Noisepurge
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Always expect destiny downtime to be 4 hours long
be pleasantly suprised if it is actually shorter!
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Destiny |OT24| Dances with Wolves
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Always expect destiny downtime to be 4 hours long
be pleasantly suprised if it is actually shorter!
MrGreencastle
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Or maybe we just don't go flawless instantly with every passage?
It takes us a few tries.
Say we have a streak of 6 wins on our first passage and then lose 2 games (that happens often with us when we choke). That's 9 coins for the first passage, and then another 9 for the second trying to go flawless. Before, we could use the coins we received from last week's Mercury chest to try again. This is just increasing the amount of grinding we have to do.
I don't play crucible. I'm a PvE player that comes for Trials and Iron Banner. This is doing nothing but increasing the amount of grinding I have to do for coins. It's dumb.
Jest Chillin
Member
Actually it depends on the drop rate of coins from losses. You could end up getting coins at the same or possibly greater rate from losing in Trials depending on what they set it at.
wesleyshark
Banned
More than likely, given my census amongst friends I play with. Those of us who win a lot and have been to the Lighthouse have plenty of coins, but my friends who don't win a lot of games rarely have enough coins for one single card.
I'd be down for both, shouldn't have any trouble getting home by then. Haven't done CE before though if that's okay
Great, I think we'll start with VoG and then move onto CE for those who want to stick around.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
But it doesn't make sense from a design point.
Winners are going to get to mercury with or without the boons. Losers require those boons. Those are 2 sides of the coin. What about the people in the middle who sometimes need to get lucky to win, who need the boon as a safety net because they're not as good to win 9 in a row?
It's a baffling change. If coins were finite I could understand the change, but they're not. If person A has 90 coins stocked up, and person B has 0 coins because they can't win, so you take away the reward of coins, the only person who's going to be hurt by this is person C who has 7 coins and needs to grind out coins in order to try their best to get to Mercury.
That'd be a first.
"LF 2 to have losing streaks in Trials in order to farm coins."
You are exactly right. This is not some finite resource. You don't have to take from one and give to the other. Just buff the drop rate across the board and be done with it.
Shouldn't be a problem. CE is cake now that everyone is 33/34
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Slammin_Hammon
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Sounds good to me. I'll take some free wins. I need them lol.
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Welcome to Destiny
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Maybe there is a new PvP "amount of hours per day played" metric Bungie is going to publicize soon.
Jest Chillin
Member
You would have a chance to get some coins from your losses on your non-flawless run.. and you would get coins from the vendor when you turn in your 6 wins card and get the Bronze, Silver, Gold whatchamacallits.
Yep. Not a bad idea, actually. Just Nechrochasm the whole thing and have some fun while at it.
Kor of Memory
Member
I'd say this is a hard thing to argue for the time being. The few tries it takes you means you're losing matches, and we don't yet know how generous the coins are for losing. The amount you get for a loss might negate this whole argument.
noomi
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MrGreencastle
Member
My team goes "6-0" after spending 9 coins on buffs. Then we lose 2 matches and we're out. Last week, we'd have 9 coins from that Mercury chest to try another passage for the 9-0 (actually 7-1, with the boons). Now we get no coins from the mercury chest because blah, and a "chance" at more coins for those 2 losses (are we getting 9? Probably not).
True. But I'm highly doubting I'm going to get 9 coins guaranteed from those 2 losses in my above example. It's just going to increase the amount of grinding my group would need to do before buying the insurance boons and what not. I guess we'll have to see. Too bad Bungie doesn't explain their reasoning in patches ever.
EJRobinson90
Member
Bitsurugi for president! Totally agree.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
And what if he ends up going through 3 passages and still doesn't get to Mercury? No more coins from packages, he's low on coins, his only option is to hop into another character and sacrifice that toons coins, or grind out PvP for the *hope* of getting coins.
Or going on a losing streak at Trials(Which I mean...the coins aren't guaranteed to drop. It'll probably be a low chance.) And who the hell wants to go on losing streaks?
wesleyshark
Banned
Tomorrow: Deejgate
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Makes sense to me. Now if only the 100 or so trials coins I'm going to accumulate this weekend would actually help me get better at trials.
mcz117chief
Member
Looking for more people to play Vault of Glass on normal.
1) mcz117chief (psn mcz2345)
2) CREMSteve
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4) jayforone HM VOG
5) mil6es
6) Kojirospath
1) mcz117chief (psn mcz2345)
2) CREMSteve
3)
4) jayforone HM VOG
5) mil6es
6) Kojirospath
This will mostly depend from the drop rate and the ammount on loosing matches. I hope they made a system, where the more you play, the more you get, so there is no instance, where you can't buy buffs for new retries.
But then again, why even need the coins in such a system anyway... thus see my point a page or so back, they should just remove coins. ToO is fun. I am loving it. Don't need anything, but i would love more and more ppl to play it, not just super tryhards. We'll see tomorrow how it is, ALSO:
might see ppl farming for coins; buy ticket for 100 glimmer, buy no buffs, play drunk, loose here and there... at the end of the day, you got lots of coins
Well that's the thing.
Losers get more coins.
Winners don't need them.
So-so players like us will make coins as we progress on our tickets via reward packages. Then when we lose, we also get coins.
I don't think losing coins from the chest will make a big difference.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I await to see that. Bungie will have hit 4 out of 4 in the doomsday prophecy and the community will explode.
Tomorrow I'm awaiting to see what is said. I'm considering cancelling my TTK preorder over this bullshit.
IF coin drop rates are 100% for losers. Knowing Bungie, they won't be. So it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
This grind punishes so-so players. There is no if or buts about it. Winners don't need them, so why do you care whether they get more coins or they don't?
No reason AT ALL to force a grind on players. No reason to take it out, it's stupid.
As someone who has never been to Mercury I have a hard time sympathizing with people who have and may now have a more difficult time getting back there.
I think it would be interesting if this patch also included a change where Mercury can only be reached from a legit 9-0 card. No passages. That's probably taking it way too far.
I think it would be interesting if this patch also included a change where Mercury can only be reached from a legit 9-0 card. No passages. That's probably taking it way too far.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It'd be interesting in that Bungie is punishing all the players who don't have perfect teams or someone who can go 9-0 without boons. It'd be another stupid change.
Packages only give you 8 coins total. A flawless l33t 9-0 player will be down 1 coin each time (assuming he/she uses them). If there's a hiccup, which can happen to anyone and the card has to be restarted, then that player is now down 10 coins, assuming purchase of all 3 boons.
It's punishing.
Kor of Memory
Member
MrGreencastle
Member
This will mostly depend from the drop rate and the ammount on loosing matches. I hope they made a system, where the more you play, the more you get, so there is no instance, where you can't buy buffs for new retries.
But then again, why even need the coins in such a system anyway... thus see my point a page or so back, they should just remove coins. ToO is fun. I am loving it. Don't need anything, but i would love more and more ppl to play it, not just super tryhards. We'll see tomorrow how it is, ALSO:
might see ppl farming for coins; buy ticket for 100 glimmer, buy no buffs, play drunk, loose here and there... at the end of the day, you got lots of coins
This is a much better solution. Just remove them all together. They make no sense and are just another currency to grind over. And now the grind is even higher.
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Woohoo Bungie!
Robdraggoo
Member
my god, what have they done. This week, after a pretty awesome takne king reveal just seems to be one mistep after the other. they cant seem to please anybody. I dont get it
What is happening at naught.... I mean Bungie
What is happening at naught.... I mean Bungie
wesleyshark
Banned
Count me in! Gt: Wesley S Shark
How big is this community of angry gamers exactly?
MrChowderClams
Member
Friggin love this Y09 Longbow. Works like magic. Now I just need to get a good matador roll...
Kojirospath
Member
I'm up for it if the game gets back up in the next 30 minutes. You mean to start right away right?Looking for more people to play Vault of Glass on normal.
1) mcz117chief (psn mcz2345)
2) CREMSteve
3)
4) jayforone HM VOG
5)
6)
Just another item taking up inventory space. Boo.
I only have one character (just started on PS4 last week after months of XBO) and I'm looking to do both raids tonight to increase my chances of getting top tier guns for PoE purposes (includes Fatebringer, VoC, and Black Hammer).
Looking for more people to play Vault of Glass on normal.
1) mcz117chief (psn mcz2345)
2) CREMSteve
3)
4) jayforone HM VOG
5)
6)
I'm in if I can join? Lvl 25 so not sure if I'm a high enough level
wesleyshark
Banned
That's ridiculous and you must be a Bungie shill. Without coins, how can we win?!
silver.tongue
Member
Forgot Emotegate.
AmateurHour212
Member
When is the iron banner coming back? I need a felwinters or other similar shotgun ASAP.
Flawless*
I understand where everyone is coming from but I can't get behind descriptions like "punishment." This is as clichéd as "entitlement." Regardless, this is a bad change to make now since it is taking something away (and that timing). It would be different if it was like this from the beginning.
There was no 'forgive-a-death' for Flawless Raider and all I have to show for it is this stupid trophy.
Jest Chillin
Member
Yup. A chance from the 3* losses as even if the loss doesn't count on the card, it would count for the loot roll post-match. In addition to the coins you get from the vendor for whatever loot you qualify for from him.
And what if he goes through 4 passages.. or 5 passages? You can keep cranking up the numbers on the amount of non-flawless runs. but eventually coins would run out anyways. The 9 coins really aren't that big a deal in the long run because one bad game and you'd need 9 more coins anyways.
I could understand if the coins were an entrance fee but they're not. They're buffs. That's it. Not at all mandatory and they do nothing to actually change performance in the matches.
Holy hell.
Play regular Crucible. .. Matadores and Party Crashers drop there frequently. I consider the Matador to be superior to the Felwinter's.
The point of alternate currencies in any MMO-style game is to maintain activity and push people toward certain content. The objective of Passage Coins is to get more people to at least do the Crucible daily, and hopefully play even more Crucible after that. That's something that can't be accomplished with just Glimmer. Also, if they were to change everything to use Glimmer, people would flock to the most efficient Glimmer farming method possible, decreasing the overall diversity of players' activity.
The key is to either have a slot for currencies that doesn't take up inventory space (i.e. Vanguard/Crucible Marks) or just give us more god damn inventory space.
The key is to either have a slot for currencies that doesn't take up inventory space (i.e. Vanguard/Crucible Marks) or just give us more god damn inventory space.
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