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[TheTylerDurden]

Oh yeah! I forgot about that. Finals Week is really screwing me up.

All right then - just don't give me a hard time That's "you know who's" job.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

This is stupid, I want to use the shiny new exotics, but then I remember that if I am to upgrade them all the progress I got on them will be for nothing. My exotics are all gonna have to be on hold until I upgrade them, or Bungie changes their mind about the progression reset. This seriously blows.

i don't care about that honestly. I got a gjallarhorn and I'm upgrading it. What if Xur doesn't have what I need to get it to the new cap? Not gonna wait forever

 

[JohnOfMars]

The scariest thing is that Xur, the bastard who has sold Voidvang vestments 6/12 times and Sunbreakers 4/12 times is going to decide what I get to upgrade.

Xur is a fantastic addition to the game when he's used as an alternative to RNG. But as a requirement? GTFO.

That's what's so crappy about DeeJ saying it's "elective". Xur decides when you can. If you decide you want to keep your maxed, perked Exotic one more week and skip Xur. He may *never* offer it again. Just like Gjallarhorn. Week 2 and then never again.

 

[Orthogonal]

I hope Deej or Bungie can elaborate on the upgrade philosophy in general. We all want to know what to expect going forwatd, not just with The Dark Below, but with Expansion II. A consistent and predictable upgrade system would alleviate a lot of anxiety. We don't want to go through this again in 3 months with another monkey wrench drastically changing the progression system.

 

[E92 M3]

Oh, believe you me, there were far less interesting paths on the table!

I've read a lot of great suggestions from the community in the past hours. Many of them are, in fact, paths we explored. Sometimes there are technical dead ends, and often there are other "oh shit" issues to consider that only become apparent as we spin up a build and play it ourselves.

But, I tend to shy away from digging too deeply into the "hey, making games is really hard" path with players, because honestly why should you care about the challenges? Makes for a cool story, maybe, but ultimately doesn't change how you experience Destiny.

Hmm, I am genuinely curious what the issues were with allowing maxed out exotics to gain exp at double the pace? Or just adding extra nodes that require a big chunk of exp? Anyway we can get a breakdown of the issues were?

 

[squidhands]

DeeJ will cover this in more depth, and he'll have a few more things to talk about, too.

Based on the new pic of Xur floating around, I'm pretty curious to know what's going to be happening with Motes of Light. No more Exotic Engrams?

 

[shem935]

I wish they would just do away with the rotating slots for exotic upgrades. Xur should sell a "Shard of the traveler" and now you gun or armor has higher light stats because it contains that much more light.

 

[rNilla]

Assuming the DLC is available when the reset happens, I might just get up at 5 or 6 AM and go HAM until my eyes shrivel up.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

The scariest thing is that Xur, the bastard who has sold Voidvang vestments 6/12 times and Sunbreakers 4/12 times is going to decide what I get to upgrade.

Xur is a fantastic addition to the game when he's used as an alternative to RNG. But as a requirement? GTFO.

That's what's so crappy about DeeJ saying it's "elective". Xur decides when you can. If you decide you want to keep your maxed, perked Exotic one more week and skip Xur. He may *never* offer it again. Just like Gjallarhorn. Week 2 and then never again.

Yup that's the issue right? Will Xur ever bring it back? Comments like that from Deej really make me feel like they don't even play the game


Edit** I would have to disagree with Xur being a fantastic addition to the game. The more I play the game and the more exotic loot I get the more I realize Xur should not exist. I just got Gjallarhorn this week and I was so excited to get it. After all this time it was an amazing feeling. If I had bought Gjallarhorn from Xur I would never have experienced that. It was the opposite with TLW. I Bought it from Xur and a week later it dropped for me after Nightfall. If Xur had never sold it that would have been an amazing moment as well

 

[xplicitone]

Hey Urk thanks for stopping by:

The Good changes:
New Exotic balancing brought by the last update
Fixing the X1 party lag issue
Allowing materials to be purchased
More frequent public events
Last Iron Banner was awesome
More ways to get materials
Not needing shards/energy for exotics (Minus exotic shard)
More bounty spaces
The new sparrow

The bad changes:
Old legendary's becoming outdated (i.e. AE, Fatebringer, etc)
New exotic attack buff process (Having to re-level weapons)
Crucible/Vanguard Commendations
Using Xur as the method of upgrading old exotics

What changes I think should be considered:
More vault space that can be purchased with either strange coins/motes of light
Larger weekly cap for vanguard/crucible marks
Larger amount of marks that can be held (aka more than 200 at a time)
Have Xur stay Sunday as well

Just my opinion!

Sincerely,

BondFancy

No, definitely don't "purchase" vault space. It's too darn small as is! Should be free, just like more bounty space which was great. But everything else, I agree with completely.

I don't believe they haven't heard of more vault space. If they were truly reading this all, they'd know tons of people have been wanting it for quite some time.

-- I also want a better means of getting more glimmer. I haven't been able to hit above 3k after IB 2.0. In the Alpha, glimmer was really nice and they dumbed it down during the beta and beyond. Please make glimmer more accessible and raise the cap so we don't waste the next Iron Banner farming glimmer.
-- Also, why is glimmer shared between characters but nothing else is? I'd like my chars to have their own bank of glimmer since they have their own marks and everything else.

 

[squadr0n]

Hey DestinyGaf! Its been awhile, almost a full 60 days since I last touched Destiny. Havent installed an update since the one before the revamped Iron Banner Event. This might have already been asked but didnt see it anywhere, but is there a place I can go to find out exactly what changes I need the figure out. Just a list of something with the canges and what that actually means to a player lol.

In other words, if anyone is still playing that might remember me ill be on in a few hours tonight after the updates install.

Edit: wait i think the guy above me answered my question before I posted

 

[Pickman]

Hey urk, I don't usually do the gratuitous fellating of the industry thing, but I do want to say thanks for helping make something I enjoy. For all the griping and complaining, I keep coming back to Destiny because I consistently have fun when I play it with my friends.

So, yeah. You guys don't get to hear it enough I'd imagine, so thanks.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

DeeJ will address with his aforementioned bullshit. Get in the mood!

Should we be in a romantic feeling loved mood, or is the just give in and take what is coming type of mood?

 

[shem935]

Hard raid anyone? Shem0275 PS4

 

[Sofa King]

I can't promise we'll get to every individual's personal feedback, but I can pretty much guarantee that nearly every perspective is being represented by a player advocate, a piece of data, or an anecdotal experience inside Bungie. We've made a commitment to gather behavior data from the player base and scour forums and communities for insight. We have multiple meetings daily and weekly specifically focused on reviewing and prioritizing requested features. I believe we're now up to 12 patches/updates in three months time. We're investing time and real money to make the game better. Keep letting us know what you love, and where you think we can do better.

I hadn't heard the request for more vault space before, tho, so that's a bit of a surprise (not really).

Make a lot of people happy and have Xur sell the Gjallahorn this week. Can't imagine just how much joy that would bring to the masses!

More vault space is a must.

 

[realcZk]

Urk, I dont know if Deej will touch on this topic but do you know if PS exclusive exotics like Hawkmoon will be upgradeable for TDB content?

^ Would be good to know since Xur doesn't currently appear to sell PS exclusives, likely because of how his loot table works cross-platform. "Upgrade Equipped Exotics" could check YOUR personal loot table to determine, unless its some global choice (which worries me).

 

[Liquidsnake]

Does someone have a color shield break down?

Arc
Solar
Void?

What color are the shields?

 

[squidhands]

Hey DestinyGaf! Its been awhile, almost a full 60 days since I last touched Destiny. Havent installed an update since the one before the revamped Iron Banner Event. This might have already been asked but didnt see it anywhere, but is there a place I can go to find out exactly what changes I need the figure out. Just a list of something with the canges and what that actually means to a player lol.

In other words, if anyone is still playing that might remember me ill be on in a few hours tonight after the updates install.

Edit: wait i think the guy above me answered my question before I posted

first thing on the first page, friendo.

 

[thaOwner]

Hard raid anyone? Shem0275 PS4

Just sent you a request.

edit: lol thought you had a full squad ? We can try and get more people. Need two more for hard raid guys.

 

[TheTylerDurden]

Does someone have a color shield break down?

Arc
Solar
Void?

What color are the shields?

arc is blue
solar is yellow
void is purple

 

[GhaleonEB]

Oh, believe you me, there were far less interesting paths on the table!

I've read a lot of great suggestions from the community in the past hours. Many of them are, in fact, paths we explored. Sometimes there are technical dead ends, and often there are other "oh shit" issues to consider that only become apparent as we spin up a build and play it ourselves.

But, I tend to shy away from digging too deeply into the "hey, making games is really hard" path with players, because honestly why should you care about the challenges? Makes for a cool story, maybe, but ultimately doesn't change how you experience Destiny.

I think you underestimate how interesting some behind the scenes nuggets would be, particularly when it comes to explaining how certain design decisions came to be. Part of what's lacking with a lot of the changes is the "why" part of the process. Often it's self apparent, but sometimes....less so. Would love to peek behind the curtain a bit.

 

[IXIKelsonIXI]

Does someone have a color shield break down?

Arc Blue
Solar Orange
Void? Purple

What color are the shields?

Fixed!

 

[E92 M3]

Does someone have a color shield break down?

Arc
Solar
Void?

What color are the shields?

Blue
Red
Purple

 

[The Lamonster]

DeeJ will address with his aforementioned bullshit. Get in the mood!

 

[commish]

Trying to think about what I would buy from Xur tomorrow. Given the changes, I think the only Exotic that I don't have that I would definitely buy is Ice Breaker. It's really the only gun I'm craving and don't have. Would probably pick up the Red Death actually.

It's confirmed he is not going to sell either the PS exclusives or the bounty exotics, right?

Might as well buy any exotic weapon that comes up that you don't have. You never know what might get buffed in the future.

 

[LordofPwn]

Should we be in a romantic feeling loved mood, or is the just give in and take what is coming type of mood?

What is love?

 

[LollipoPReapeR]

Does someone have a color shield break down?

Arc - blue
Solar - orange
Void? - purple

What color are the shields?

You don't already know?

 

[spyder_ur]

Yeah that's fine. Once atheon is dead I will see what time it is and make a call if I can do second raid or not.

Does everyone or most have relic experience? As that could be the hardest part

I have some, but I was feeling very squishy as a 29 yesterday. I'm mixed on a second full hard raid (especially since there is no hope it will get me to 30), but I think I am needed for the Gatekeeper checkpoint.

 

[Lima]

So after thinking things through a bit I calmed down. I want to apologize for some harsh comments I made towards you guys at Bungie. That was in the heat of the moment.

Like I know myself too well that once the DLC hits I will be back in this game day and night and do it like a professional porn star. Get down on my knees and swallow that load.

 

[Lalalandia]

What is love?

Baby don't hurt me, no more

 

[LollipoPReapeR]

What is love?

edit: beaten like the empire

 

[shem935]

Just sent you a request.

edit: lol thought you had a full squad ? We can try and get more people. Need two more for hard raid guys.

Ha sorry should have made that clear.

Hard Raid

1. Shem0275
2. Gen_hof
3.
4.
5.
6.

 

[coy]

Glad to see urk in here.

You'd be the sixth. We'd just need an alt (or two.)

Sweet! At work for 5 more hours but if planning gets started, feel free to PM me or on PSN.

 

[Liquidsnake]

arc is blue
solar is yellow
void is purple

Its hard for me to distinguish blue from purple.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

What is love?

I dunno, I've been married too long. Stockholm syndrome and all that ;P

(Both to Destiny and in life)

 

[rNilla]

Baby don't hurt me, no more

 

[Bizazedo]

I appreciate the feedback. The fact that you're taking time to respond on a forum is giving me confidence you guys will do the right thing. I know Bungie is a huge organization now compared to the old days and in huge organizations the movement of information and change is sometimes slowed down. Either way, we are all looking forward to positive changes.

Agreed (for the most part). Thanks for posting, Urk.

Also, E92 has been leading the charge to have the Mythoclast nerfed again. It's causing people to pine for it despite the expac coming up, so you should look into this. I was against it, but thinking about it, I might be being swayed to his position....

Spoiler

 

[noomi]

I should be able to start playing by around 8:30 am that day (because I have to pretend like I'm going to work or my wife will want to take off to spend time with me... yuck.) I am assuming as long as one of unlocks whatever prerequisites there are, we'll be able to join them on it.

8:30am is fine for me (EST right?). If I'm up early I can start some of the Eric missions if we need them for raid.

 

[TheTylerDurden]

Its hard for me to distinguish blue from purple.

The purple is the darker of two cooler toned colours. The blue borders on a blue/white when seen in a shield. Hopefully that helps somewhat?

 

[LiK]

I like Urk

 

[LordofPwn]

Baby don't hurt me, no more

no more?

 

[E92 M3]

edit: beaten like the empire

lol

Agreed (for the most part). Thanks for posting, Urk.

Also, E92 has been leading the charge to have the Mythoclast nerfed again. It's causing people to pine for it despite the expac coming up, so you should look into this. I was against it, but thinking about it, I might be being swayed to his position....

Spoiler

Lol - nothing will separate me from my treasured Mythoclast again.

 

[phen0m24]

Get in the mood!

Urk it would be amazing if a compromise was reached on the re upgrading.

If you bring a maxed weapon to Xur you pay a minimal fee - say 3 coins (considering the time you've spent maxing it) to be granted that last row of damage bubbles to fill.

An unmaxed costs a bit more, but you get a modifier like +25% damage buff for 2 days to help you with that blank screen of bubbles.

Man I love the game and love playing with these GAFers, many of whom are exceptional at the game and very passionate. I am a single dad and my spare time? You're looking at it.
I really don't want to re-level what I've leveled. This isn't us asking to play "not as intended," It's more a function of "please consider our time. "

Thanks for reading!

 

[coy]

So after thinking things through a bit I calmed down. I want to apologize for some harsh comments I made towards you guys at Bungie. That was in the heat of the moment.

Like I know myself too well that once the DLC hits I will be back in this game day and night and do it like a professional porn star. Get down on my knees and swallow that load.

It takes some cojones to admit fault with oneself. You have done this spectacularly!

 

[Vereataes]

People interested in launch day raid.

Macello
Gdt
Messiek
ComputerMKII
Tw1st

There you go ^-^

I'm off that day too. 30 hunter
psn Arassuil

 

[Ikkarus]

Ha sorry should have made that clear.

Hard Raid

1. Shem0275
2. Gen_hof
3.
4.
5.
6.

I'm in. Level 30 Hunter. PSN = Ikkarus.

 

[figadapaura]

Hmm. I should set up a Fireteam for the new missions and strikes on Tuesday.

I'll be doing them.

 

[shem935]

I'm in. Level 30 Hunter. PSN = Ikkarus.

Hard Raid

1. Shem0275
2. Gen_hof
3. Ikkarus
4. Dienekes21
5.
6.

 

[MagnetoWasRight]

8:30am is fine for me (EST right?). If I'm up early I can start some of the Eric missions if we need them for raid.

Yep, all EST.

 

[Doomshroom]

Had one of them lucky raids you only read about on Gaf. I got boots, helmet, sniper, read death and HAWKMOON! ( sharded everything but the hawkmoon)