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[Alucrid]

Bungie should buff the Word of Crota - it's a very underwhelming HC. The impact should at LEAST be the same as the Fatebringer. Don't know how such a mediocre weapon made it to be a hard Crota drop.

i feel like most of the hard weapon drops are pretty mediocre

 

[Pound_lb003]

No it won't.

Nothing specific to announce at this time, but the mistakes we made with the DLC1 reward economy will not be repeated:

Mistakes like:

• Vendor gear invalidating the effort of VOG Raiders
• Upgrading an Exotic reseting its talents

Our philosophy about rewards/loot continue to evolve as we see how players play and react.

We will continue to improve acquisition stories and frequency (My understanding of the perception is that Crota's End drop rates are much improved vs. Vault of Glass: footnote below), lessen the grind and get players to the fun parts of their arsenal faster.


On CE drop rates vs. VOG:
The Forever 29 meme was a killer for us.

We sat down and talked about the rewards for VoG and the rates vs. CE and ended up with the following:

• increase drop rates globally in CE: we wanted dedicated players to be around 32 or real close by the time Hard mode came out.
• increase the variability of perks that a given piece can roll.
  the goal here: players would reach 32 easier than 30, but would have more customization and options to build the perfect set (in terms of stats, perks, weapon affinities)

The part where this didn't work as well as we'd hoped is with the Shard economy. Shards are a are a barrier between you and equipping a sweet new piece of gear.

We want fewer barriers to equipping upgrades. The shard economies erect these barriers between players and the new piece of gear they just got.

We're not intending to adjust the shard economy for this Tier -- we don't want to invalidate player effort (again). But removing the barrier between that new drop you're excited to get and actually being able to equip it as a member of your arsenal are something we will do going forward.

Already lost me. I won't come back because of this. I've been told my raid gear is useless and that's just stupid.

How you guys ever thought this balance was good is beyond me. It should have got better with the DLC, not worse.

 

[Deku Tree]

i feel like most of the hard weapon drops are pretty mediocre

The Fang is legit.

 

[brau]

Anyone running the lamps through death singer on HM?

I jumped in at a crota checkpoint, but never ran the first part of the raid.

Or a full normal raid?

whats your psn or add me.

glottis8

 

[GhaleonEB]

Just about everyone hates pulse rifles. The whole class needs a buff.

Okay, it's not just me. :lol

I'm going back to scouts. It's kind of a BR to DMR comparison in Halo. In a PvE context at least, the former had no advantages against the latter. If they packed more punch at a penalty to range and accuracy - kind of a middle ground between auto rifles and scouts - then I could see them working. But yea, right now, they feel disposable.

 

[Steroyd]

OMG what!?

I play Firebase Delphi, people threw themselves on point A throughout the entire match so I defend it like crazy, team wins, get a salty message saying that I'm a camper.

The game mode is called C O N T R O L. There's a defensive element to it, I don't even...

 

[Zok310]

No it won't.

Nothing specific to announce at this time, but the mistakes we made with the DLC1 reward economy will not be repeated:

Mistakes like:

• Vendor gear invalidating the effort of VOG Raiders
• Upgrading an Exotic reseting its talents

Our philosophy about rewards/loot continue to evolve as we see how players play and react.

We will continue to improve acquisition stories and frequency (My understanding of the perception is that Crota's End drop rates are much improved vs. Vault of Glass: footnote below), lessen the grind and get players to the fun parts of their arsenal faster.


On CE drop rates vs. VOG:
The Forever 29 meme was a killer for us.

We sat down and talked about the rewards for VoG and the rates vs. CE and ended up with the following:

• increase drop rates globally in CE: we wanted dedicated players to be around 32 or real close by the time Hard mode came out.
• increase the variability of perks that a given piece can roll.
  the goal here: players would reach 32 easier than 30, but would have more customization and options to build the perfect set (in terms of stats, perks, weapon affinities)

The part where this didn't work as well as we'd hoped is with the Shard economy. Shards are a are a barrier between you and equipping a sweet new piece of gear.

We want fewer barriers to equipping upgrades. The shard economies erect these barriers between players and the new piece of gear they just got.

We're not intending to adjust the shard economy for this Tier -- we don't want to invalidate player effort (again). But removing the barrier between that new drop you're excited to get and actually being able to equip it as a member of your arsenal are something we will do going forward.

Finally... between the commendation marks and all the shards the game now have in place getting rid of some of that requirement is a nod in the right direction. I have so many commendation points and i have nothing to spend them on, literally a waste of space.

Would be cool if we had a vendor in place where we can trade in useless economy items for glimmer or gear.

 

[Daemul]

I'm taking my newly created warlock through the story missions to level her, and I'm trying to dabble with different weapons to mix up my PvE play style a bit. My hunter tends to use scout rifles, sniper rifles and rocket launchers almost exclusively.

So far I'm using a mix of pulse rifles, fusion and sniper rifles, and machine guns in addition to rockets. I'm trying to understand the appeal of pulse rifles. From what I can tell, they have a bit less range than scouts, and thanks to the burst fire, seem a bit harder to land precision damage with. Against those cons, I can't find any advantages. Are there any? I prefer mid to long range combat, and am having a hard time figuring out where pulse rifles fit into the sandbox. They seem like a poor man's scout rifle.

Which Pulse Rifles are you using?

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Not on my Warlock, no. Missing HoC and Swordbreaker. Only really want the RL but the game loves to give me the damn sniper.

I had 5 I could have given you....

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Sorry, guys. My internet is fucking up. I'm hurrying.

 

[Karl2177]

I'm taking my newly created warlock through the story missions to level her, and I'm trying to dabble with different weapons to mix up my PvE play style a bit. My hunter tends to use scout rifles, sniper rifles and rocket launchers almost exclusively.

So far I'm using a mix of pulse rifles, fusion and sniper rifles, and machine guns in addition to rockets. I'm trying to understand the appeal of pulse rifles. From what I can tell, they have a bit less range than scouts, and thanks to the burst fire, seem a bit harder to land precision damage with. Against those cons, I can't find any advantages. Are there any? I prefer mid to long range combat, and am having a hard time figuring out where pulse rifles fit into the sandbox. They seem like a poor man's scout rifle.

They aren't that good. I'm fairly certain that the next balancing update will have a buff to them though. If you find one that you think is cool, I'd hang onto it until the level is obsolete.

 

[Rehsa]

Welp no weapons from Lamps or Bridge, but got the shards to hit 32 before Deathsinger

 

[phen0m24]

They aren't that good. I'm fairly certain that the next balancing update will have a buff to them though. If you find one that you think is cool, I'd hang onto it until the level is obsolete.

The raid one shoots full auto and is arc

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Down to help groups again later, Lv31s are fine.

I ran through VoG again today, connection was fine till gatekeepers, then suddenly everything started lagging. Going back to orbit fixed the issue.

Fireteam had 2 from East coast, 2 from UK, 1 from middle east and 1 from AU.

There's definitely nothing wrong with my connection, it's just Destiny servers crapping out.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Finally... between the commendation marks and all the shards the game now have in place getting rid of some of that requirement is a nod in the right direction. I have so many commendation points and i have nothing to spend them on, literally a waste of space.

Would be cool if we had a vendor in place where we can trade in useless economy items for glimmer or gear.

From my PoV, commendations were hands down the most stupidist idea so far. I can only assume they were to slow us down when it came to acquiring new gear and weapons. For me, what it did was make me skip the new gear altogether, and just wait to roll a good weapon. I'm going to get raid gear and nightfall loot anyway, why bother with vendor stuffs.

A whole ton of "content" that I couldn't buy when it may have been new and exiting, and by the time I could, I no longer had a use for.

Also, class mats are still an ongoing problem for me. I have a bunch of fun stuff that I want to level and try out, but I don't have the class mats to do so. I'm always hovering around 50 or so on both of my alts. Enough for a whopping two upgrade bubbles on one piece of gear.

 

[Definity]

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

 

[Jaleel]

Hit 32 and downed HM Crota in one afternoon. Love it! Got the Fang and Abyss rifle now. SWAGSWAGSWAG

 

[Sullichin]

From my PoV, commendations were hands down the most stupidist idea so far. I can only assume they were to slow us down when it came to acquiring new gear and weapons. For me, what it did was make me skip the new gear altogether, and just wait to roll a good weapon. I'm going to get raid gear and nightfall loot anyway, why bother with vendor stuffs.

A whole ton of "content" that I couldn't buy when it may have been new and exiting, and by the time I could, I no longer had a use for.

Also, class mats are still an ongoing problem for me. I have a bunch of fun stuff that I want to level and try out, but I don't have the class mats to do so. I'm always hovering around 50 or so on both of my alts. Enough for a whopping two upgrade bubbles on one piece of gear.

Commendations were a little annoying at first, but now I have more than I can possibly use because of the marks limit. There's also nothing I want to buy. It would be amazing if you could use them to reroll your weapons.

 

[stb]

Any HM VoG or Normal CE runs happening today?

Send me FR: berried_treasure

 

[Byron Bluth]

I wish they had raid bounties.

 

[Jaleel]

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

Most wanted wep from HM Crota and it delivers. Fast 26 damage headshots in crucible with FF, disorients wizards ( Omnigul included ) and more damage to hive majors. Fucking beast wep IMHO.

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Sadly I'd need the Templar CP itself. If anyone is doing a hard VoG run today let me know. I'm happy to help as long as I can switch out and save that CP on my Titan.

Sorry didn't see your post earlier, would have sent you an invite to grab the checkpoint...it's gone now :/

 

[Deku Tree]

What does the "disorient hive wizards" perk in the raid AR do exactly?

 

[PrivateWHudson]

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

The game won't give it to me, so I'm assuming it's pretty good.

 

[Definity]

Most wanted wep from HM Crota and it delivers. Fast 26 damage headshots in crucible with FF, disorients wizards ( Omnigul included ) and more damage to hive majors. Fucking beast wep IMHO.

Ahh cool, does that disorient perk proc very often?

The game won't give it to me, so I'm assuming it's pretty good.

ha! I feel the same way about black hammer. Game just will not give it to me.

What does the "disorient hive wizards" perk in the raid AR do exactly?

I think it works like a titan flash bang?

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

HM crota anyone? PSN is KINGofCRA5H-

 

[Kadey]

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

All Raid weapons are good for Nightfall type stuff. Best one is the scout rifle.

 

[Jaleel]

Ahh cool, does that disorient perk proc very often?



ha! I feel the same way about black hammer. Game just will not give it to me.

Was chain stunning Omnigul earlier. Seemed to happen quite often.

 

[Steroyd]

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

Surprisingly good, I write it off early but it is a viable auto rifle to use in the crucible plus it disorients wizards which is helpful.

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Also what the fuck is up with RNG?

100 sword of crota kills with hunter = no husk of the pit.

2nd kill with titan dropped husk.

My titan always gets raid armor faster than 2 x hunters, more legendary engrams and way more blue engrams from mobs than hunter.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

It won't let me join your party, Glottis. Keeps giving me an error.

 

[stb]

Sadly I'd need the Templar CP itself. If anyone is doing a hard VoG run today let me know. I'm happy to help as long as I can switch out and save that CP on my Titan.

I'd like to join a VoG run tonight if you're putting that together.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

Need 2 more for HM crota

 

[Deku Tree]

I now have 322 axiomatic beads for a rainy day in the vault.

 

[EroticSushi]

Need 2 more for HM crota

I'll join.

 

[plantedunicorn]

Man this heavy ammo glitch wouldn't be so annoying if heavy ammo dropped twice as much

 

[benicillin]

So many connection issues the last few days. Crota's End is fucking ridiculous.

 

[oSoLucky]

It's about to come to me bribing 5 people with green bar connections to get my other Crota kills.

 

[rNilla]

I wish they had raid bounties.

That would be a neat excuse to go back even after getting your drops for the week.

 

[Steroyd]

I now have 322 axiomatic beads for a rainy day in the vault.

Nice, I think I've only withdrew from the bank twice, I've made a habit of storing the other glimmer materials, so my axiom beads are truly a last resort.

 

[Steroyd]

Man this heavy ammo glitch wouldn't be so annoying if heavy ammo dropped twice as much

Yeah not even ruin wings is reliable enough to ofset the glitch, Bungie it's long overdue!

 

[cilonen]

Drassill and EroticSushi, thanks for the Roc train

Is cfc-Ryan a gaffer too?

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Find a sixth without me.

 

[tearsintherain]

i can confirm wearing a glowhoo and killing crota does NOT guarantee drop a crux, i had it on my 2nd warlock and we downed him and no crux. one guy had eidolon as his primary and was wearing glowhoo, another was using the white husk as his primary.

3 crota HM kills and i got 3 fang of ir yuts, oh well better than shards i guess still no helms seen.

 

[Byron Bluth]

That would be a neat excuse to go back even after getting your drops for the week.

Yes exactly. I did the HM 3 times for myself but then helped people numerous times. Me pull also be a nice way to stop constant cheese like if one bounty was to get all Fireteam members across the bridge.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

I'll join.

Did you just add me? I had 4 people join and leave the party for some reason and now I've lost track who was who

edit: nvm

We now need 3 more HM crota

 

[E92 M3]

Its a good epilogue replacement at least.

And that's not saying much

i feel like most of the hard weapon drops are pretty mediocre

Fang is legit.

What's the verdict on the auto rifle (abyss defiant) from hard mode?

It's freaking great!

 

[Byron Bluth]

Yeah not even ruin wings is reliable enough to ofset the glitch, Bungie it's long overdue!

Ruin wings and ensuring you change yor boots to a pair without the heavy ammo perk before the spawn countdown ends helps a lot for the Crota boss fight.

There is another method to spawn ammo as well but it isn't as simple.

 

[Jinjo]

this fucking guy

Deej effortlessly destroying Bungie's goodwill comment by comment. Here's a protip: if you don't have anything meaningful to say keep your mouth shut. Especially don't try to be smug about it. Figured he would have learned from the "player reaction is wrong"-incident. Urk gets it, why not this guy?

 

[xplicitone]

Thanks to Kadey for soloing the lamps and climbing the tower!!