It's part of the new HM mechanics.
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Destiny |OT17| 17th inning stretch
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It's part of the new HM mechanics.
Vendor gear, brah.
LollipoPReapeR
Member
I had a No Land Beyond waiting for me at te tower. Third frickin one this week.
On otherhand I finally have Oversoul Edict AND Fang of Ir Yut.
I don't know why but I still kinda want to crux... Even if I have no interest in necrochasm... Is that sane?
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MeisaMcCaffrey
:3 playing with you guys.
We will carry you through CE, don't bother with vendor gear (if you have it then it's nice). Get to 20, get some rare gear which should boost you to 27 light and get an exotic helmet too. If you are 29 or 30 or even 28, we can do CE
Dhruv_hanom
Member
Eghh not looking forward to hours of crucible :-\
but I guess I must
:3 playing with you guys.
We will carry you through CE, don't bother with vendor gear (if you have it then it's nice). Get to 20, get some rare gear which should boost you to 27 light and get an exotic helmet too. If you are 29 or 30 or even 28, we can do CE
Sounds like a plan
figadapaura
Member
I will still do NM for the ever illusive Black Hammer.
why not vanguard, and buy a helm from xurEghh not looking forward to hours of crucible :-\
but I guess I must
Sounds like a plan
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Hmm now that I think about it, that last Crota's end Hard mode raid went by smoothly. We had no lag even tho we had people from around the world playing..kinda wonder what induces the terrible lag sometimes.
Eghh not looking forward to hours of crucible :-\
but I guess I must
Sounds like a plan
Don't bother with Crucible, you can just do Vanguard Rocs instead. Way faster.
MagnetoWasRight
Member
Bungie has not said anything.
March 10th was from a presentation given at least last October, perhaps earlier (October is when the picture leaked.) They were plans, and could easily change, especially in light of feedback related to The Dark Below.
May 19th was dug up by changing the date in the game until the House of Wolves ex-pac showed up as being available. It could easily be a placeholder that will be patched. Remember, a lot of the Dark Below content was already in the game, but still needed a 2-3 GB patch a few weeks beforehand to put the rest of the content and tweaks in. That could still easily happen before March 10.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
gutterboy44
Member
What bums me out the most about the CE HM fight is there is no end goal for load outs. Other than getting a helm that gives healing orbs (there are exotic helms that do the same, so that isn't really unique to the raid), all the gear/weapons are moot. Not a single one of the CE Raid weapons are the most efficient to use in the CE raid. None of their raid specific perks influence the fight, especially the Crota battle, in a significant way. With VoG, weapons like Corrective Measure, Praetorian Foil, and Found Verdict made a huge impact on how easily you could get through the Atheon encounter, especially in VoG HM. The more you played, the better you got, the better weapons you got, and the easier the encounter became. This is a satisfying progression path and it is no where to be found in CE.
I am still having fun leveling VoG weapons up to see how much it changes the feel of that raid. Moreover, when the best weapon on VoG dropped, Vex (Fatebringer now), you felt like a fucking boss going back through the raid that you invested all of that time to master to get that ultimate drop. That is the grand reward, the drops and your acquired skill allowing you to finally make the entire raid your bitch.
For CE HM, Necrochasm is the "ultimate" drop and it is fucking terrible, full stop. You don't even feel like a boss on patrols, let alone CE HM. I haven't used a single CE raid weapon in the entire CE raid,both normal and hard. Fatebringer, Ice Breaker (or LDR-5001), and Horn is all I've needed. Sure if you are lucky enough to get the Hunger of Crota, that is a viable substitute, but most will opt for the Horn if they have it. Black Hammer is probably the most useful CE weapon, but it shines pretty much every where but CE. In strikes it is a god, in CE it is a bugged weapon that sits in your inventory. VoG weapons were so good, they are still worth getting and still awesome even at 300 attack. TDB made all of our VoG armor worthless, but it made our VoG weapons seem even better, despite them being statistically worse based on in game stats. How fucked is that?!
CE is an uninspired raid and CE HM is an absolute failure in my opinion. Last week's update that neglected to mention a single one of its massive short comings/glitches in CE HM, is a perfect example of how oblivious DeeJ/Bungie are to their players and how they play, or how they are intentionally ignoring us. CE HM isn't hard because it is "hard." It is hard because it is exercise of 6 people overcoming lag, boring encounters, glitches in almost every single Crota attempt, meager rewards and blowing through heavy ammo synths (or the alternative of wasting time exploiting Bungie's fuck-awful code for free heavy ammo) that represent one more stick poking us in the cage of the disastrous Destiny economy.
CE HM isn't about player skill, it is about your group not hitting their own enrage timers. It is more of a relief when it is done, not a satisfying victory. Whether it is pissing away glimmer in the form of synths, or passing hours with the feeling of zero progression, CE HM is broken and it in turn breaks us. All for what, the Necrochasm? Haha. HoW needs to knock it out of the fucking park, or this community is going to be, Guardian down, team revives disabled.
I am still having fun leveling VoG weapons up to see how much it changes the feel of that raid. Moreover, when the best weapon on VoG dropped, Vex (Fatebringer now), you felt like a fucking boss going back through the raid that you invested all of that time to master to get that ultimate drop. That is the grand reward, the drops and your acquired skill allowing you to finally make the entire raid your bitch.
For CE HM, Necrochasm is the "ultimate" drop and it is fucking terrible, full stop. You don't even feel like a boss on patrols, let alone CE HM. I haven't used a single CE raid weapon in the entire CE raid,both normal and hard. Fatebringer, Ice Breaker (or LDR-5001), and Horn is all I've needed. Sure if you are lucky enough to get the Hunger of Crota, that is a viable substitute, but most will opt for the Horn if they have it. Black Hammer is probably the most useful CE weapon, but it shines pretty much every where but CE. In strikes it is a god, in CE it is a bugged weapon that sits in your inventory. VoG weapons were so good, they are still worth getting and still awesome even at 300 attack. TDB made all of our VoG armor worthless, but it made our VoG weapons seem even better, despite them being statistically worse based on in game stats. How fucked is that?!
CE is an uninspired raid and CE HM is an absolute failure in my opinion. Last week's update that neglected to mention a single one of its massive short comings/glitches in CE HM, is a perfect example of how oblivious DeeJ/Bungie are to their players and how they play, or how they are intentionally ignoring us. CE HM isn't hard because it is "hard." It is hard because it is exercise of 6 people overcoming lag, boring encounters, glitches in almost every single Crota attempt, meager rewards and blowing through heavy ammo synths (or the alternative of wasting time exploiting Bungie's fuck-awful code for free heavy ammo) that represent one more stick poking us in the cage of the disastrous Destiny economy.
CE HM isn't about player skill, it is about your group not hitting their own enrage timers. It is more of a relief when it is done, not a satisfying victory. Whether it is pissing away glimmer in the form of synths, or passing hours with the feeling of zero progression, CE HM is broken and it in turn breaks us. All for what, the Necrochasm? Haha. HoW needs to knock it out of the fucking park, or this community is going to be, Guardian down, team revives disabled.
One exotic. Buy one vanguard boots. Do Eris urn quest to get 33 light gloves. Be level 27 with one Blue armor chest or helmet. Get someone to carry your 27 thru Crota normal abyss and bridge and hope for armor drops that you need (most likely chest at bridge). If you don't get the raid armor then do bounties every day and max out vanguard marks and buy vanguard gear that you need or try for CE raid luck next week.
It is. It will get buffed. Plus, completionism / Grimoire card?
LollipoPReapeR
Member
Anyone want to run NM CE fresh or HM Crota?
Dhruv_hanom
Member
Forgive my ignorance but do all vanguard strikes give the same marks?
Need to be at-least 24 for that. I'll have do some math and find out which vendor and gear combination gets me to 27 asap
figadapaura
Member
Yeah, I think Todd said he'd do it tonight as well. As long as it's a quick run.
I hate you.
Only raid weapon I don't have yet. ;_;
(pulse rifle doesn't count)
Sounds great. I'll add you now so I don't forget later. PSN is fadeddream.
Perhaps. But it's when he hits enrage the insta-kill happens. I've been a sword user and only got two hits in causing the enrage, and then dead.
gives you more Marks than Crucible per completion. you can get a lot fairly quickly by skipping through most of the Strikes.
figadapaura
Member
How long you been playing this game, Dhruv? There's only two kinds of marks lol.
Edit: oh the marks are tiered. The higher the level, the more marks you get.
Johan Liebert
Member
Bane of Dark Gods
Word of Crota
Icebreaker
meh. Only really need the Crux and HoC to be done with CE.
Word of Crota
Icebreaker
meh. Only really need the Crux and HoC to be done with CE.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Yes.. At Vanguard Rank 3 you get a comideation which is needed to get a Vanguard head piece or chest piece. You don't need a comideation for arms and legs. I also believe you get a comideation for every vanguard rank you level up after rank 3.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
Still waiting for my pet tiger i saw in a concept painting..
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Just saying I love how no one uses the song of ir yut's perk to shoot thro the wall of darkness. By the time you switch over to use it, the wall of darkness is gone. But yeah I agree with you. HoW's raid has to be good..with all the other games coming out soon.
Edit: your post was long. make it less scrolly
Dhruv_hanom
Member
I need 87 light to be level 27
36-Exotic gear
21* 3- rare gear
Totals to 63+36=99 which takes me to level 28.
Which means that I might just might be able to circumvent getting any gear from vendors
Heh yeah, should have written same amount of marks
figadapaura
Member
What part of the raid is Song of Ir Yut even useful on? Deathsinger? You should be ignoring all the Knights until she's dead anyway and after that you literally have all the time in the fucking world (or until you get booted).
Kor of Memory
Member
This constantly has me wondering if we aren't doing Crota the right way.
I see all these buffs pop up when Crota enrages and the Oversoul is summoned, and I can't help but feel like I'm supposed to deal with the Oversoul instead of play chicken with Crota for that last 10%.
I mean, we have all these perks for Oversoul, yet we spend the entire fight ignoring it. Just doesn't feel right, ya know?
Agent_Tiro
Member
Yeah, I think Todd said he'd do it tonight as well. As long as it's a quick run.
NM should be easy and quick for all 32s. I 4-manned Crota last week with Drizzay and Iraw and two other Gaffers and we weren't even playing serious.
DJ Lushious
Member
Agreed. It's the straw that has broken this camel's back. I will run Hard Mode CE every week, but if I can't down Crota after one group, I don't really bother trying to go back later to do it. My time is better spent elsewhere.
My regular group did really well last night, with Magic Ox substituting in. We got to Crota, but then, as usual, it's just smashing our head against the wall over and over again. Things go well, then one thing happens that throws the whole fight off-balance. I gave it my earnest effort and then had to crash, as I get up crazy early for work.
gutterboy44
Member
This was my first CE weapon, and I was so stoked to fully level it (foolish me). I figured, oh man, this thing is going to be so useful. All of those knights in CE are fucked! Nope, I tried it once an it was awful. So much of CE requires or is best done with rockets. There is no time or room to be fucking with a heavy machine gun, even one designed to shine in CE.
The Oversoul bonus perk needs to be replaced with doing more damage to Sword bearers. It would make so much more sense. Just like oracle disruptor. Helpful in Templar and Atheon. Sword bearer "disruptor" would be helpful at bridge and Crota.
I've never run Crota before, but if you're okay with that, I'm down. (If that's a problem, don't worry about it.) 31 Bladedancer Hunter with Don't Touch Me
PSN: RetroMG
figadapaura
Member
But by the time you kill the Oversoul and get Crota's shields down again, the sword could disappear and you're stuck in Enrage so it's a wipe. Ignoring it is the best option regardless.
I think the fact we HAVE to count how many hits to ensure a "smooth" run epitomises how boringly calculated everything is with everyone needing stick to their roles of doing nothing. The only tense moment is when enrage happens and that amounts to "stay off the middle ledge".
Jinjo
Member
Get to 27 with mostly rare gear + exotic, have some people carry you through first part of CE normal. Just try to go from mostly rare gear to CE raid gear instantly. Anything else is a waste of time and precious class mats.
Agent_Tiro
Member
Happy to take a 31 through it.
figadapaura
Member
I feel like was a better Swordbearer before I knew I could accidentally hit enrage in 2 swords. I don't want to have to count how many hits I'm doing.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Yeah I wanted that heavy at first but now mehh. Everything is such a bullet sponge..The oversoul will either be DPS to death or its a wipe.
31 is perfectly fine for NM.
you're too good. don't kill him too fast!
Sweet! Thanks.
I know I'm geared for it, (I've soloed the lamps with DTM,) but I figured since it's my first time, I should make sure people were aware of it.
Agent_Tiro
Member
I'm trying to get a nm group together. Interested? Got 3 names so far. You'd be the 4th.
LollipoPReapeR
Member
Fresh or Crota?
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MeisaMcCaffrey
As fig said, once Crota enrages it's basically an all or nothing situation. The only priority is to get his shields down so that the swordbearer kills him before the Oversoul causes a wipe.
Honestly, if someone dies during the HM Crota fight, it's just better to wipe instead of continuing with 5 people. The fight requires you to make no mistakes at all and if you mess up somewhere you're not going to be able to kill him.
So yeah, that Oversoul perk is useless IMO.
You can just see his health bar and guess how many hits you need. Sometimes a hit will not count if he glitches and then it will cause a wipe. I always go by the health bar.
Agent_Tiro
Member
Fresh full run.
LollipoPReapeR
Member
Ok. Inv me to party when everyone is ready
In the same way that Hunger is mini ghorn and better than most legendary rockets, Song should be a mini thunderlord better than most legendary machine guns. But nope. They kinda shit the bed with that gun.
Kor of Memory
Member
I did that because every seems to be acting a little burnt out. So it's time to take a little breather, get some fresh air, and then come back swinging.