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Destiny |OT24| Dances with Wolves
- Thread starter DrDrizzay101
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That's crazy. Gjallarhorn does less than twice the damage of HoC, it's about 1.5x. I really don't understand how people think it is a problem.
The weapon itself is good. Some encounters are just poorly designed like Solar burn Skolas. In practical use, having or not having a Gjallarhorn is only really relevant if you want to solo Raid content. It's otherwise the best RL sure but not by a large enough margin to warrant all the attention it does in my opinion.
silver.tongue
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It'd never happen, but I think instead of having them let us "ascend" old legendaries to new values, I'd rather see them introduce new tiers of existing raids (i.e. a level 40 Vault of Glass) where the upgraded versions drop.
They gotta find a balance between what they did with TDB where everyone spent months grinding materials to get 32/upgrade exotics and the new weapons, and HoW where just over a month in I'm 34 on every character, have most every weapon I want upgraded done, and now have a surplus of etheric light.
They gotta find a balance between what they did with TDB where everyone spent months grinding materials to get 32/upgrade exotics and the new weapons, and HoW where just over a month in I'm 34 on every character, have most every weapon I want upgraded done, and now have a surplus of etheric light.
EL CUCO
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Word. If you land 1 shot, you're landing 4 more with it.
silver.tongue
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Found veredict is better (just as good) for most situations tho and frees the exotic slot.
4th is not bad. Not what I would call top tier either. Dragon's Breath would be bad even if it were Legendary. Necrochasm (sorry Nami) has to be a Bungie joke were not in on because seriously it's beyond bad. And NLB is a cool concept but it's an impractical weapon 99% of the player base won't take the time to learn how to use. Having to glitch the reload animation by sprint canceling is not really a feature you want in a weapon, much less a primary.
Too slow. What do I need the exotic slot for when I'm rapidly auto-shotting things in the face?
You can't headshot with it from 30 ft away so probably not. I don't think I've tried it in PVP.
I have that but it's been collecting dust in the vault. Is it actually good for PVP compared to the other recent shotties?
the same argument could probably be made for any exotic in the game. there's always a "pretty close for most stuff" legendary that frees up the exotic slot. that really isn't the point, is it?
silver.tongue
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Awful range. That's a PVE gun.
What's the closest you will get to a Gjahllarhorn? Or even a Thunderlord?
That's true now that you mention it. There are also a ton of good scout rifles although they don't differentiate themselves that much. My two current favorites to play around with are NL Shadow with Full Auto and Firefly and a One/One Synesthete with Full Auto and Crowd Control (didn't even know this could roll on a scout and it is awesome for trash mobs).
Are they objectively better or competitive with the raid weapons, particularly VoG. Probably not.
MrAnderson
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I'm in the corner of not letting any old weapons get upgraded in year 2. It's bungie's job to make exciting things for us to want to get. I don't want to be on destiny 5 still rocking the horn.
We xbox peasants don't know it yet.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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figadapaura
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If my shadow rolled with solar I might have deleted my voc. It shoots so fast it's almost an auto rifle! Full auto and third eye on mine
The problem is that both times Bungie released end-game content that was made way easier by people having a Horn, namely Crota and solar burn Skolas. This helped forged the "reputation" of the Horn even more, and led to all the "must have horn" lfg posts.
I don't care whether or not Bungie decides to nerf it, but they have to stop attributing health points and designing dps requirements around people all having one...
4th Horseman shines in PoE against fallen enemies. Those captains and servitors literally melt before it. Plus it's great for when you have to kill the targets too.
Found Verdict is decent but I personally opt for the 4th Horseman for PVE.
Fel Winter / Matador for PVP.
If you don't work for Bungie then I fail to see how you can guarantee that. And I don't believe it either.
WheelHoss1
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I dismantled a bunch of exotics this weekend :O
If they buff auto rifles someday, guess I'm fucked. Oh well!!!
iRAWRasaurus
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I believe the true issue is the lack of ideas for exotic weapons..The "expansions" both have lack lust exotic weapons. A few good exotic armors.
Hawkian speaketh the truth.
The main problem is that it's not a Ghorn.
I'm not a scumbag! Titan got to do what a Titan got to do.
Where am I? In twitch chat?
For PvE? 4th Horseman is basically an instant kill machine, even for high yellow bar enemies in PoE. 5-7 shots in one second solves a lot of problems. It's probably my most used exotic.
What?
That's a huge mistake to make...
noomi
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It's beautiful!
Jinjo
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Preach it.
In pure DPS potential it might outclass the Gjallarhorn. It's just that all these bosses have annoying AoE melee attacks when you get too close -_-'
figadapaura
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I just got a treasure key after completing only one queen's bounty.
Forerunner
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How needs Hawkmoon when you got Thorns and TLWs!
Yeah it's pretty damn nice. Weirdly the fact that you can now roll full auto on the scout of your choice means they have basically taken the place of assault rifles since those suck so much.
Feels like alot of the scouts in this game (edit: really this expansion) are very similar though, and all fairly competent. They all fall in the range between 'pretty good' and 'almost as great as Voc', depending on the specific weapon and perks.
Blessing package?
That's usually how it is now per character per week.
On level 35 it's better to keep your distance and fire Ghorns. Getting up close to a level 35 yellow bar capital is a bad idea unless their one shot away from death.
Strangelove77
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So are some of the sniper rifles that you can't reforge better than something like a perfectly reforged Low Grade Humility or Her Benevolence?
Id like to use the sniper from trials, but I have an almost perfectly rolled Humility and Benevolence. Im a medicore sniper, so I need all the help I can get.
Id like to use the sniper from trials, but I have an almost perfectly rolled Humility and Benevolence. Im a medicore sniper, so I need all the help I can get.
EL CUCO
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Vault of Glass:
Pulse Rifle: Garbage
Rocket Launcher: meh (no tracking OR proximity so neither PvE nor PvP focused)
Machine Gun: great, not special. Exactly the same as M18 Harm's Way
Fusion Rifle: insane impact. Comparable to PoE fusion, they are very similar
Sniper: I love it for its RoF and perfect stability. Really low Aim Assist and impact. Overall still good though there's probably better options for most encounters
Auto Rifle: pea shooter. Still MVP on Oracles though. Trash for everything else.
Scout: Vision is fantastic but its main appeal was that Auto Fire was exclusive to it. Now you can roll that elsewhere..
The only stuff that really stands out above the competition are Found Verdict and Fatebringner.
FV because it has the same range as a perfect roll Matador. No shot package, but auto fire with 6 rounds and great stability, RoF and reload speed. Hard to beat this one.
Fatebringer because Firefly is insane on a HC. Firefly on a Scout doesn't feel the same because you don't one shot most enemies. A 365 Fatebringer lets you literally clear a mob with one bullet. No other primary gives you this power. One bullet, 8 Thralls down? Insane.
Maybe it'll lose the throne though. HoW brought Auto Fire to the Scout perk table. I think TTK will bring Firefly to the HC table and then we'll see Fatebringer lose its special place as the best primary in the game.
Even so, we took Shank burn and impulsively gave HoW a "bad weapons" connotation despite it having brought the best option for most weapon classes in the game.
DrDrizzay101
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Yeah, great games guys, that one match was one of the best Trials games I've been a part of (gotta go back and watch the video!). We were really pushing the limits of the "connection quality MM" with a 3-continent fire team, lol. And we had the yellow and red bars to prove it, more consistently bad connections than I've ever seen in ToO.
P.S. Sorry for the occasional rage-out, hopefully everyone knows not to take it too seriously
Sometimes I just get super frustrated w myself for making bad plays (or for laggy nonsense).MrAnderson
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I agree with you 100%. If TTK is supposed to have half the content of Vanilla destiny then we should at least get a decent amount of new exotics, but chances of most of them being g useless are high...just like most exotics anyway. I feel like an easy way to make eotics really shine is to make them all have entirely unique perks instead of just one unique perk.
When I need to equip a different exotic, I swap over to my Dreamwaker with tripod/tracking. It's not a 'horn, but it's adequate for most content.
As far as Thunderlord, I've got a Sawtooth Oscillator that rolled with counter balance and feeding frenzy that I use right now.. I've got a BTRD-345 that I'm trying to re-roll with counterbalance and rangefinder as well.
Again.. neither are necessarily as good or better than their exotic counterpart, but more than adequate for most content.
figadapaura
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Nope. At least I don't think so. I wasn't really paying attention.
I see how it is.
And it's really a shame PoE doesn't have an endless mode. That would be fun.
wesleyshark
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I miss the days when the Vex didn't spray wildly like a runaway firehose.
Captain_Cold
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What's up with trials? Down for maintenance?
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