The Lamonster
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What about the MIDA needs to be buffed?
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I'd be willing to bet that it's over 300 damage as of the patch today. I'm expecting something like 310-320ish. Bungie said they wanted to make it viable for the new raid, which begins at level 30 on normal and presumably contains enemies of level 31 (maybe 32) near the end.
Triple Oceans
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Yea I agree with this (well except for the MIDA) and think it would make sense.
Definitely, but I love my fusion rifles. So Mytho is something I enjoy using a lot. That said, I have my other favorites.
Give it a little more impact I think. Besides the mobility buff, it is a bit underwhelming.
death4romabove22
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MagnetoWasRight
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He listed random exotic under Atheon.
Those are covered under "Random Exotic Weapon"
The MIDA is pretty solid as-is, but it doesn't have anything really unique or special, it just has a lot of "good" things. Faster agility, third eye, fastest RoF for a scout rifle, etc. It's all of these things combined that make it great. I still think there's room for improvement for sure, but it's not bad by any means. Considering the current state of many other exotics, a MIDA buff would be a lower priority on my list. Admittedly, I'll use a VoC over the MIDA for 99% of PvE tasks aside from mat farming, in which I think the MIDA's speed boost is pretty helpful there.
The Vision of Confluence is better in every way.
Impact, has an element, stability. It's also just legendary rarity so you don't waste an exotic slot.
I felt terrible the other night when Ice Breaker dropped in raid for me. I wasn't just estatic, I was gloating. "Ohhh did you see that? I got an Ice Breaker! I finally got an Ice Breaker! This gun is going to be amaaaaazing!"
After I realized I'd lost control of my mouth in my excitement, it got really quiet, and my buddy (29 lock with way more play time than me) just says, "Man, fuck your Ice Breaker."
A good laugh afterward and all was well.
I'm glad I did. I own every single exotic on that list.You lucked out! Plan C was the only thing I had to snag up, still haven't got a chance to use it yet though. Been getting destroyed by it in PvP (along with <insert fusion rifle here>)
Blame the guys who killed Athean in under a minute. They showed the world how godly that weapon is.
Bungie will never put that on sale ever again.
I don't know. That's why I asked. A friend I play with was rolling with it the other night and told me that it would shoot through Titan bubbles. I haven't tried it. Hard Light has just been rotting in my vault forever.
The Lamonster
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Good to know. I've been rocking MIDA for weeks but got VoC just last night.
grimlock33
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OK, well I'll be around most of the day. My psn is the same as forum name.
Have one more run of weekly heroic to do if anyone wants to team up.
Really looking to fill out the raid team however. But will settle for HM oracles/Templar
scarletham
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Has the patch hit yet? Any notes?
Just because raid weapons are legendary doesn't mean they should be out-performed by exotics. The raid is the hardest end-game content that Destiny has to offer, and the raid weapons should definitely be amongst the best rewards in the game. VoG has shown us that it's legendary arsenal is pretty damn impressive (Fatebringer, Praedyths, VoC), and they have elemental damage attributes to boot.
Exotics should be great, but really shine over other weapons in certain niches/situations. They should be able to augment or change a playstyle in ways that legendary weapons may not be able to. That being said, many current exotics obviously fail to live up to that. I think Hawkian has shown what works well in the OT with his build randomizer. Judging by the upcoming changes to exotics, we are about to see even more crazy perks and build potential.
When we look at primary exotics that have elemental damage types, we only see one (Vex Mythoclast). I know a lot of people feel that primary exotics should have elemental damage attributes, but I'm still not sure if it's even necessary. Giving the raid weapons elemental damage types helps make them more viable in situations where you want to use an exotic special/heavy, and encourages you to use exotics in other slots. For a special gun like the Mythoclast, I think it's deserving of the solar burn.
Destiny has an arsenal that promotes frequent change. You can really switch your build up for different situations and encounters to get the very most out of every situation, with the gear you have.
Exotics should be great, but really shine over other weapons in certain niches/situations. They should be able to augment or change a playstyle in ways that legendary weapons may not be able to. That being said, many current exotics obviously fail to live up to that. I think Hawkian has shown what works well in the OT with his build randomizer. Judging by the upcoming changes to exotics, we are about to see even more crazy perks and build potential.
When we look at primary exotics that have elemental damage types, we only see one (Vex Mythoclast). I know a lot of people feel that primary exotics should have elemental damage attributes, but I'm still not sure if it's even necessary. Giving the raid weapons elemental damage types helps make them more viable in situations where you want to use an exotic special/heavy, and encourages you to use exotics in other slots. For a special gun like the Mythoclast, I think it's deserving of the solar burn.
Destiny has an arsenal that promotes frequent change. You can really switch your build up for different situations and encounters to get the very most out of every situation, with the gear you have.
Jinjo
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That sounds so familiar. Only with Gjallarhorn in my case. I've had people say to me: "how about you stick those three Gjallarhorns up your own ass Jinjo". This game makes people salty lol.
I've said similar things to other people too.
Exotics should flat out be better. I have an absurd amount of playtime in this game (like 20 days) and I don't have some exotics yet. They're not easy to get and you can only equip one. They should be the best choice. The raid weapons are the easiest to get in the game as they have dedicated sources to drop from. I agree that raid weapons should be good, but they should not be better than exotics. You should not have to equip certain armor with certain perks to make a weapon viable either. Just because you can make something work doesn't mean it's good.
Sniper McBlaze
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What's so bad about Hard Light? Looks like an awesome version of Shingen-E to me. I love richocheting bullets.
Oh, first I hear of this. Did bungie come out and say that? I thought previous speculation was normal 28 / hard 32.
Off the top of my head (havent bothered using it since I finished maxing it), shit dmg and stability.
Me too tought it started at 28 for some reason.Kinds locks alot of people out specialy if someone plays only weekends or has litle time.
Sniper McBlaze
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Saw a video and that gun had such shit stability you'd think Michael J Fox was shooting.
Well, I won't disagree with you there. I wasn't trying to argue one way over the other, just putting my thoughts out there. The Ice Breaker is a great example of a good exotic, being "flat-out better" than any other sniper in the game, even the raid sniper in my opinion. The ability to regenerate ammo and it's hard hitting rounds outshine the RoF and low recoil of the Praedyth's for most PvE content.
I see what you're saying about the raid weapons. Once you can master the content, you have a mathematically higher probability to get them than any other exotic weapons in the game. What I was really trying to convey is that I feel raid weapons NEED the elemental damage and should be damn good weapons in order to stand in the place of an exotic weapon when you inevitably switch up your build. Depending on how an exotic is crafted, I feel like it doesn't really need that elemental damage attribute.
Yep, starts at level 30 on normal. It was said that there will be a predictable and non-rng way to get your characters into Crota's End if you aren't there yet, word on the street is you can purchase gear from Eris that has the potential to get to light level 31. For level 32, you'll need raid gear.
I'm on the fence. I have a lot of legendaries that need ass mats to hit 300, but I'm not sure what to do with them in light of the new DLC/level caps. It may just be a waste to level anything that isn't an exotic (we're pretty sure those are upgradeable somehow, but we don't know about legendaries yet).
EL CUCO
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The Lamonster
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alright, it's 8am in Bungieland...let's get this show on the road
Sniper McBlaze
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How does this sound as an exotic perk to you:
Rainbow bullets = Every bullet you shoot is a random elemental (kinetic, solar, arc or void).
Rainbow bullets = Every bullet you shoot is a random elemental (kinetic, solar, arc or void).
ThirtyPlus
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I have a shadow price that is a better weapon than hard light in pvp and pve before factoring in legendary flexibility vs. exotic.
HawksWinStanley
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Sniper McBlaze
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It also makes the gun very versatile! Especially if it's a primary with a high rate of fire.
Crimson_Gold
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It'll only fire the elements that are not the nightfall or weekly burn. It's the only way
Byron Bluth
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I doubt we will see anything until 12pm EST here or later.
I'm looking forward to this thread exploding and the entertainment while I am at work.
I just want the new farming economy, so I can get my Warlock to 30, and then the circle will be complete as he joins my 30 Titan and 30 Hunter.
Nah, the best weapon in the game should be something we worked hard for, not a symbol of RNG, luck and cheese, that's all the Mythoclast is currently.
Sounds dope lol Would be more unique than most exotics we have now too.
Although maybe take out the randomness. It should fire in a set pattern for true rainbow effect.
LollipoPReapeR
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Wow.... I guess you could say that this gun is our..... Destiny
Funny thought:
What if Thorn had an additional aspect to Mark of the Devourer that lets you heal teammates by shooting them using a small HoT (heal over time) with friendly fire, and still having the regular DoT on enemies. It wouldn't stack but could save your teammates from things like burns, near death. Could be ever so subtle in PvP but enough to make a difference with a skilled shot...now that would be fun lol.. you'd have to micromanage heals with your slow reload speed and low number of bullets per magazine.
Too bad you can't see fireteam member's health bars in this game, that would be a helpful addition for all PvE content (knowing when to bubble for your team, positioning, etc)
What if Thorn had an additional aspect to Mark of the Devourer that lets you heal teammates by shooting them using a small HoT (heal over time) with friendly fire, and still having the regular DoT on enemies. It wouldn't stack but could save your teammates from things like burns, near death. Could be ever so subtle in PvP but enough to make a difference with a skilled shot...now that would be fun lol.. you'd have to micromanage heals with your slow reload speed and low number of bullets per magazine.
Too bad you can't see fireteam member's health bars in this game, that would be a helpful addition for all PvE content (knowing when to bubble for your team, positioning, etc)
scarletham
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Pretty much only if it's a primary with high rate of fire. Even then, it's going to be countered with low impact (Atheon's Epilogue), and the shots that happen to randomly have the element you're interested in will be insignificant.
robertsan21
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I am one of those guys that just play the game without really caring about stats all that much.
unless I am playing nightfall or raid and I know a certain burn deals extra damage.
I would like to ask you guys about a superb build for a hunter and warlock.
Primary weapon: Autorifle, I have most of them, vex mythoclas"solar" and a fatebringer"arc" build.
exotic slot will go to gjallarhorn or a legendary if using mythoclast
Any good setups for these?
unless I am playing nightfall or raid and I know a certain burn deals extra damage.
I would like to ask you guys about a superb build for a hunter and warlock.
Primary weapon: Autorifle, I have most of them, vex mythoclas"solar" and a fatebringer"arc" build.
exotic slot will go to gjallarhorn or a legendary if using mythoclast
Any good setups for these?
WonderCheese
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Just for additional confirmation that the new raid starts at level 30 for normal, and that 30 can be reached in the expansion without VoG gear:
ComputerMKII
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I hope you're not being serious here.
Last thing this game needs is more bullet sponge.
Triple Oceans
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If you're intrested, I have myself and two others wanting to do a normal raid.
Byron Bluth
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Just for additional confirmation that the new raid starts at level 30 for normal, and that 30 can be reached in the expansion without VoG gear:
Yes this was posted and confirmed yesterday, Luke commented here as well for some clarification. It seems the non-RNG gear may even get you to 31.
In the interview a while back with Bungie CEO Harold Ryan, he said it would be unlocked "over-time", but urk and luke have said recently that it'll be available launch day 12/9.
Byron Bluth
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That was the Eurogamer interview about a month ago, Luke confirmed by posting here on NeoGaf and on Twitter that it will launch on the 9th.
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