiting to happen
peanuthead
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So when the second expansion comes out, we gotta do it all over again...for the third time on the original exotics and for the second time on the TDB exotics??? That's a depressing thought...
bobbyrawlins
Banned
Anybody on Xbone wanna help a brother through the Nightfall/Weekly? My trigger finger is broken so I'm operating at sub-optimal efficiency.
Orthogonal
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I'm sure they meet to discuss things at a high level frequently, but making changes take a lot of time. Especially changes to systems.
It was either this thread or the one on Gaming about the change, but they mentioned that the person in the Game Informer article had spoken with Bungie Devs that had many of the same complaints and frustrations with the game that many of us express. If Devs are seeing the same issues and things are slow to change for the better or not at all, then I don't know what they are going to do. Something is broken inside Bungie from the production side of planning and design for this game.
in other words, any upgrade system that left unlocked the two "one-column" perks from your exotic while changing the base damage to the new plateau would have been fine with everyone
the markers for "OG" exotics are a nice touch, exquisite work as always Wallach.
the markers for "OG" exotics are a nice touch, exquisite work as always Wallach.
I always feel left behind in this game. Can't even find a hard mode group and now everyone is demanding elite double-upgraded Horns.
Rheamy and I on the Bungie forums have solved this. We expect compensation.
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82146441/0/0/1
(I'll gladly be paid with an Ice Breaker)
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82146441/0/0/1
MrAnderson
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0 and 14 on the vex. Maybe next week! But probably not.......
Flying Toaster
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Keep your Titan, if you want to be agile you can max out agility on the Titan with Mida. Its actually a wicked PVP build.
Ice Breakers everywhere rejoice at the idea of eating a million XP over the game's course. Guardians cry.
Orthogonal
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The wording of Deej's comment could be interpreted that only fully upgraded Exotics can be "refreshed" to higher tier. Maybe we are getting too worked up on folks lucking out by not upgrading all along. (Not that the current proposed implementation is a good idea)
It's just not clear right now.
Also, I'm sure there will be a ton of interest in a new guide. This is a huge monkey wrench in the progression system and people will be confused for a while. Vets and newbies alike.
I'm mainly disappointed about exotic item upgrading not because of all the exp that's going to be needed, but the nonexistent options for legendary item upgrading and reforging that was introduced for Iron Banner items only in the last Iron Banner. Destiny has few loot, and even fewer worthwhile exotics that deserve to occupy an exotic slot due to game restrictions only. I'm forced to become more selective, not elective, with what items I'll be carrying forward to progress in Destiny because exotics are incredibly time consuming to level compared to legendary and old raid items, which are still considered legendary items. Having more slots for bounties mitigates this somewhat, but carrying over bounties from days over and having 2 days worth of bounties means more grinding for a class of items that's already more time consuming to level than most other items in the game. Bungie better not dare require a fully upgraded exotic item for a reset because I don't need to reiterate why.
The inability to carry the best legendary items and old raid weapons into the new hard raid is also going to be devastating because of similar reasons. There's not a lot of loot in Destiny, and I do not want to continue playing a game without Fatebringer by my side... To compound that even further, the lack of vault space is especially excruciating. I don't have a lot of room for choices literally and figuratively speaking.
Ah, fuck it. I have more to complain about, but it's not worth it right now.
The inability to carry the best legendary items and old raid weapons into the new hard raid is also going to be devastating because of similar reasons. There's not a lot of loot in Destiny, and I do not want to continue playing a game without Fatebringer by my side... To compound that even further, the lack of vault space is especially excruciating. I don't have a lot of room for choices literally and figuratively speaking.
Ah, fuck it. I have more to complain about, but it's not worth it right now.
BMO = GOAT
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Yea, im leaning towards scrapping hunter. Tho i haven't had luck with raid gear on my titan so far (2 normal raids).
I totally get it, I have three kids of my own. My wife would attest to how much I hate doing much of anything around the house.
Except the dishes, for whatever reason, I don't seem to mind those. Maybe lvling an exotic is like doin the dishes?
Mick Stagger
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I get a funny feeling the price of Exotics from Xur will be increased as well.
IXIKelsonIXI
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Anybody been over to Gaming? That thread is the Player Hater's Ball.
toastyToast
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It wouldn't be so bad of you didn't lose your XP. The amount weapons need is stupid and with how situational their uses are even your most used ones won't get that much use out in the field for the enemy XP.
Hmm, I haven't drawn that conclusion from anything I've seen so far. That would actually change my interpretation of the system considerably.
I take that to mean "Regardless of how much has been invested, even if that is none," but it is, as has been the case before, a little vague.
If you would take a 29 Titan with maxed weapons, I could start in about 10-15 minutes.
Orthogonal
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They already effectively have been since you need 7 coins to upgrade them with Shards.
MrAnderson
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Anyone want to do the nightfall?
Edit: nvm gotta do something else.
Edit: nvm gotta do something else.
bobbyrawlins
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I'm assuming PS4?
Always need a Titan!
Flying Toaster
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Your friend "Still hanging out and playing Destiny with her?"
Your dad and I are onto something your just not wanting to face the truth!
He was with us during the daily and he's still playing with her as we type!
IXIKelsonIXI
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If the former is true - having to fully upgrade it before cashing it in - this fire will get a whole lot bigger.
That said, I doubt that's the case. I assume that we can trade it in regardless of progression level.
I totally get it, I have three kids of my own. My wife would attest to how much I hate doing much of anything around the house.
Except the dishes, for whatever reason, I don't seem to mind those. Maybe lvling an exotic is like doin the dishes?
Haha Steve - dishwasher for the win, bro.
I'm a single Dad, so I'm constantly doing laundry. Hence my frame of reference.I know we could use telemetries, trust me - my son just used them to level up Thorn. But if he had to do that again, we would have to wait for them to go on sale, then do all those bounties across multiple characters again... Ugh.
I want Bungie to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_YVQctXVg
Flying Toaster
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I am waiting for an Off Topic meltdown of epic proportions...
"So my sister and friend were supposed to be playing Destiny. I walk in to say hi and well they were definitely exploring some loot caves if you know what I mean."
panama chief
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ahh bungie. you never fail. got IB on my first nightfall. guess i wont have to lose my 300 IB while i level the second one. #somefaithrestored
Dr_LawyerCop
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I need 2 guardians for a hard raid starting in 20 mins, if anyone is interested.
PSN - Dr_LawyerCop
PSN - Dr_LawyerCop
Nice! I got mine yesterday.
EL CUCO
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Some more info on TDB. Datto had some suggestions on releveling up exotics that I like. I know Bungie respects him, so hopefully they listen.
http://youtu.be/ZWkB_acoZ98
http://youtu.be/ZWkB_acoZ98
Shinigami no Mori
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I just posted this on another forum, applies here as well.Haha Steve - dishwasher for the win, bro.
I know we could use telemetries, trust me - my son just used them to level up Thorn. But if he had to do that again, we would have to wait for them to go on sale, then do all those bounties across multiple characters again... Ugh.
I want Bungie to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_YVQctXVg
The wording is too vague for me to get worked up as of yet. I'm hoping that only fully lvl'd weapons can be upgraded, otherwise a base exotic is just as valuable as one that's fully lvl'd today.
That would not be cool.
Otherwise, I'm fine with it. I was never planning on sticking with these weapons forever, new stuff drops and makes old stuff irrelevant, it's the way these types of games work.
If anything, the fact that I can simply upgrade what I've got rather than put myself through the trials and tribulations of RNG drops completely ignoring me, is a blessing I am thankful for. Time I can handle, but time for no reward is when I get frustrated.
*cough* Where's my damn Ghjallahorn or Icebreaker, Bungie??? *cough*
Dr_LawyerCop
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Cool, I think you're on my friends list. We're finishing the weekly and then I'll send an invite.
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