Yeah, you gotta bring your character with the class equipped to Xur and give a class shard, 7k glimmer, and 9 strange coins to reset it for the new changes.
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Yeah, you gotta bring your character with the class equipped to Xur and give a class shard, 7k glimmer, and 9 strange coins to reset it for the new changes.
Orthogonal
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But we get choices. Deej said we get options now. Keep it as is or "choose" to "upgrade" and level again.
They did the 26, since she's only level 25.
She's playing a strike now and just got a legendary gauntlet engram. Assuming it's not for Warlocks or Titans, that will get her to level 26 and she can start doing 28 stuff.
Yeah, totally. Good raid, all! grimlock33, Ourobolus, captscience
I pulled:
- raid arms (which is annoying, because I just did the Iron Banner grind for those arms recently)
- Atheon's Epilogue (second)
- Hezen Vengence (second)
- lots of ass
My buddy got:
- raid chest
- found verdict
Everyone showed up. Let me know if you find a hard raid that might take a 29 or if you want to go next week.
She was only 25 and we didn't want to make her feel like she was flicking pebbles at mobs so we did the 26. She should hopefully be up to 26 or 27 next week so she'll be ready for the good stuff.
That kid is dynamite with a trip mine tho. She took out a few packs that were about to merc us.
bobbyrawlins
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Thanks, Nightfall, for the trash legendary scout rifle. Or should I say thanks for the ascendant energy .
I have Hawkmoon with zero upgrades right now. Let's say I upgrade it all the way to 300 attack. This will require 6,600 Glimmer, 56 Helium Filaments and 1 Exotic Shard (7 Strange Coins).
If I wait a week I'll be given the chance to skip all of that shit and jump straight to 302 attack...and then have to spend all of that.
For unupgraded exotics the upgrade path is a cheap way to jump from 274 to 302 without making a mess. But it's ridiculous how much work just becomes meaningless for weapons you've already done.
I wonder what the rationale behind erasing our progress was. Wouldn't it be easier to have the upgrade path just open a new column? Even if that new column takes as long to fill out as all the previous ones combined and the nodes are expensive, it still sucks that whoever gets a dropped Ice Breaker next week would have it do more damage than mine when I've poured ridiculous amounts of XP and materials into it.
If I wait a week I'll be given the chance to skip all of that shit and jump straight to 302 attack...and then have to spend all of that.
For unupgraded exotics the upgrade path is a cheap way to jump from 274 to 302 without making a mess. But it's ridiculous how much work just becomes meaningless for weapons you've already done.
I wonder what the rationale behind erasing our progress was. Wouldn't it be easier to have the upgrade path just open a new column? Even if that new column takes as long to fill out as all the previous ones combined and the nodes are expensive, it still sucks that whoever gets a dropped Ice Breaker next week would have it do more damage than mine when I've poured ridiculous amounts of XP and materials into it.
Unless they make old exotics and new exotics into tiers. The old exotics will require 7,000 Glimmer and 1 Exotic Shard to upgrade into the new tier (but you can only reset them after maxing them first) while the new exotics will have the new max potential with a lower cost.
Twilight Gap
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Many great options.
Such wow.
And we even have to pay Xur to do it. That shady bastard can stick my Ghorn up his ass.
EmmaWatsonButt
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We don't even know for sure whether or not Hawkmoon will be made available by Xur
It's different because new players will have to put less time in to upgrade the /same/ gear as veterans who've put in hundreds of hours already.
Niiiiice! Is she doing her dailies for vanguard rep? That welfare chest will go a long way.
Honestly though this has been a problem with the game from the start.
There are so many stop blocks like the weekly reset and caps in place to stop the hardcore from getting too far ahead that this only makes sense.
LollipoPReapeR
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Ah but thats just it. They aren't new are they? It's not like they're new drops either. It doesn't set a good precedence either. Are we supposed to level up all our exotics every time a DLC hits?
As people are rightly complaining about, my time playing destiny is clearly not valued by Bungie and it seems all they care is making me stick around till the next round of DLC hits and I gotta say they aren't doing a great job of it. I mean how much time do they think people have? I put a lot of my spare time in because I'm lucky enough to have two days off every week from university. Others have full time jobs/families making time far more precious. This is not even minding the existence of other games.
And don't even get me started on legendaries. That situation is a whole other shitfest. But I've conceded that battle. Bungie will (probably) never change that
Sword Of Doom
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So all I'm saying is we are not sure what is gonna happen. We have had exotics and that's it but raising the attack on the Vex basically created two tiers of exotics. I think that is what Bungie is doing. The exotics from the DLC are the new higher tier exotics and the current ones excluding the Vex are lower tier. You can raise the tier of the exotic by taking it to Xur when you're item is available for upgrade. I really think that will not change if an item is dropped after the expansion. Of course a clarification from Bungie would be very helpful.
So, with the update they said they're going to be addressing loot drop systems in Crota's end.
Are they going to look at all activities and adjust loot drops accordingly?
Many difficult activities in this game don't seem to reward properly. AKA a Level 30 daily rewarding more mats, with the chance of a purple engram over blue.
A big fear I have is now upgrading my current exotics, then getting the same exotic dropped at the higher level cap. That will feel like a total waste of materials, even worse than grinding rep levels and getting the cape i need to earn rep as a reward.
ah well. Spitting out thoughts.
Are they going to look at all activities and adjust loot drops accordingly?
Many difficult activities in this game don't seem to reward properly. AKA a Level 30 daily rewarding more mats, with the chance of a purple engram over blue.
A big fear I have is now upgrading my current exotics, then getting the same exotic dropped at the higher level cap. That will feel like a total waste of materials, even worse than grinding rep levels and getting the cape i need to earn rep as a reward.
ah well. Spitting out thoughts.
Wait til she gets 2 ass shards out of it.
Loot in this game is pretty terrible.Jest Chillin
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I think you mean players that haven't poured as much time into maxing out Exotics rather than new players. That's true. And with the exception of those that leveled Exotics a bunch in the recent weeks, those that did put that time in also enjoyed the perks of having fully leveled Exotics. Unique mods that wrecked the current content. Which is what the Exotics purpose actually is.
If you want to keep your Exotics current to the new Progression Scale, then every time Progression advances, yes you have to level the Exotics again. I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that Bungie doesn't "value" the time it's players have put in. Having to put more time into leveling things is a staple of Vertical Progression. It doesn't work otherwise. I am, as I'm sure Bungie is as well, fully aware that people have limited time to play. However I find it hard to believe that people with limited time to play have so many fully leveled Exotics that it makes a serious difference.
It primarily affects the people with a ton of time to play. The people who have accrued a ton of Exotics and spent the time since launch leveling them. It took a lot of time then and it will take a lot of time now. That's exactly how vertical progression works.
LollipoPReapeR
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If you think that's a 'choice' then all the more power to you. We already have people requesting only max light levels or people with max weapons. I bet it's even worse in LFG.
Say I go ahead and go fuck it, I'm not gonna buy this Gjallerhorn upgrade today, who the hell knows when it'll be back? Sure he has 6 slots for weapons but after that sunbreaker + voidfang fiasco, I have no trust in Xur
Yup, she's working on it. Should have some legendary gear by early next week at this pace.
Gauntlet was for a Titan.
HawksWinStanley
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What's the difference between that and getting a new exotic now? All of my current exotics are better than the new ones I get but I, along with everyone else, still plays on to upgrade the new exotic. I don't see how making us reupgrade everything validates getting the new ones. Seems like it's just pissing everyone off.
TheTylerDurden
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Have to max them first?
I don't think so, but we don't know for sure. That would be exceptionally cruel.
I also keep seeing reference to this 7k glimmer figure for the upgrade process. Is this in the update from Bungie, because I must have missed that part somehow.
Just landed, I'm about an hour from home. Feel free to go without me if necessary, it's coo.
LollipoPReapeR
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She can do 28 stuff as a 25. Even a goblin farting can probably kill her though
No, in the current system if you wait a week you may or may not have the opportunity to upgrade it. Hawkmoon may or may not be eligible at all since it is a PS exclusive item and this process involves Xur.
This is the real time bomb in the current upgrade proposition. They are forcing players to enter a lottery to have just the opportunity to upgrade and re-level a piece of equipment they have already have and would be willing to wipe. The real drama hasn't even started yet. Dec. 12th is when shit gets real - that's the deadline for them to un-fuck this idea.
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Anyone up for a normal mode Vault of Glass run around 10pm US East time? I need 3 more
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One more in case Stryker can't make 10.
That's a strange way of looking at the situation. I poured hundreds of hours into maxing out my extensive inventory. If I buy the DLC, which I won't, that time has gone to waste. The utilitarian value of using those weapons gets nullified if you have to pour extra hours into remaxing them. I'd be devoting twice the time to leveling the same exact weapons, because of some arbitrary progress reset brought on by the DLC. PEACE.
Been through the raid a couple of times since my first newbie run, but I'd like to take my Titan through for the first time if there is a spot.
PSN: FenixOne
Goblin farts are the worst.
LollipoPReapeR
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Heh a lot of things from bungie would be helpful, but they don't seem to be doing what we want now do they?
Even forgetting this fiasco, I wonder what they'll fuck up with bugs patching in the expansion (or however it happens)
ArkkAngel007
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Think I've ran a Newbie Raid with you before Hawk, but I'll be an alt if you don't get enough newer players.
Putting myself out there for those who want Nightfall/Xyor assistance on Thursday, starting at 8AM Eastern Time. Will also be willing to jump in Friday if needed since I have the strike exotic bounty to complete.
Edit: PS4. PSN ArkkAngel007.
No, I meant new players. I was using the extremes at both ends of the spectrum.
The rest of your post is pretty absurd: because we got to enjoy something we invested a lot of time into earning, it's ok that we have to repeat that grind to start enjoying them again?
Incredible.
They also decrease the rep gains without any mention on top of that unless they did in one of their updates.
Very few actually.
LollipoPReapeR
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You have to jump into a little alleyway half way up the pillar on the back right (from spawn and closest to it) then from that alley jump onto a ledge on the back right pillar. I can't really remember more to give a better description sorry haha
Sword Of Doom
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They really don't make any sense. I did the hard Templar fight three times last night and some random stuff was happening that seemed like bugs. I died once out of nowhere when two harpies behind me began shooting me. It was almost instant. I just died out of nowhere. Then with another character (both level 30) I was inside a detain bubble standing still as was my team mate and we both just died. We were standing still, not running or jumping.
Qwell
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lol, so true. Most of the NPCs are so underused and they all sell you stuff. Literally zero other functions.
the_log_ride
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Deku, did you guys end up running a flawless raid attempt today?
Jest Chillin
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It doesn't validate getting the new ones, it makes the new ones a viable option to try out. Otherwise, the new gear just becomes an afterthought because it's not as viable initially and as people put more time into their current stuff over the new stuff it becomes less and less viable.
Again, that's why the design of these games is referred to as a "treadmill." You put in a lot of effort but at the end you don't really go anywhere. The reward you get for doing it is a tangible increase in power. Some people like that. If you didn't have to work to increrase the power then there's no point in increasing the power. So you don't increase the power and instead, new stuff would be the same level as the old stuff. That's Horizontal Progression. But with Horizontal Progression, challenge is harder to create. People eat through content faster and thus content has to be provided faster to keep people engaged. It's a very difficult thing to accomplish.
Did this raid fill up? I got you on my FL, faded. I got a Titan that can run it. You can invite me now if you're already setting up a squad. If you're full, invite me if somebody drops.
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