Twilight Gap
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i always suck at jumping on my hunter after i play my warlock for a long time.
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Destiny |OT22| Game of Thorns
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Gold_Loot
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I just got that myself. . Hits like a truck in standard PvP.
Yeah I leveled up my 1st warlock this week. I'm in shock how different the jump is from my titan / hunter.
MrGreencastle
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Twilight Gap
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that feel when you're bunny hopping on your warlock and hit the tiniest piece of geometry and have your trajectory thrown off and wind up floating to your death down a hole.
for a class with so much recovery, they sure have a hard time saving themselves from bad jumps.
hunters with directional control jump >>>
the titan lift is good for speed and momentum but it still has the same problem as the glide.
Got 2 of those (solar and arc I think). they're pretty good too me
L33 warlock with 365 pri/ghorn. no offense if you pass on me for a L34
psn sandboxgod
(I did Qodron earlier this week with my L34 titan; I thought it was not too hard doing it legit)
Orthogonal
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Already did it in my Titan, have a 34 Warlock and Hunter
GalacticToast
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figadapaura
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Goodacre0081
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thebigmanjosh
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SlenderBeans
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Glide covers more horizontal space, doesn't it?
MrGreencastle
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I will probably take Orthagonal -- I wouldn't mind taking someone at 33, but we've already been at it an hour so I just wanna get it done with fast.
Yeah take you at least 1 bubble titan. We ran 2 bubble titans when I did it. So we had a BoL and WoL
Twilight Gap
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Only advantage with Hunter jump is that they can increase height after decreasing. Warlocks jump accelerate them in any direction. Catapult comes close, but not quite. The glide is just so much more versatile when you get used to how the timing of the second jump affects the horizontal trajectory. The longer you wait, the more "forward" you go versus up - and keeping the glide activated is not how to use it effectively 90% of the time unless you're going for a really high jump. Gotta space the timing and deactivate the jump at the right time with a third jump press to preserve momentum. Glide let's you ski jump. It works completely backwards to the Titan and Hunter jumps so most people are just terrible with it. It's all about the triple tap and bumper jumper with glide
the ski jump is exactly how i was using it. triple tap gives you a lot of horizontal speed so it's great for covering distances. hunters don't have the highest vertical jump nor the most horizontal jump. but they have the snappiest jump as far as weapon readiness and responsiveness goes. the other two classes are less equipped to fight while they're jumping. a hunter on the other hand can kill two players while jumping over a gap without ever touching the ground.
What's the God roll for Low Grade Humility? Hand Laid, I'm guessing? I keep getting shoot to loot and that seems like a lame perk, but maybe I'm wrong. I am, sometimes, short on special ammo in PvP.
Played a lot of crucible today and got this to drop for me. Along with Matador, Ill Will and some
figadapaura
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Hunter jump makes you far more agile, particularly good in close quarters. Titans and Warlocks spend far too much time floating around.
This makes no sense.
Only advantage with Hunter jump is that they can increase height after decreasing. Warlocks jump accelerate them in any direction. Catapult comes close, but not quite. The glide is just so much more versatile when you get used to how the timing of the second jump affects the horizontal trajectory. The longer you wait, the more "forward" you go versus up - and keeping the glide activated is not how to use it effectively 90% of the time unless you're going for a really high jump. Gotta space the timing and deactivate the jump at the right time with a third jump press to preserve momentum. Glide let's you ski jump. It works completely backwards to the Titan and Hunter jumps so most people are just terrible with it. It's all about the triple tap and bumper jumper with glide
This makes no sense.
Twilight Gap
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you're on jumper now. if you're playing a warlock, triple tap the jump while you're running forward. it gives you a boost of forward momentum because you're cancelling the glide right after doing it. the titans are much faster though. in fact, titans are actually the fastest class in the game.
MrGreencastle
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I guess it depends on the circumstance, I find I'm much more effective in the air with my Warlock than with my Hunter's bunny hop. But I can see where something with the Icarus perk would really make Hunter hop shine.
For me, I would rate them like this, based on my experience running all 3 classes with bumper jumper controls:
PvP
Hunter hop
Warlock glide w/ focus burst
Titan jetpack w/ catapult
Warlock blink
Hunter blink
PvE
Warlock glide w/ focus burst
Titan jetpack w/ lift
Hunter hop
Warlock blink
Hunter blink
It makes sense, but it's really hard to explain. You need to cancel glide after activating it with focus burst. Then as soon as you hit the ground jump, activate and cancel again to keep increasing momentum. The shorter time on the ground, the faster you can stack the focus burst - and if you move left, right, or backward before glide canceling, you will "push" yourself in the direction while accelerating. You can really get it so you can turn on a dime at really high speeds considering minimum agility stat and maxed armour and recovery. Catapult Titan can do something similar, actually twice per jump if timed correctly, so they can move around faster. Less total activations per jump compared to glide though.
Twilight Gap
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i'd put titans above warlocks in both lists. hunter blink is also better than warlock blink because hunters have quickdraw for weapon readiness.
jumper is definitely the way to go though.
Im sorry I had to leave! Good luck!
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figadapaura
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Oh sure, I've done that before. The ski jump part threw me off.
MrGreencastle
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I forgot about the quickdraw. Maybe it's placebo, and I really am not a fan of blink because of the dumb cooldown, but I've always found the Warlock's blink can cover greater distance compared to the Hunter. Again, I rarely use it, so that's why I placed both so low.
More like mini ski jumping. Nothing like Tribes lol.
The Mango Sentinel
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I think vision of Confluence is a normal mode drop, unless it can drop on both. Not sure about the foil.
That's it.
I've cracked.
I now devote my life to the art of gittin' gud.
Switched my pad over to bumper jumper, equipped my last word and stuck catapult on. 1+-ish kd is no longer good enough.
Lord Shaxx, my soul is yours.
Fucking fucking fucking trials.
(EDIT: I love trials its made pvp actually worth getting good at with the competetive format)
I've cracked.
I now devote my life to the art of gittin' gud.
Switched my pad over to bumper jumper, equipped my last word and stuck catapult on. 1+-ish kd is no longer good enough.
Lord Shaxx, my soul is yours.
Fucking fucking fucking trials.
(EDIT: I love trials its made pvp actually worth getting good at with the competetive format)
Twilight Gap
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you're generally right though. hunter jump is the best if you're using a hand cannon (the last word in particular). if you aren't, then there's no reason for you to be jumping all over the place anyway.
I think you're right about vision but I'm pretty sure foil is just on hard mode, could try to blast through a normal mode too but figured most people would want hard mode for the challenge. Haven't done a good ole VOG run in a while..
figadapaura
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Twilight Gap
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welp farmed exclusion zone for 20 mintues
then i realized i could just cash in shards with the speaker to make bank
but now i'm out of weapon parts again so i have to go ALL THE WAY TO THE REEF and buy fusion rifles so i can get weapon parts
and then i have to use shards to get glimmer again since i'll be broke
AND THEN I'LL BE OUT OF SHARDS
all this for one blasted sniper that probably wont even be better than my stock LDR
then i realized i could just cash in shards with the speaker to make bank
but now i'm out of weapon parts again so i have to go ALL THE WAY TO THE REEF and buy fusion rifles so i can get weapon parts
and then i have to use shards to get glimmer again since i'll be broke
AND THEN I'LL BE OUT OF SHARDS
all this for one blasted sniper that probably wont even be better than my stock LDR
PrivateWHudson
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I think it's something like short gaze, hh, injection molding, unflinching. Mine has the first two, and some tier two middle row perks... snap shot and hand laid, I think there is another quick aim perk that may be a high tier two. Anything other than unflinching in the third would mostly be settling.
Edit: listen to zoba, not me.
Edit 2: I may have performance bonus as the last perk. I guess it's clown but only after a kill. I wonder if the proc rate is better since I have to work for it.
Twilight Gap
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MrGreencastle
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Ack, I can't get the hang of Last Word at all. I'm partial to Thorn's range and cheap ass burn tactics
I've been using solely Hand Cannons since I got my first drop in the beta. I guess my play style is more suited to Warlock than anything, which is weird, because I have never really settle on a build I absolutely love and am always changing things around.
grimlock33
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Someone told him already, right?
And not even 1 invite
Don't put so much pressure on yourself guy. Plus we got IB this week.
down 2 orth
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Would this be a viable alternative to Hawkmoon (cuz I don't have that yet)?
Comes with Final Round, Smallbore, Luck in the Chamber.
HidingMyThunder
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Anybody interested in some ToO? I was on earlier in the afternoon and didn't fair too well...
Edit: I'm curious to see what the evening will bring.
Edit: I'm curious to see what the evening will bring.
17 Seconds
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Warlock glide just feels unresponsive and slow compared to the Titan lift with directional control
After watching you snipe on your stream I spent 100s of motes and weapon parts rolling a low grade humility. Got ambush, hidden hand, hand laid stock, unflinching. I've never sniped in PVP before. But I'm going to give it a shot. I don't have the resources to try for shortgaze
.xplicitone
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Someone told him already, right?
And not even 1 invite
I'm just going to farm daily Crucible just to get passage coins so when I do attempt it again, it won't feel as bad.
PrivateWHudson
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Someone told him already, right?
And not even 1 invite
IB will be fantastic if e-light is the reward and they make good on the promise to have alts level faster.
Orthogonal
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There's no way Bungie balanced the Qodeos fight. Without a Titan, it is significantly harder than Urrox.
Urrox could reasonably be taken down with 3x 33's, but Qodros is a slog with 3x34s.
Not fun, not worth it.
Urrox could reasonably be taken down with 3x 33's, but Qodros is a slog with 3x34s.
Not fun, not worth it.
MrGreencastle
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Because the jump is terrible if you keep it activated too long. It doesn't work well as a Titan lift replacement. Better to go in straight lines with focused burst - the faster the second tap after the first, the greater the angle of the jump, the more vertical you'll go versus forward. The slower the second tap after the first, the lower the angle, and the more horizontal the jump. Third tap deactivates the glide while preserving forward momentum. If you keep it activate you just float around like you're in molasses and that's where people go wrong with it. It'll give you the greatest airtime, though, which is useful in a few circumstances like Urrox little lava floor attack.
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