Yep, HC are incredibly fun to use and one of the reasons I love the PVP.
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Destiny |OT23| This Train is Bound for Mercury
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Yep, HC are incredibly fun to use and one of the reasons I love the PVP.
neoism
Member
yup should have never took the 9.5% dam i think it was away ...smfh bungle... the primary slot is soo unbalanced...
I'd be in for Skolas, I had to leave before we took him down last night. Came pretty close and I just rolled my Queen's sniper to void to get some more damage instead of Praedyths. I guess we'd need one more with a good void sniper.
MagnetoWasRight
Member
I have never forwarded any ports and mine works perfectly from anywhere I've tried. I suggest giving it a go from some remote location before assuming that it'll work when you're gone.
Indeed it is! I got my second one from the Gamestop $40 sale, but's $40 at BB right now until they sell out.
SenatorBot
Member
Anyone got a spot in an IB train?
Also would anyone like to do POE 35 in about an hour?
I need to carry a friend so 365 void sniper would be pretty nice if you can.
Also would anyone like to do POE 35 in about an hour?
I need to carry a friend so 365 void sniper would be pretty nice if you can.
I will do Skolas. I have a 365 Void LDR with Final Round and 300 Corrective Measure.
We may need a third since it looks like Marvel is doing IB.
Join on me... Same for all
Marvel
could never
I'd be down for that after some IB. Gotta hit rank 3
Collateral22
Member
I'd be down for IB, charging my mic atm though, PSN CollateralCat-.
Very cool! Had a BB gift card from Christmas I had yet to use, so I just ordered a Vita TV for $5. If nothing else it's a good backup if my OLED bites the dust. I would guess Vita will be pretty hard to come by in the years ahead.
It was a tie game until I went on a little run here, this was my first match of the day:
https://youtu.be/ftADEJ4cP0A?t=17s
Bladedancers shouldn't be given blessing of light
https://youtu.be/ftADEJ4cP0A?t=17s
Bladedancers shouldn't be given blessing of light
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I'm up for IB psn is TheMostHumanAI
If you don't mind me asking, which MG would that be? So I know to look out for it... Thanks!
Twilight Gap
Member
TacticalFailure
Neo Member
Don't feel too bad, I think I pulled up the rear in every match last night. Worst I have played in PVP in any game in quite a while. played some solo after and worked on changing my routes around the maps (learning the maps) and had completely different results.
I boil it down to trying to do too much, and putting myself in horrible situations which ended up hurting the team. Lesson learned for sure.
So I'm heading to prison.
Ghost: I did warned you.
Shut it you! I wasn't talking to you! Anyway, as I previously mentioned, I'm heading to prison. Apparently breaking into the Queen's chamber is against the rules. Who knew?
Ghost: I did and so did everyone else.
Go back to Game of Thrones dammit! Back on the matter at hand, I need a lawyer. Two of them in fact. So I'm sending this message to all available Guardians out there. Please help me! I don't wanna go to prison! I'm too young!
Ghost: and not that smart either.
I hope you die in Game of Thrones, Tyrion. Ignoring the jerk bot over there, I need to defeat this giant servitor thing to get pardoned. They're sending me to this Arena Level 34 is what they call it.
So uh, anyone wants to go face the Machine's Wrath? I got a Gjallarhorn.
And candy. Lots and lots of sweet delicious candy.
Ghost: Good job, you just drove them away.
I hate you.
Ghost: I did warned you.
Shut it you! I wasn't talking to you! Anyway, as I previously mentioned, I'm heading to prison. Apparently breaking into the Queen's chamber is against the rules. Who knew?
Ghost: I did and so did everyone else.
Go back to Game of Thrones dammit! Back on the matter at hand, I need a lawyer. Two of them in fact. So I'm sending this message to all available Guardians out there. Please help me! I don't wanna go to prison! I'm too young!
Ghost: and not that smart either.
I hope you die in Game of Thrones, Tyrion. Ignoring the jerk bot over there, I need to defeat this giant servitor thing to get pardoned. They're sending me to this Arena Level 34 is what they call it.
So uh, anyone wants to go face the Machine's Wrath? I got a Gjallarhorn.
And candy. Lots and lots of sweet delicious candy.
Ghost: Good job, you just drove them away.
I hate you.
This is what happens when the game lacks a story! You end up making your own. In mine, the Ghost and I have a love-hate relationship. So uh, PoE 34 anyone?
Flying Toaster
Member
For those that have suffered with me through PVP we all know I am a bit bad.
Last game though. 4.33 K/D
I am like the little engine that could.
Last game though. 4.33 K/D
I am like the little engine that could.
"The Brave Little (Flying) Toaster"
El_Fenomeno
Member
How much room you have?
So I'm heading to prison.
Ghost: I did warned you.
Shut it you! I wasn't talking to you! Anyway, as I previously mentioned, I'm heading to prison. Apparently breaking into the Queen's chamber is against the rules. Who knew?
Ghost: I did and so did everyone else.
Go back to Game of Thrones dammit! Back on the matter at hand, I need a lawyer. Two of them to be in fact. So I'm sending this message to all available Guardians out there. Please help me! I don't wanna go to prison! I'm too young!
Ghost: and not that smart either.
I hope you die in Game of Thrones, Tyrion. Ignoring the jerk bot over there, I need to defeat this giant servitor thing to get pardoned. They're sending me to this Arena Level 34 is what they call it.
So uh, anyone wants to go face the Machine's Wrath? I got a Gjallarhorn.
And candy. Lots and lots of sweet delicious candy.
Ghost: Good job, you just drove them away.
I hate you.
This is what happens when the game lacks a story! You end up making your own. In mine, the Ghost and I have a love-hate relationship. So uh, PoE 34 anyone?
Ok do the 34... when you get to round five kill the boss and don't leave the area... as long as your whole fire team dies before leaving the area or get summoned by Variks then you wipe and you have to fight the boss again... kill the boss three times and you've got your bounty done. At least that worked last week before the last patch. Or do the 34 twice.
People are right that there is no weapon variety. I'm not really the type to call for nerfs, but there's obviously some tweaking to be down.
Thorn in particular. It's great at range and can best snipers. Up close I lost a couple battles with TLW which were very surprising. Midrange it outclasses everything except perhaps Hawkmoon or Vex? On top of all that it ticks down your opponents health AND messes up their screen. It's just a bit too much IMO.
I've gotten pretty skilled with TLW, but if you're equipping TLW, there is basically a range that you can't fight at and it has a higher skill floor. Not the case with the other HCs.
Thorn in particular. It's great at range and can best snipers. Up close I lost a couple battles with TLW which were very surprising. Midrange it outclasses everything except perhaps Hawkmoon or Vex? On top of all that it ticks down your opponents health AND messes up their screen. It's just a bit too much IMO.
I've gotten pretty skilled with TLW, but if you're equipping TLW, there is basically a range that you can't fight at and it has a higher skill floor. Not the case with the other HCs.
Variks didn't call for me. I just have to do my final PoE 34 run of the week.
This is pretty cool.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
I feel your pain.
Twilight Gap
Member
I love that about Destiny too, but shotguns are creeping up as the number one weapons and it doesn't make much sense.
IMO the weapon tier should be as follows
- Hand Cannons
- Scout Rifles
- Pulse Rifles
- Auto Rifles
The top should be the most difficult to use but have the fastest optimal TTK. The bottom should be the easiest to use but have the lowest optimal TTK. Mastering Pulse Rifles will make you better than an Auto Rifle user; mastering Scout Rifles will make you better than a Pulse Rifle user; mastering Hand Cannons will make you better than a Scout Rifle user. In theory, this might lead people to choose Hand Cannons to be on top of the food chain, but not everyone will find success with them. Being good with a Hand Cannon means a lot more than outDPSing the other classes; if you miss a shot in long range or close range, the other weapons are going to shred you to pieces.
I feel the same about the special weapons.
- Sniper Rifles
- Fusion Rifles
- Shotguns
Shotguns are stupid easy to use right now and some people are able to run around with them the whole game with no consequence. That to me is indicative of a serious design flaw and it has little to do with how ammo is distributed.
- Risk vs Reward
- Skill = Time Investment
- Ease of Use = Payoff
- Balance = Tradeoffs vs Benefits
Bungie doesn't seem very keen on these concepts, or maybe they're conscious of them and have chosen to ignore them.
Dave_6
Member
BTRD-345
Thanks! I tried to provide some context for it a few posts down by saying all this is only true if Bungie intends to walk the walk about defined roles for weapons.
If they want to go bonkers and have some weapons/perks make classes of weapons viable at... nontraditional effective ranges, they should just go all out. Trying to do both things will only result in neither of them being good.
Got my first. Aggressive, Battle Runner, Armor Piercing, Crowd Control.
Pretty optimal aside from Battle Runner, but good enough to not reroll, I think.
EL CUCO
Member
Dat feel, I know it
Da fuk is that ?
Agent_Tiro
Member
In my opinion Thorn needs a slight nerf. The buff it received was a lot more than it needed. I would probably go with a slight damage drop off at longer range (so that 2 headshots and burn don't kill but seriously hurt) or reduce the aim assist. Very first time I picked Thorn up I was shocked at how much pull the cross hairs had.
TLW just needs the crit ads glitch fixing. Other than that I feel it is exactly where it is.
Hawkmoon is fine as it is. It is pure rng on if you get the uber rounds fired your way and it has enough flaws for it to not be too op.
AR need a damage buff to somewhere between where they are now (in the gutter) and where they were before the nerf.
Shotguns and fusion are fine as is. Control the maps special ammo and anyone who runs them as primary is soon caught short. Get too close to them and you deserve to be ohko. Yes the range on them can be ridiculous sometimes. But the ROF on them compensates. They have to hit you first time or they lose.
Vex (my go to gun for pvp pre latest patch) probably needs a bit of a drop off in damage at longer range. I shouldn't be consistently out shooting scouts / pulse rifle at long range. Other than that I think it's fine.
Snipers and heavy seem spot on imo.
TLW just needs the crit ads glitch fixing. Other than that I feel it is exactly where it is.
Hawkmoon is fine as it is. It is pure rng on if you get the uber rounds fired your way and it has enough flaws for it to not be too op.
AR need a damage buff to somewhere between where they are now (in the gutter) and where they were before the nerf.
Shotguns and fusion are fine as is. Control the maps special ammo and anyone who runs them as primary is soon caught short. Get too close to them and you deserve to be ohko. Yes the range on them can be ridiculous sometimes. But the ROF on them compensates. They have to hit you first time or they lose.
Vex (my go to gun for pvp pre latest patch) probably needs a bit of a drop off in damage at longer range. I shouldn't be consistently out shooting scouts / pulse rifle at long range. Other than that I think it's fine.
Snipers and heavy seem spot on imo.
DrDrizzay101
Member
Lol holy shit that was funny. The best part was you let me and Unstable debate strategies for like 3 minutes on why the first run didn't work. Then you chimed in with "yeah, I had a shotgun equipped instead of a sniper." And suddenly we understood how the servitor died so quickly.
Much appreciated, will keep my eyes peeled for it
Dave_6
Member
Mine has Spray and Play, Armor Piercing, Injection Mold and Feeding Frenzy. I'd at least like to have Crowd Control rather than two reload perks.
The only hand cannons that defy this are the exotic ones, which in my opinion don't need/want a nerf. They're exotics for a reason and if you nerf them then they'll just like another legendary HC but using up your exotic slot. I'm pretty sure that when Hawkmoon goes on xur sale people will start bitching about how unfair it is to be killed by a single shot.
SkylineRKR
Member
Using Thorn this IB. Bored of it lol. I don't really like how it shoots and getting DoT kills becomes stale.
I noticed how little Red Deaths I see. Its mainly Vex, Thorn, TLW, Hawkmoon and some bad jujus.
My main problem is I don't like different power tiers at spawn. Just stupid and at some point there's no reason to run anything but hand cannons (i.e. TLW)
Agent_Tiro
Member
I have one of those that dropped with aggressive ballistics,smart drift control and soft ballistics.
Battle runner and crowd control as the individual perks.
Armour piercing, snapshot and casket mag.
It's void currently and I can't decide whether to reroll or not. Casket mag only adds a few rounds and the stability is already ridiculous that I don't need any of those perks. But I can't think what else would improve it. It's amazing in pvp and pve
Haven't seen anyone else looking, may not happen.
Kor of Memory
Member
He actually had a delivery for me today.
Now I just have to play like, way more PoE than I want to.
rasengan1337
Member
no worries. i'm using DE packages to level my new spear quickly so i can use an EL and get it to 365. if you can't run with us, then i don't mind waiting for Hawkian, either. learning lots by playing with him
I now have four Matador, two Party Crashers, and a Judgment and all have Aggressive, Shot Package, Rifled, and various last perks. A couple in every element.
My two Felwinter's (one old, one new) are just sitting in the vault.
Any reason to waste motes on those? I feel like the Matador has it beat in most instances.
My two Felwinter's (one old, one new) are just sitting in the vault.
Any reason to waste motes on those? I feel like the Matador has it beat in most instances.
"Exotic" loses its meaning when 10/12 people in an IB match are running them, though.
- TLW has been sold 4 times; twice in the last two months.
- Thorn has a ~50% chance of showing up in the exotic weapon bounty and isn't THAT hard to clear (I did it without a void primary and am not a "good" PVP player). If a player isn't playing enough to get the 2-3 exotic weapon bounties it might take for the Thorn one to come up, they probably aren't at a light or skill level that would make them show up in PVP matches we're basically all playing in.
- Hawkmoon is the rarest, but, ironically, it's the least OP of the trio.
Even if the prevalence of the HCs in question were low enough to warrant the 'it's an exotic!" defense, just because someone won the RNG lottery doesn't mean they should have a significant advantage in an ostensibly "competitive" PVP mode.
Again, this is all if Bungie wants PVP to be competitive, and not a mindless fuck-around mode (which I don't mean as disparagingly as that might come off).